Then what sense does it make for MS to tell Blizzard to take the game from 900p to 1080p if the game was already technically sufficient at 900p?
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Digital Foundry's Face-Off: Diablo III Ultimate Evil Edition [PS4, XBO and PC]
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Then what sense does it make for MS to tell Blizzard to take the game from 900p to 1080p if the game was already technically sufficient at 900p?
Katana_Strikes
Member
It's great. Well worth it at full price.
huh? thats a totally different situation. MS saw they could get the game up 1080. but nothing was changed to game itself.
PS4 can play the game on the highest setting at 1080p. There is nothing more that could be done to it besides adding more to the game itself.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Do you "lol" without thinking?Does the PC version have various AA options? Are the consoles are using cheap FXAA? A trade off of performance for better AA might be interesting.
I found this in their comments, I recognize the name too, he's from B3D.
So if their is overhead, they could internally render at a higher res (the PS4 Lego games do this), this is a type of AA. Or the frame rates plummet later in the game and the overhead is needed. If so God help the XB1 version.
Forza 5 is.
Wolfenstein kinda is, but isn't...
Anyway, seems like the bump to 1080p on the X1 was a good idea after all. If the drops are imperceptible the increase in res is welcomed.
Ricerocket
Member
Blizzard explained their method for stress testing (4 witch doctors coop lategame) and they go with solo barb in act1 and 2 story mode, again.
from what I see the consoles both have better AA implementation than the pc version ( without forcing it) which is not selectable.
ive played through the game on xbone and now going through on ps4. the xbone had no noticeable frame dips.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Would have like to see some Lego like super sampling for the PS4 version. Or some added AA.
This game benefits so much from uber clean IQ.
I solo'd most of this game on launch(day) but never beat it. Wondering if I should double dip and couch coop this with a friend.
This game benefits so much from uber clean IQ.
I solo'd most of this game on launch(day) but never beat it. Wondering if I should double dip and couch coop this with a friend.
The Lamonster
Member
haha this was my thought as well.
alexandros
Banned
It didn't in my mind, so apologies if I didn't make my point clear.
actually it reminds me of nfs rivals test, where they talked about a perfect 30hz framerate.
apparently, they did not go very far into that game.......
thing is, given how exhaustive are some other things they spot and make a fuss about,
I tend to believe that they showed only what they wanted to show for nfs, and again I am pretty sure that nfs was not the single occurrence of this.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
So are you saying the console versions can't handle that?
TetraGenesis
Member
Jesus, relax, Bruiser. The XB1 looks and runs fine, you don't have to attack people that agree with you.
Ricerocket
Member
I'm pretty curious how they would hold up. The game is not a looker so the beginning of the game is stressing nothing. Elites in the test have like 1-2 prefix out of 4 (dependant on lvl), and the characters don't have later skills or gear to spam.
The game dips pretty hard on PC if you group with a darklight crusader spamming fist of the heavens and I have 15 fetishes out, dog, garg, and spamming toads with rhen'ho flayer + 2 others in the party.
yeahh... I'm probably going to pull the trigger on this and the vita sly collection. yogo right?
AndyMoogle
Member
During this test. Testing the performance on anything less than Torment difficulty is pretty much pointless. Preferably they should be playing with 4 players as well.
Take the test they did for the 360 and PS3 versions. That test doesn't show that the game grinds to a halt during the craziest parts.
Here we have a quote from the 360/PS3 Face-Off:
Digital Foundry said:
That's laughable and shows off how flawed that test was. Those versions do not run anywhere near 60 fps during late game.
He played his troll hand after Second Son dropped. Quelle surprise.
AndyMoogle
Member
Depends on what kind of player you are. If you plan on spending most of your time while you're level 70, then you'll rush through the lower difficulties so that you can get to the fun stuff. If that's the case, then we're looking at maybe a few % of your game time will be spent on the lowest difficulty. It's hard to say exactly, but it won't be much and it's completely uninteresting for someone like me to know how the game runs at such an early part of the game. That's really not where I'll be spending the majority of my time.
serversurfer
Member
Dat spin! It's really more of a, "Some developer said this, and I do/don't believe them," issue.
Perhaps you have a short memory, or simply weren't paying attention, but Ubi implemented gesture controls in the PS3 version of EndWar but they needed to "slip it past Microsoft" because they were expected to deliver "feature parity."
The feature didn't make it in to the PS3 version, for the record.
serversurfer
Member
Agreed. I may PM dark10x to see if we can get a followup of some sort. Maybe Blizzard can even provide them with some late-game saves, to save DF the grind.
