http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/14/politics/justice-department-domestic-terror-council/
Bout time someone said it
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DOJ:Domestic terror groups pose a greater threat to America than ISIS or al Qaeda.
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Veritigo_X
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I feel like I've known this for awhile now. The recent attacks make it even more obvious that this is the case. Even with stuff like the confederate guy that detonated an explosion at a Walmart, which didn't result in any casualties. If he was more organized and wasn't doing this alone that could've been a lot worse.
I think we'll see more of these kinds of attacks as far right views become less and less acceptable in our society as time goes on.
I think we'll see more of these kinds of attacks as far right views become less and less acceptable in our society as time goes on.
shadowsdarknes
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Partially because so many domestic terrorists also identify themselves as Patriots.
It's been fairly evident since Timothy McViegh, all these dudes come with the same play book of crazy ass. But cause they weren't brown they were given a pass. Shit Cliven Bundy pointed loaded guns at federal agents.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
That sounds about accurate. I imagine someone connected to ISIS or al Qaeda or that has any ties is probably going to get flagged in some way traveling to the US, or through their activities in the US. Domestic terror groups are already here, and they can communicate with each other more clandestinely without attracting attention (group meetings, bars, through friends, etc) from the FBI.
I knew fans of that team were no good.
theechrisfox
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It's way too easy for sociopaths with a personal arsenal to hide in plain sight. I find myself looking left and right when I'm doing the most mundane shit, like pumping gas.
Epsilon-delta
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Veritigo_X
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Even if you ignore police violence there is a lot to be worried about. It would be better to separate these two problems.
Cliven Bundy was who I had in mind, but I wasn't even thinking far back to McViegh. They're all cut from the same cloth, they just had different methods of going about it.
Cliven Bundy was who I had in mind, but I wasn't even thinking far back to McViegh. They're all cut from the same cloth, they just had different methods of going about it.
Fenderputty
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This seems obvious to anyone not buying into the fear from the right
And was applauded for it. I still can't believe it. Not city or state officers...FEDERAL AGENTS. If that wasn't blatant display of privilege, I don't know what is.
NeOak
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Fox News loooooooved that dude until he started saying racist shit in plain english instead dog whistles. They couldn't cosign, publicly.
Gordon Shumway
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Yup..shit was something else.
Hari Seldon
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MORE SURVEILLANCE!!!!!!!
That's all that is going to happen. Every American will need to register and get their chip right in the back of their skull. Get ready.
I had this exact conversation with my parents last time I visited them. They're pretty well grounded and rational on most things, but they're pretty convinced that ISIS is in this country and poses the bigger threat than any domestic, american hate/terror group. I think once we talked it through they began to consider this point of view, it's just that nothing in the news really presents that point of view.
And no, they're not Fox News watchers. It's mainly just the daily paper and maybe AOL news or something like that, which is telling.
This is great.
And no, they're not Fox News watchers. It's mainly just the daily paper and maybe AOL news or something like that, which is telling.
This is great.
Was anyone ever arguing this though? The initiative on ISIS was never "marketed" as a means of protecting US citizens. It wasn't sold in the same way as Bush's invasion. It was to stop ISIS from slaughtering innocent Iraqis, who were left (more or less) defenseless after the US troop withdrawal.
AstroNut325
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The problem is that there are many who easily but into the fear from the right. And accordingly so, they will see any measure of activity to curb these groups as a threat to their freedom.
I really hope the DOJ treads this carefully.
Hari Seldon
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The threat of either is minuscule, but these people need to drum up fear for funding. Breaking the 4th amendment requires a lot of cash.
Those 90s far right lunatics never went away. 9/11 just let them focus on an external factor for a while. Since 2008 and the descent of the Republican party into the basest depths of luncay thanks to Obama's election has allowed for a more fertile and receptive environment for their ideas to he aimed internally again.
Veritigo_X
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The right argues this all the time. They don't want to admit that there are extremists in their party. Extremists that presidential candidates are currently catering to...
Yaphett Kotto
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Some people I met who joined the military think the War in Afghanistan and now OIR are defending the US, not the country we are operating in. It is nice for government bodies to come out and claim otherwise so that idea doesn't spread.
UnemployedVillain
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But How Can They Be Terrorists If They're White?
Please go to Oklahoma city and go see the bombing memorial sometime. Maybe seeing it and thinking of the hundreds of people who were blown up that day back in '95 might give you pause before shitting up this discussion. Maybe you might even take it seriously instead of using it as a jumping point to move your own agenda.
crimsonheadGCN
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The last time was more of a prediction that there would be an increase in domestic terrorism from the right, iirc. Now there's been enough evidence that it's true, so I doubt that they'll be able to get it buried.
I can already see the spin "Obama wants to take guns away from The Real Americans"
Mental Atrophy
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We've always known this, but people would rather politicize other issues.
The Lamonster
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Fix gun laws. How about that for a start.
Never doubt the strength of cognitive dissonance to drown out criticism when being hurled by the far right.
Climate change, gun deaths, income inequality, immigration, etc all prove that that handwaving stuff like this away as liberal media bias against their own political agenda will win out in the end.
djplaeskool
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:jnc
Agreed.
Veritigo_X
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No different from the message they've been saying for the last few years really. The creation of this new DOJ position just gives them fresh ammo. I'm sure some people are self aware enough to know they are what is being talked about here.
Edit: lol your new avatar threw me off. I just read your comment again and was like "...that's literally what Slayven just said."
That's kind of the problem with the second amendment, right? It's supposed to enable people to rise up if the government becomes tyrannic, but the question when a government becomes tyrannic is a bit open to interpretation. Some guy might already draw the line at border checkpoints.
lol the pic was too good not to use. It's fits my "I seen shit" mood I sometimes i get reading posts
Orbis Tabula
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I'm not surprised by this, but it is nice to see your intuition confirmed by someone with actual knowledge of the subject.
The liberals don't want us to say it, but the truth is that it is just not as scary to be gunned down by a freedom assault rifle when it is wielded by a white man.
Ivan A Nguyen
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I'm confused. Are domestic terror groups just gangs or is that what we are calling the Kotch brothers now?
theignoramus
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They may not be "terrorists" per se, but Id be terrified to live in a southern border state with semi automatic rifle laden, angry, right wing men marching around, utterly convinced theyre on a preordained mission from God to protect the country from Hispanic "illegals".
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