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[Lunar15]

It's a deliberate choice by the staff, not a random omission: By not allowing the player to move difficulty up, it ensures that the player can't just lower the difficulty to get by one chapter and then move it back up in the next.

Now, whether or not that's valid is a completely different argument. Personally, I wouldn't care. It doesn't alienate me, I just wouldn't use it.

 

[Busaiku]

It's a change that would alienate a good amount of old school players, and there's little pay off for doing so (unlike other changes).

Why would it alienate players?
If you're playing, you never have to change your difficulty.

 

[wild wild rice]

What was the old OT title?

 

[JCX]

So if I download conquest, then download the others later, do I use the same MC in all versions, or can I have a Male MC in one and Female MC in another?

 

[Neoweee]

It's a change that would alienate a good amount of old school players, and there's little pay off for doing so (unlike other changes).

Why would it alienate old school players?

They are only ones that have any meaningful knowledge or experience to know which difficulty settings are right for them.

 

[Kinsei]

So if I download conquest, then download the others later, do I use the same MC in all versions, or can I have a Male MC in one and Female MC in another?

They give you the option to make a new Corrin and skip right to the choice.

 

[Portalbox]

Do I have to buy the DLC maps twice? Or 1 purchase works for both Birthright and Conquest?

 

[Draxal]

Why would it alienate old school players?

They are only ones that have any meaningful knowledge or experience to know which difficulty settings are right for them.

It's considered a badge of honor to complete harder modes in these series (which is identified by the spotpass/streetpass tags that are sent out for this game), by changing the difficulty to get past a notoriously hard stage it's gaming that system.

 

[JCX]

They give you the option to make a new Corrin and skip right to the choice.

Thanks. Glad it's more flexible.

For those who have played Awakening, I played it on Hard mode. Is Conquest on Hard tougher than Awakening on Hard? Right now I'm thinking about doing Birthright on Hard and Conquest on Normal.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

What was the old OT title?

Something about incest being the best so put your sister to the test.


Half joking, it was about Siblings.

 

[L95]

What was the old OT title?

'Is my sibling my birthright or conquest?" or something like that.

 

[wild wild rice]

Something about incest being the best so put your sister to the test.


Half joking, it was about Siblings.

'Is my sibling my birthright or conquest?" or something like that.

Ha, man o man.

 

[Inferno313]

The Eldest Nohr Daughter, she rides with her partner Marzia as Nohr's Wyvern Knight. She loves her siblings more than anyone else and she loves to bathe.
She's also a closet sadist.

 

[-Horizon-]

Ah, might not get to play till a week after everyone else :/

What was the old OT title?

It was about

Spoiler

are siblings a birthright or a conquest

Lets just leave the title discussion there.

 

[Neoweee]

It's considered a badge of honor to complete harder modes in these series (which is identified by the spotpass/streetpass tags that are sent out for this game), by changing the difficulty to get past a notoriously hard stage it's gaming that system.

There's multiple options that other developers have done to address this.

1) Make the highest difficulty immutable (can only be selected at the start of the game), or can't even knock it down. This is what Atlus does.
2) Have the game note if you've been on something from the start, and reward or note that somehow. This is what Witcher and Bioware do.

This isn't exactly new territory for RPGs.

 

[theprodigy]

There's multiple options that other developers have done to address this.

1) Make the highest difficulty immutable (can only be selected at the start of the game), or can't even knock it down. This is what Atlus does.
2) Have the game note if you've been on something from the start, and reward or note that somehow. This is what Witcher and Bioware do.

This isn't exactly new territory for RPGs.

Sure they can do that in a future game. (Witcher/Bioware option is better than the Atlus option imo)

 

[Blackquill]

Can't wait to hear impressions about Conquest Chapter 10 hehehehe

 

[wild wild rice]

Can't wait to hear impressions about Conquest Chapter 10 hehehehe

Uh oh...is that when I'm going to have to turn on Phoenix Mode?

 

[L95]

Sure they can do that in a future game.

But for this game, too late.

I don't think anyone was expecting them to necessarily change it now...

