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[SlimySnake]

SlimySnake

Liar.

His own video shows the 2060 Super running at 1.815 and 1.83 ghz.

Instead he uses the advertised clocks for the 2060 Super which are 1.65 ghz to arrive at the 7.1 tflops number. When in fact at 1.83 Ghz, the tflops are 7.96 tflops.

7.1 2060S Tflops / 10.2 PS5 Tflops = 69%
7.9 2060S Tflops / 10.2 PS5 Tlfops = 77%

His results for 2060 Super are off by 8%. The 2070 Super and 2080 hit far higher than 1.8 Ghz. Up to 2.0 Ghz on my GPU at times. I will take some screenshots of different games on my RTX 2080 to show how it is DEFINITELY not 1.71 Ghz like nvidia advertised it as.

 

[Corndog]

It still amazes me how stout gen 9 consoles are, the gap was MASSIVE in gen 7 and gen 8, now, not so much. Obviously, someone is going to chime in with a (Insert whatever argument about the RTX 3090 demolishing Gen9 consoles).

They will be absolutely buried by the end of the year.

 

[Corndog]

At this point, It's impossible to believe he doesn't know he's being misleading. Cerny explicitly stated they designed PS5 under the assumption that AVX 256 code would be used very often. The majority of PS5 games will never see the GPU downclock from 2.23ghz.

Why not make this info publicly available for reviewers?

 

[Corndog]

On PC? Yes... there is.

Horizon Zero Dawn PC revisited: is it fully fixed?

With the announcement of more PlayStation exclusives coming to PC, starting with Days Gone this Spring, the time felt r…

www.eurogamer.net

But it had a lot of issues.

It’s not too bad. I had some weird lighting bugs in one area.

Edit: sorry about so many posts.

 

[Loxus]

Why not make this info publicly available for reviewers?

That info is in Road to PS5.

 

[SlimySnake]

They will be absolutely buried by the end of the year.

2 years later is expected though.

It still amazes me how stout gen 9 consoles are, the gap was MASSIVE in gen 7 and gen 8, now, not so much. Obviously, someone is going to chime in with a (Insert whatever argument about the RTX 3090 demolishing Gen9 consoles).

The 3090 equivalent in 2013 when last gen consoles launched was the GTX Titan which was like 2x more powerful than the PS4 before it even came out. We are seeing pretty much the same thing here with the 3090 especially in ray tracing games where its offering 2.5x more performance than the PS5XSX.

The PS4 and X1 were outclassed because of their shitty CPUs, but this time around AMD had their shit together and managed to put a badass CPU in a APU. Cerny went all super saiyan with the SSD to give the PS5 an edge even the PC doesnt have so overall its a much better package than last gen, but GPU wise I think both gens offered roughly the same.

 

[ChiefDada]

Why not make this info publicly available for reviewers?

He did. In Road to PS5. Where most if not all of the more prominent PS5 FUD was debunked before they even existed.

 

[Killer8]

Here is another comparison showing the difference in LOD: https://imgsli.com/MTAyMjc5

Note the large rock on the lower right, the number of small rocks in the mid distance, the lights by the road, as well as lower grass density in the foreground below Sam's chest.

Any differences in coloring, lighting and shadow position here are likely due to the dynamic cloud lighting, but the character position is identical.

 

[SlimySnake]

Took some screenshots of games running on my RTX 2080. All in the 1.95-1.98 range I double checked my MSI Afterburner settings to make sure I wasnt overclocking it and even had my Nvidia settings set to Optimal Power instead of Prefer Maximum Performance which should boost it above 2.0 Ghz. At 1.98 Ghz, this is a 11.6 tflops gpu. Not a 10.06 tflops gpu Alex claims it to be. Thats a difference of 15% he's missing here.

Cyberpunk

Control

Mafia

Elden Rings

Here is another video of several games running on a founders edition card Alex claims wont go above 1.7 ghz. Every single game runs at 1.935 Ghz or above.

 

[Bulletbrain]

Took some screenshots of games running on my RTX 2080. All in the 1.95-1.98 range I double checked my MSI Afterburner settings to make sure I wasnt overclocking it and even had my Nvidia settings set to Optimal Power instead of Prefer Maximum Performance which should boost it above 2.0 Ghz. At 1.98 Ghz, this is a 11.6 tflops gpu. Not a 10.06 tflops gpu Alex claims it to be. Thats a difference of 15% he's missing here.

