Depends on which games. I don't remember any of the gym leaders outside Korrina and Wulfric even appearing outside their gyms in X and Y.
X and Y somehow has really poor worldbuilding and story even though the characters never shut up.
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Do you wish Pokemon had more logic and consistency in its world-bulding?
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X and Y somehow has really poor worldbuilding and story even though the characters never shut up.
they always had
and if anything Sun/Moon was a regression on that (apart from the kahunas and two or three characters which you see again most are one and done like mina, bird E4 girl, third island captains and etcetera)
Each Island Captain has extra interactions than just the trial...
if you're considering one or two lines of text as 'interaction' or the rebattles it still pales in comparison to other games specially gen IV and V
dance is just for fluff, real secret is on the crystals
Fuck if I know, it looked cool the first few times and now I hate watching it.
I think you need to go back to those games...
After Sun and Moon's postgame with Annabelle and the version portal, I'm not sure how she's not at least coincidentally correct.
Crazy people rants seem to be used as foreshadowing in a lot of different video games. Pokemon isn't that subtle, they clearly wanted us to at least think about it kooky mouthpiece or no.
So if it's not the case. . .then why did the misdirect exist?
Just played them recently because i'm nuzlocking them.
Apart from Candice and Byron, every other gym leader had way more meaningful interactions than the trial captains in Sun/Moon save for Acerola (just because she ends up being a E4 member later)
Don't even give me the "you can talk with Karili in the resort, she's not out of nowhere" excuse either. I can raise you Flint, which is way more relevant.
TriggerShy
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Apparently, in an interview with Shigeru Ohmori, the Whismur is named after someone who was a Lorekeeper before Zinnia. So I doubt it was her child, and the 'mum' cry may have just been a quirk.
And Team Rocket is just organized crime managing casinos as a cover. Team Rocket GOAT
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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That's because XY's writing was largely dedicated to Kanto throwbacks and the supporting cast kissing the ground you walk on.
It's really ironic that the one modern region that could've used a third version or sequel to flesh things out better ended being the only generation not to update its own region.
To be fair I loved going through the E4 in Sun; you start with Hala and Olivia like Kukui told you to expect but then you find Acerola and its like
Me: Why isnt Nanu here?
Acerola: Because he gives zero fucks.
Me: Oh right.
Afterwards you look at the symbol outside the fourth door and think thats not ground type. Only to find Kahili who basically says that she should be the champion and only agreed as a favor to Kukui and to get a shot at you.
The randomness of golf lady is so funny I can't hate her.
lifetimeofnot
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This thread is full or people asking why 3ds games are not as good as the witcher 3, like What?
The system a game is on doesn't really dictate what does or does not need to be covered.
The genre kinda does a bit, though. Most games aren't built around the premise of the world being as realistic as possible the way big open world titles are.
. . .Come to think of it, all the demand for open world Pokemon might have something to do with the level of contention.
NipplesAndToes23
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I don't really give a fuck. I just want to play some fun shit. We get a ton of fan games for Pokemon so somebody will probably make what you want.
Heck, they don't even necessarily need to wait for that.
Some people's ideas are elaborate enough that they could probably just write fanfiction instead.
Sure it's not hip and cool, but it's gotta be more fun than just vaguely having them in mind while being dissatisfied with how the actual games are progressing.
Maintenance
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That's what was nice about the original Pokemon games; it wasn't about saving the world. It was down to Earth compared to other RPGs. The bizarre stuff was just there for you to find. Current games require you to be the chosen one and save humanity.
I realy like how legendaries are just Pokemon you can encounter when you go off the beaten path. Instead of world destroying monsters you have to beat to progress the story, you can catch these powerful Pokemon by disovering the world.
Pokemaniac
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I'm really not sure why you feel the need to down play that line so much when alternate universes are a pretty firmly established part of Pokémon canon at this point. Arguably this was even the case at least as far back as Gen V, if I'm remembering the Cell Battery thing correctly.