I'd heard a lot of talk of reduced mob count in the console versions when compared to the PC, but DF didn't' mention that at all. Instead, they went out of their way to say both consoles appeared identical to the PC, apart from being more zoomed out(?) to facilitate same-screen co-op. So the consoles are showing the same number of mobs with full effects and an even larger field of view? Is that right?
Consoles are zoomed IN (closer to the player character) by roughly 30%. Furthermore, as I don't see an official statement by Blizzard, I'll assume the mob density is still significantly lower than on PC.
Mr Moose
Member
How good is this game from start to finish, on a scale of 1-10?
No it isn't, the game is 30fps when it's "pretty", when you race its 60fps.
No it isn't, the game is 30fps when it's "pretty", when you race its 60fps.
serversurfer
Member
Oh, that makes more sense. DF said it was done to facilitate local co-op, so I just assumed it meant zooming out to give the players more room to separate.
That seems like a safe assumption, it just seems odd DF didn't mention it, since ostensibly this is also a "PC vs. consoles" comparison.
Again, we need to have a sort of histogram to get an idea of how long the console stays at what fps.
e.g. The game may dip down to 25 fps at a single point due to some bug, but keep at 60fps rest of the time. Without a histogram, the min 25fps may look awful, but normally it would be insignificant.
e.g. The game may dip down to 25 fps at a single point due to some bug, but keep at 60fps rest of the time. Without a histogram, the min 25fps may look awful, but normally it would be insignificant.
Pretty sure that most of the time fps will stay at 60fps. And dips, according to the article, are rare. Maybe in co-op it dips more but I wouldn't worry too much if I had an XBO. Hopefully DF updates their article soon so I can add more information here.
Well, I had some noticeable framerate issues on PS4 in some corners with chests and enemies. But nothing to worry about
suspicious that you only have an XBL gamertag in your profile and not a PSN name...
SniperHunter
Banned
highly suspicious! he is just talking shit about the PS4 version to deter buyers
serversurfer
Member
Confusingly, they did indeed describe them as rare and transient, immediately after referring to them as "prolonged." =/
brandonh83
Banned
Can't get the screenshot comparison tool to work...
Interesting read. Aside from the brightness difference (or is this the whole crushed black on XBO issue?), they look very similar. I guess the major difference are the occasional frame drops. Seems solid experience for both, irregardless.
I'll be asking this question for every multi-platform titles that is released in the future.
I'll be asking this question for every multi-platform titles that is released in the future.
Yea. I agree that its a bit confusing but if I understood correctly, they encountered very few prolonged (long lasting, not frequently appearing) dips:
They should update their article though.
Lethal_NFS
Banned
Just got to Act IV on my PS4 today. Playing the entire game in co-op with a friend, I have yet to witness any sort of dip in frame rate.
This game is a damn masterpiece!!!!!
This game is a damn masterpiece!!!!!
rokkerkory
Member
So all versions are good? nice
staticneuron
Member
That is what I don't understand. If it is as good as max settings on PC, what more do they expect?
If it's that hard to notice in practice then I guess this would be a positive way of doing it: the other platform holder goading the developer to make the game catch up on their system to what it's doing on the competition's, rather than the inverse (holding back on the competition for LCD purposes.)
And I guess the PS4 probably could've gone for downsampling but... eh.
martino
Member
I wonder what you're excepting from a pixel art multiplat game on ps4....
Not all game are designed to push hardware to the limits (and thanks to that we'll have easylli a good quantity of 1080p/60fps game on this gen)
serversurfer
Member
The consoles have a reduced field of view and supposedly, lower mob densities.
So the same effects as PC-max, but with a reduced workload.
staticneuron
Member
The consoles have weaker CPU's so shouldn't that be expected?
I was curious about expectations on enhanced graphics.
seems like all 3 versions are pretty solid, awesome!
only considering how stable the ps4 version is
only considering how stable the ps4 version is
theDeeDubs
Member
So far I've put in about 20 hours on XB1, and part of that includes my WD who is almost to act 4. I've noticed one drop so far, and it was weirdly not in as crazy a situation as many other situations I've had so far. I've had some 50 and 100 kill streaks without drops. Looks like everyone wins on this one.
UnwrittenZero
Member
I've brought the ps4 to a crawl with my dark light crusader, witch doctor in co-op in a torment rift. There will be drops.
serversurfer
Member
Well, it seems increasing the mob count would increase the burden on the GPU in much the same manner that increasing the player count does, and I wouldn't imagine the AI for a game like this to be terribly expensive.
Did they actually cite CPU constraints for the reduction in mob density? Is their engine not well-threaded?
I'd say a good eight
and FYI, forza 5 is much more good looking during playtime, than on replay
M_A_C
Member
I got bored of the PC version quick when it came out. I kinda wanna try the PS4 version, but I think i'll be bored again.
Current gen consoles don't have lower mob density.