This is quite normal Nvidia GPU behaviour. The actual boost clock can quite often exceed "rated" boost clock if there is power/temp headroom available (even without any over locking) I wonder if similar behaviour apply for PS5 as well (ie could be boosting above the quoted 2.3ghz) in certain scenarios. This variability highlights an inherent flaw in using TF calculations imo for PC GPU. Max theoretical TFs can vary a lot depending on your system cooling, ambient temp, power delivery etc.

 

[Rea]

This is quite normal Nvidia GPU behaviour. The actual boost clock can quite often exceed "rated" boost clock if there is power/temp headroom available (even without any over locking) I wonder if similar behaviour apply for PS5 as well (ie could be boosting above the quoted 2.3ghz) in certain scenarios. This variability highlights an inherent flaw in using TF calculations imo for PC GPU. Max theoretical TFs can vary a lot depending on your system cooling, ambient temp, power delivery etc.

The GPU in ps5 is capable of more than 2.3ghz, but Cerny and his team Capped at 2.3ghz due to on chip logic breakdown when above 2.3ghz. So, No, the ps5 gpu won't go above 2.3ghz. Same as for CPU. But the power for GPU can go above maximum budget, If the CPU has the power to share. That means the gpu can have more silicon activity without overclocking.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Just Admit It, PS5 done good.

No question, very impressive indeed.

 

[sircaw]

No question, very impressive indeed.

Fs, I am talking about the Ps5 not me, saying that i do look good in red

 

[kyliethicc]

Fs, I am talking about the Ps5 not me, saying that i do look good in red

So does Salah

 

[Corndog]

He did. In Road to PS5. Where most if not all of the more prominent PS5 FUD was debunked before they even existed.

That info is in Road to PS5.

That’s not what I mean. Allow reviewers to see what ghz the gpu and cpu is running in real-time. It will never happen, but would be neat.

 

[Corndog]

Took some screenshots of games running on my RTX 2080. All in the 1.95-1.98 range I double checked my MSI Afterburner settings to make sure I wasnt overclocking it and even had my Nvidia settings set to Optimal Power instead of Prefer Maximum Performance which should boost it above 2.0 Ghz. At 1.98 Ghz, this is a 11.6 tflops gpu. Not a 10.06 tflops gpu Alex claims it to be. Thats a difference of 15% he's missing here.

Cyberpunk

Control

Mafia

Elden Rings

Here is another video of several games running on a founders edition card Alex claims wont go above 1.7 ghz. Every single game runs at 1.935 Ghz or above.

How long can it maintain that speed?

 

[p_xavier]

cerny is a beast

Il est vraiment cerny également.

 

[Shmunter]

Pc comparisons are fun and all, but it is the performance of a closed system that gets the geek juice flowing. Having that hard baseline limit for comparison amongst different games is what allows me to appreciate tech achievement. How much can be extracted, how far can things be pushed.

A pc is about as interesting as duct taping a rocket onto a wheelbarrow and proclaiming to have the fastest car in the world, slow clap but yeah. You feel me?

 

[sircaw]

So does Salah

He is a wonderful player, i will give him that, But damn you to hell Kylie, DAMN YOU TO HELL

 

[Alphagear]

They will be absolutely buried by the end of the year.

PS5 Pro and an XSX Pro will be around by the time that happens with double the performance of the base consoles.

 

[Leo9]

PS5 Pro and an XSX Pro will be around by the time that happens with double the performance of the base consoles.

Next gen GPUs are coming in 6/8 months.

 

[Alphagear]

Next gen GPUs are coming in 6/8 months.

PS4 Pro was released around the same time as PSVR for obvious reasons. You can bet PS5 pro will be released alongside the PSVR2 which is also around the corner.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Why he isnt using the RDNA 2.0 GPUs like the 10.6 tflops 6600Xt and the 13 tflops 6700xt is beyond me. That wouldve been the perfect test. Downclock the GPUs a bit and you can have PS5 vs Xbox specs test in this game. Sigh.