Lastgengamer
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The police have weapons in Pokemon generations
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yeX5GzN03AU
There were even guns in the first TV season of Pokemon.
Less story please, the constant barrage of cutscenes in modern Pokemon is incredibly annoying. The games are the best when they're simple.
If Gen 1 and 2 had been as text heavy I would never have gotten into Pokemon in the first place. I'm convinced this actually harms sales and Pokemon's popularity in all countries that have no localization too.
If Gen 1 and 2 had been as text heavy I would never have gotten into Pokemon in the first place. I'm convinced this actually harms sales and Pokemon's popularity in all countries that have no localization too.
Pokemaniac
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They even have a 3D model for the bathroom and garage but chose not to use it.
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I literally just stumbled across this exact room, by the way. It is definitely in the final game in Hala's house.
Totally agree with the OP but after over 20 years my expectations of Game Freak are rock bottom. It's not that they're lazy or incompetent, it's that they have no reason to try and do better.
It's such a shame, as I love the monster battling aspect of the games, but the two things that would hugely improve the game - better story / worldbuilding and proper difficulty in the main story - I have no hope of ever seeing.
Pokemon Sun was such a bad RPG story that I'm quite amazed I finished it. I'm not sure pokemon games are even good anymore. They're amazing battle systems attached to a boring slog of a single player RPG.
It's such a shame, as I love the monster battling aspect of the games, but the two things that would hugely improve the game - better story / worldbuilding and proper difficulty in the main story - I have no hope of ever seeing.
Pokemon Sun was such a bad RPG story that I'm quite amazed I finished it. I'm not sure pokemon games are even good anymore. They're amazing battle systems attached to a boring slog of a single player RPG.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Eh let them believe in this dreck of multiverse garbage
I can satisfy myself knowing that that dragon whore is hated even by Japanese
lvl99 Pixel
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Logic seems incompatible with the idea of Pokemon to its core, so its best if they just roll with how strange it is rather than try to explain it in detail. ie. the biologists admit they have never seen how pokemon breed
They tried to bring in shit like natural selection and conservation in a world where the #1 pastime is fighting each other with creatures that are literally named after their placement on a trainers utility belt.
Worse are the melodramatic world ending plotlines where they try to preach pokemon as friends and not things to collect, as you're simultaneously adding everything from gods to aliens to your collection.
the older games are fucking quaint in comparison to the interdimensional travelling, mega evolving, Z move using era we're in. Guessing they will add fusions next or something.
In regards to ludonarrative dissonance, Pokemon is in a league of its own. Its unintentionally hilarious to have the game tell you "we have to get the ultra beasts back to their dimension!" and you collect them like any other.
They tried to bring in shit like natural selection and conservation in a world where the #1 pastime is fighting each other with creatures that are literally named after their placement on a trainers utility belt.
Worse are the melodramatic world ending plotlines where they try to preach pokemon as friends and not things to collect, as you're simultaneously adding everything from gods to aliens to your collection.
the older games are fucking quaint in comparison to the interdimensional travelling, mega evolving, Z move using era we're in. Guessing they will add fusions next or something.
In regards to ludonarrative dissonance, Pokemon is in a league of its own. Its unintentionally hilarious to have the game tell you "we have to get the ultra beasts back to their dimension!" and you collect them like any other.
My favorite are how Kangaskhan born immediately with a baby and Wailord can breed with Skitty.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I wonder if Lillie merch sales were amazing.
lvl99 Pixel
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the magical world of Pokemon where ratata and the snake pokemon can have babies together, and the pokedex will probably still tell you one likes to kill the other for fun
I guess the world building is consistent if only because its consistently weird
Acerac
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That's fair, but even back in the day Alakazam had a 5,000 IQ.
Some consistency and a more down to earth story would be wonderful, but GameFreak can just do whatever they like and sell trillions so I've given up expecting significant improvements from the series..
Sauce Marlow
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It should be a rule that if you haven't played any recent Pokémon games then you can't have an opinion on them. Y'all are seriously complaining about things that have been fixed, removed or added in the newer entries. Not to mention the other suggestions you non-players come up with are freaking awful. I swear if you guys got your way and had everything you want in a Pokémon game it would be literally the worst entry in the series.