 

[SuperSonic1305]

Is the DLC price for both or each of the other 2 games?

 

[Neoweee]

Can't wait to hear impressions about Conquest Chapter 10 hehehehe

It's mostly on Hard Mode that I hear complaints about. On Normal it is pretty reasonable?

You seem like a series veteran, so I assume you did Hard/Classic on your first run.

 

[GeekyDad]

Downards but not upwards.

Wish it was neither. As much time I spent with Awakening, I can't remember if it allowed for that or not, but I hate when games let you do that. I know the argument all too well, but that's just my personal preference. The challenge feels too artificial like that.

 

[Inferno313]

Is the DLC price for both or each of the other 2 games?

For each.

$80 total for all three campaigns, the same price as the SE.

 

[pariah164]

What a wonderful thing to wake up to.

Shun, you are a magnificent human being. This is one of the best OTs I've ever seen.

Bravo, good sir/madam.

 

[WrenchNinja]

So do enemy units get bullshit skills on Lunatic Birthright?

 

[Triforce141]

Is there any way to get the Fire Emblem Fates home menu icon and title screen WITHOUT the Birthright or Conquest subtitles? Or am I stuck with the Conquest logo while I'm playing Birthright/Revelations.

 

[GeekyDad]

It's a deliberate choice by the staff, not a random omission: By not allowing the player to move difficulty up, it ensures that the player can't just lower the difficulty to get by one chapter and then move it back up in the next.

Now, whether or not that's valid is a completely different argument. Personally, I wouldn't care. It doesn't alienate me, I just wouldn't use it.

Ah, so if you lower down, you can't go back up to what you started with? I didn't realize that. That I'm okay with. I can definitely feel for people who have invested time into a game and feel it's gotten too difficult but still want to finish. But yeah, the other way is just leaving a cheat hole for players. That's not fun.

 

[mrjohill]

Corrin has alt costumes? Are there any pictures of those?

 

[theprodigy]

So do enemy units get bullshit skills on Lunatic Birthright?

no, but Lunatic Conquest does in the endgame

 

[NeonZ]

Do I have to buy the DLC maps twice? Or 1 purchase works for both Birthright and Conquest?

DLC purchases will work for both (even in the case of separate carts used by the same system).

 

[FantasticMrSnake]

Is this a good Fire Emblem to join the saga?

I never played one before, but I want to give it a try.
I have a n3ds so I'm looking to try one there.

 

[Lunar15]

Ah, so if you lower down, you can't go back up to what you started with? I didn't realize that. That I'm okay with. I can definitely feel for people who have invested time into a game and feel it's gotten too difficult but still want to finish. But yeah, the other way is just leaving a cheat hole for players. That's not fun.

Well, that was my understanding. I haven't actually gone and checked, so I could very well be wrong.

 

[wild wild rice]

It's mostly on Hard Mode that I hear complaints about. On Normal it is pretty reasonable?

You seem like a series veteran, so I assume you did Hard/Classic on your first run.

Nope, total scrub. Though I do play a lot of strategy/tactics games, I doubt I would get very far on Hard.

 

[Kinsei]

Is this a good Fire Emblem to join the saga?

I never played one before, but I want to give it a try.
I have a n3ds so I'm looking to try one there.

Yeah. I'd say the only bad one to start with (that was released in NA and EU) is Radiant Dawn because it's a direct sequel.

 

[Blackquill]

So do enemy units get bullshit skills on Lunatic Birthright?

No they don't get any skills at all most of the time

 

[Inferno313]

Is this a good Fire Emblem to join the saga?

I never played one before, but I want to give it a try.
I have a n3ds so I'm looking to try one there.

From what I understand, this is as good a point as any! I don't think it has any story connections to previous games. I would recommend starting with the Birthright version though, "Conquest" is kind of intended for long-time fans while Birthright is intended to be a bit more accessible.

 

[Busaiku]

Is this a good Fire Emblem to join the saga?

I never played one before, but I want to give it a try.
I have a n3ds so I'm looking to try one there.

Yeah, it's standalone.
There's fanservice for other games, but nothing necessary to understand this.