Why there is no 1060gtx apparently on ps5 level according to some pc benchmark guru is beyond me :d

 

[Lysandros]

Why there is no 1060gtx apparently on ps5 level according to some pc benchmark guru is beyond me :d

Do not dare to question the lord himself.

 

[Nocturno999]

Nice try DF making a PC vs PS5 comparison with a last gen game. Very disingenuous.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Nice try DF making a PC vs PS5 comparison with a last gen game. Very disingenuous.

lastgen game that still looks better than most current gen

 

[rofif]

Nice try DF making a PC vs PS5 comparison with a last gen game. Very disingenuous.

Better looking than next gen games.
And it is native. Not bc

 

[Lysandros]

I remember when the PS5 was supposed to be around the performance of a GTX 1080

GTX 1060/70 according to long haired holy one.

 

[Elog]

It is rather costly to pay so much extra to get M+KB controls.

 

[rofif]

It is rather costly to pay so much extra to get M+KB controls.

It supports kb and mouse also on ps5
Although this game is perfect for controller

 

[Elog]

It supports kb and mouse also on ps5
Although this game is perfect for controller

Agree. Just baffling how small the differences are in optimized games when comparing PC and the new gen consoles. Given the current GPU prices it is hard to justify a current PC for playing graphically intense games outside of enthusiast circles.

 

[Lysandros]

It surprised me a bit too, because Cerny himself told DF (not any other website, DF) that it's not the case that you have to choose between running the CPU at full clockspeed or running the GPU at full clockspeed, since the system is provided with enough power for both CPU and GPU to potentially run at 3.5 and 2.23 Ghz, but that actually depends on how power hungry the instructions used may be. As long as you don't exceed the ~200 watts PS5's cooling solutions can handle you're good. If for some reason your code has a higher power consumption than that the console will underclock to a level in which power consumption is those ~200 watts. I don't think its so hard to understand and I can't believe Alex always fails to get it. I mean, it's not like he doesn't have the knowledge or that Cerny haven't explained it to him.

PS5 can go as high as 230 watts, possibly even higher.

 

[Arioco]

PS5 can go as high as 230 watts, possibly even higher.

That's why I used the "~" symbol.

 

[Lysandros]

That's why I used the "~" symbol.

Just to precise that higher power consumption may not mean automatic downclocking (15% higher there).

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

I would test loading on a slower CPU, but I ain't paying 15$ for the DC.

 

[yamaci17]

r7 2700x + 2x8 3466 cl14 with tight subtimings

open areas, cpu bound around 100-110 fps

this cargo hangar or whatever is around cpu bound 80-90 fps

game favors physical cores and fully utilizes the all 8

couldn't force it to drop below 60 no matter what I've tried. maybe in later regions, dunno.

 

[SlimySnake]

How long can it maintain that speed?

It is constant. You can see it in the video. Slightly slower clocks than mine. But The clocks remain fixed at -935 or 1950 mhz.

 

[yamaci17]

With slow load times like that all round it looks like all the decompression is being done on CPU cores even on the PS5 - running a PS4 port, much like HFW, etc.

That's probably the main reason Alex used the Core i9, is because the load times on a CPU that compares to the PS5 APU's CPU specs probably doubles or triples those loading times on PC.

cold boot into a save file in this location, 10900k loads the game in 13.72 seconds

2700x COLD BOOTS into the very same location in 14 or so seconds (compared to the 10900k's 13.72 sec cold boot time)



soft boot takes 3-5 secs



this is a cpu that is literally %60-70 slower than 10th gen intel CPUs

people really go extremes to downplay PCs lmao

 

[SlimySnake]

Pc comparisons are fun and all, but it is the performance of a closed system that gets the geek juice flowing. Having that hard baseline limit for comparison amongst different games is what allows me to appreciate tech achievement. How much can be extracted, how far can things be pushed.

A pc is about as interesting as duct taping a rocket onto a wheelbarrow and proclaiming to have the fastest car in the world, slow clap but yeah. You feel me?

I am not gonna lie. I have been VERY disappointed by most of these PS5 ports. Death Stranding is an exception, not the norm. Not every game is doing this 8x boost to the pixel budget taking PS4 games from 1080p 30 fps to native 4k 60 fps while offering higher quality PC settings. We just had Uncharted 4 get released and ND basically increased the resolution by 75% and the framerate by 100% and called it a day. Thats not even a 4x increase to the pixel budget. The PS5 should be able to do much more in that game, and unless they butcher the PC version like they did GOW, we should soon find out.