I prefer my Pokemon to have fucking insane stories about time-travelling alternate dimension voodoo aliens--and how the underlying canon is shifting to make every prior game part of that.
If Sun and Moon just had its Z-Move battle system gameplay to go off of it would more underwhelming.
If Sun and Moon just had its Z-Move battle system gameplay to go off of it would more underwhelming.
I wish they'd make more than 151 Pokémon.
I wish wrap moves didn't make you unable to do anything else.
I wish Psychic types weren't so over powered, with no good Bug or Ghost moves and Psychic the move lowering Special all the damn time.
I wish more of the TMs were any good.
I wish Ponyta family had better moves. Would a real Fire move kill them?
I wish wrap moves didn't make you unable to do anything else.
I wish Psychic types weren't so over powered, with no good Bug or Ghost moves and Psychic the move lowering Special all the damn time.
I wish more of the TMs were any good.
I wish Ponyta family had better moves. Would a real Fire move kill them?
lvl99 Pixel
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and those voodoo aliens amounted to not much more than random encounters in tall grass
I think Indian elephants are close to extinction in the Fire Red universe.
Holy shit, this is hilarious. Like Korean BBQ in FF7.
I think Indian elephants are close to extinction in the Fire Red universe.
That's basically my point. They've referenced them a few times, and things like "normal" fish were in the anime, but... are they phased out in favor of more Pokemon? Do they co-exist? Are they endangered because Pokemon can (and do) use them for easy prey? What's the deal with animals?
Some of other references to real world in Pokemon includes Arcanine's Pokedex entries that mentioned China, Lt. Surge who was an American soldier that fought in at least one war (iirc his Raichu saves his life by zapping enemies) and Mew found in Guyana.
I'm guessing in their original vision, Kanto is located in Japan (literally real world Kanto region).
Man if I went to a poke center and there was no one to heal my pokémons...maybe ok have variations of Joys with alternatives hairs based on the time of the day it could make more sense, mix with other hair and skin colors in every town and some random variations of the "welcome to Pokemon center" and done.
But yeah people want a reskin of skyrim or botw with Pokemon,it wont work that well, cost a lot and wont bring the same profit as the way they are doing now, game freaks must focus on having back the same level of content of BW2 first.
But yeah people want a reskin of skyrim or botw with Pokemon,it wont work that well, cost a lot and wont bring the same profit as the way they are doing now, game freaks must focus on having back the same level of content of BW2 first.
That's true, but anime Serena is like 10 as opposed to game Serena who is 16.
OP I'm not sure what you're saying. That the world of Pokemon doesn't make sense? That's definitely true to some extent because they have to balance story with gameplay. Like Pokemon go to your PC if you already have six for balance purposes so you don't just have infinite Pokemon... but how does a physical thing like a Pokeball get transferred to the PC instantly? Is it teleported there? Where does it stay? In a digital server? Is it teleported to Oak's house? How come I don't see my Pokemon when I go there?
You could ask a billion questions about "how the world of Pokemon works" but it just does. And while the story of Pokemon is not particularly amazing, I always thought they did a great job making each region unique with its own lore and history. There are many details about each region you probably wouldn't pick up unless you paid close attention and explored extensively.
You could ask a billion questions about "how the world of Pokemon works" but it just does. And while the story of Pokemon is not particularly amazing, I always thought they did a great job making each region unique with its own lore and history. There are many details about each region you probably wouldn't pick up unless you paid close attention and explored extensively.
This is a problem I had with Breath of the Wild in spots - specifically the suspension of disbelief required to accept that the small villages spread across the world were the hubs and centres for the respective races. "Goron City" is like 12 caves in a canyon. Zora's Domain is 80% palace and 10% market. The Rito village is like 5 nests. And the fact that some of the races hadn't interacted with each other despite the geography being relatively condensed. etc.
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