Guardians of the Galaxy runs just fine on PCs at 60 fps. You dont have to go all the way down to 1080p to get 60 fps even that is variable on consoles. On PCs, I have more control and can do far more with my 2080. Horizon not being able to do 60 fps without heavily downgrading the resolution is bizarre and I am a 100% sure my PC should easily be able to run it at native 1440p 60 fps whenever it comes out. Same with Ghost of Tsushima.

Typically I'd agree with you on the benefits of a closed system, but we have rarely seen it this gen. I believe Doom, AC Valhalla, Spiderman, Death Stranding and a couple other dynamic resolution games are the only games that have truly been able to extract every ounce of power from the PS5 and XSX. Those devs settling for fixed resolutions and capped framerates have shortchanged us.

 

[SlimySnake]

Why there is no 1060gtx apparently on ps5 level according to some pc benchmark guru is beyond me :d

Do not dare to question the lord himself.

Wait, did Alex really compare the PS5 to the 1060? A 4.5 tflops GPU?

 

[mansoor1980]

it was tech jesus who said ps5 is around 1060 performance

 

[hlm666]

Wait, did Alex really compare the PS5 to the 1060? A 4.5 tflops GPU?

I believe the statement everyone drags up was him saying at some point that the ps5 is around ~2070s raster and a 2060 with RT. Not sure where the 1060 came from.

edit: ok that's where the 1060 is coming from.

 

[HTK]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 0.63%
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 0.69%
Source

Wow.

 

[kraspkibble]

why wouldn't he use a newer GPU like a 3080/3090 to get the best performance. a 2080 is almost 4 years old lmao? oh yeah it's digital foundry, so can't make the PS5 look bad.

 

[Lysandros]

it was tech jesus who said ps5 is around 1060 performance

This was only to test his followers faith.

 

[Shmunter]

I am not gonna lie. I have been VERY disappointed by most of these PS5 ports. Death Stranding is an exception, not the norm. Not every game is doing this 8x boost to the pixel budget taking PS4 games from 1080p 30 fps to native 4k 60 fps while offering higher quality PC settings. We just had Uncharted 4 get released and ND basically increased the resolution by 75% and the framerate by 100% and called it a day. Thats not even a 4x increase to the pixel budget. The PS5 should be able to do much more in that game, and unless they butcher the PC version like they did GOW, we should soon find out.

Guardians of the Galaxy runs just fine on PCs at 60 fps. You dont have to go all the way down to 1080p to get 60 fps even that is variable on consoles. On PCs, I have more control and can do far more with my 2080. Horizon not being able to do 60 fps without heavily downgrading the resolution is bizarre and I am a 100% sure my PC should easily be able to run it at native 1440p 60 fps whenever it comes out. Same with Ghost of Tsushima.

Typically I'd agree with you on the benefits of a closed system, but we have rarely seen it this gen. I believe Doom, AC Valhalla, Spiderman, Death Stranding and a couple other dynamic resolution games are the only games that have truly been able to extract every ounce of power from the PS5 and XSX. Those devs settling for fixed resolutions and capped framerates have shortchanged us.

I agree, but being a glass half full guy I reckon on balance things are a bliss this gen on console. Everything is 60 and solid iq irrespective of resolution. I have yet to be offended by any type of obtrusive jaggies like I have been many times in recent gens. My pet peeve.

 

[SlimySnake]

I agree, but being a glass half full guy I reckon on balance things are a bliss this gen on console. Everything is 60 and solid iq irrespective of resolution. I have yet to be offended by any type of obtrusive jaggies like I have been many times in recent gens. My pet peeve.

I had to play Horizon and Guardians at 30 fps because of their sub optimal 60 fps implementations which has definitely left a sour taste. Not a fan of the Miles and Ratchet RT 60 fps modes either. Especially considering how phenomenal they look in native 4k.

it was tech jesus who said ps5 is around 1060 performance

Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[Md Ray]

why wouldn't he use a newer GPU like a 3080/3090 to get the best performance. a 2080 is almost 4 years old lmao? oh yeah it's digital foundry, so can't make the PS5 look bad.

The point of the video was to find which GPU in the PC space lands around PS5 GPU's perf level.

 

[rickybooby87]

why wouldn't he use a newer GPU like a 3080/3090 to get the best performance. a 2080 is almost 4 years old lmao? oh yeah it's digital foundry, so can't make the PS5 look bad.

Because a 3080/3090 would hit the vsync limit in that cut scene on PC, thus making a comparison pointless. You need a beefy GPU that can't hit that 60FPS target to compare against the PS5.

 

[Tqaulity]

I am not gonna lie. I have been VERY disappointed by most of these PS5 ports. Death Stranding is an exception, not the norm. Not every game is doing this 8x boost to the pixel budget taking PS4 games from 1080p 30 fps to native 4k 60 fps while offering higher quality PC settings. We just had Uncharted 4 get released and ND basically increased the resolution by 75% and the framerate by 100% and called it a day. Thats not even a 4x increase to the pixel budget. The PS5 should be able to do much more in that game, and unless they butcher the PC version like they did GOW, we should soon find out.

Guardians of the Galaxy runs just fine on PCs at 60 fps. You dont have to go all the way down to 1080p to get 60 fps even that is variable on consoles. On PCs, I have more control and can do far more with my 2080. Horizon not being able to do 60 fps without heavily downgrading the resolution is bizarre and I am a 100% sure my PC should easily be able to run it at native 1440p 60 fps whenever it comes out. Same with Ghost of Tsushima.

Typically I'd agree with you on the benefits of a closed system, but we have rarely seen it this gen. I believe Doom, AC Valhalla, Spiderman, Death Stranding and a couple other dynamic resolution games are the only games that have truly been able to extract every ounce of power from the PS5 and XSX. Those devs settling for fixed resolutions and capped framerates have shortchanged us.

You're right but i think you answered your own question. The vast majority of the 3rd party PS5 "ports" are last gen engines not at all optimized for next gen hardware. The reason why Death Stranding is different is because it is a game and an engine that was designed first and foremost for console then later ported to the PC. The devs then spent some time to optimize the engine a bit for PS5 before porting it over to that platform from the PS4 code. Getting Decima to run well on PC is not trivial and Guerilla had been doing work on optimizing for PS5 for a while now.

Again, when a developer can take time to optimize code for the console hardware, amazing things can happen. This is especially true for AMD aligned titles that will generally run better on RDNA class HW when compared to NV GPUs (i.e ACV, Godfall, Ghostwire Tokyo etc). Ghostwire is another great recent example of a game that runs at dynamic 4K (~1800p native) and 30fps on PS5 with RT enabled but a 3070 can't run 4K/30fps w/RT consistently and a 3060Ti can't run at 1440p/30fps with RT enabled. Being a Sony aligned game that's PS5 exclusive for a year, they spent considerable time learning some of the ins and outs of the console and achieved far better results than other 3rd party games like Control and Guardians of the Galaxy (especially with regards to RT perf).

We just had Uncharted 4 get released and ND basically increased the resolution by 75% and the framerate by 100% and called it a day. Thats not even a 4x increase to the pixel budget. The PS5 should be able to do much more in that game, and unless they butcher the PC version like they did GOW, we should soon find out.

Also, I've said this before on these forums, but folks clearly had unrealistic expectations for Uncharted 4 (and similar PS4 ports) on PS5. Keep in mind that the game runs at 1080p/30fps on PS4 (and 1440p/30 on PS4 Pro). Without making any other changes, getting that game to run at native 4K/60fps would require roughly 8x the power. Well the PS5 is only ~7x the PS4 GPU at best and ~5x the CPU. It's not enough raw horsepower to get a PS4 game running at 1080p/30 up to 4K/60. Sure they could do things with DRS and temporal upscaling to get there but the naughty dog engine does not have DRS built in currently (which is why EVERY release since UC4 has run at a constant resolution on PS4/PS4 pro) and it would have required tweaking the engine to a point that probably wasn't worth it for the remaster. I assume we'll see much of these features added to their full PS5 "next gen" engine in the future, but don't expect miracles on the existing engine given the hardware they're working with.