 

[Astral Dog]

Why should it not matter? The second and third routes take very little SD space and a majority of the space is from the retail cart or from the initial version you bought. It is not recommended to get 2 retail carts because they do not give you benefits. Deal with it.

:O but how does this work? Are the two other parts less than Awakening?

 

[Busaiku]

Why should it not matter? The second and third routes take very little SD space and a majority of the space is from the retail cart or from the initial version you bought. It is not recommended to get 2 retail carts because they do not give you benefits. Deal with it.

:O but how does this work? Are the two other parts less than Awakening?

The first 6 chapters are the same across all 3.

 

[kayos90]

I literally don't get Amazon sometimes. Just got off the phone and they told me the game was set to arrive tomorrow because of release date shipping. But when you choose release date shipping it's defaulted to two-day shipping and it hasn't shipped out yet and to top it all off it's coming from fucking California to Texas? Correct me if I'm wrong but the logic is flawed. If it's set for two days then this isn't guaranteed to come tomorrow especially considering the distance. The hell? Why would you promise release day shipping and let this kind of dumbass shit to happen?

 

[NeonZ]

Corrin has alt costumes? Are there any pictures of those?

The first post is wrong about that. Corrin has two body builds per gender, hair style and face options, but there's no "several special outfits exclusive to Corrin".

There's an accessory shop, but any unit can use that, it's just stuff like glasses, hats or shoulder pads, no actual full outfits... aside from swimsuits, which were removed from the localized version, apparently. Those swimsuits only appeared in the hotsprings or after armor break anyway (the game uses the default for those now, with no extra options in the store apparently).

Why should it not matter? The second and third routes take very little SD space and a majority of the space is from the retail cart or from the initial version you bought. It is not recommended to get 2 retail carts because they do not give you benefits. Deal with it.

:O but how does this work? Are the two other parts less than Awakening?

Most assets are shared. For example, even though each kingdom has their own classes, each game effectively has all classes stored since you'll be facing them as enemies anyway (or could get them as extra units by visiting another player's castle). Same thing goes to character's voices and other related assets. It's mostly the unique maps, bgm and CG events that would need to be downloaded afterwards.

 

[Inferno313]

Why should it not matter? The second and third routes take very little SD space and a majority of the space is from the retail cart or from the initial version you bought. It is not recommended to get 2 retail carts because they do not give you benefits. Deal with it.

:O but how does this work? Are the two other parts less than Awakening?

All three parts are full-length, 30-40+ hour campaigns. They've probably just optimized the asset situation pretty well so that the file size for the other versions aren't too huge.

 

[mrjohill]

The first post is wrong about that. Corrin has two body builds per gender, hair style and face options, but there's no "several special outfits exclusive to Corrin".

There's an accessory shop, but any unit can use that, it's just stuff like glasses, hats or shoulder pads, no actual full outfits... aside from swimsuits, which were removed from the localized version, apparently. Those swimsuits only appeared in the hotsprings or after armor break anyway (the game uses the default for those now, with no extra options in the store apparently).

Ah ok. the accessory shop sounds cool tho

 

[microdot]

Why should it not matter? The second and third routes take very little SD space and a majority of the space is from the retail cart or from the initial version you bought. It is not recommended to get 2 retail carts because they do not give you benefits. Deal with it.

:O but how does this work? Are the two other parts less than Awakening?

I think they just reuse the assets from your base cartridge for the other 2 games. The unique chapters/assets take up the rest of the space.

 

[Chrom]

Finally getting around to preloading Conquest. The hype is real right now.

 

[wrowa]

Ah, so if you lower down, you can't go back up to what you started with? I didn't realize that. That I'm okay with. I can definitely feel for people who have invested time into a game and feel it's gotten too difficult but still want to finish. But yeah, the other way is just leaving a cheat hole for players. That's not fun.

Why is not fun? Plenty of people enjoy a more challeninging difficulty setting, but that doesn't mean they can't get stuck on a mission. If they need to lower the difficulty in order to complete that one mission, but generaly enjoy the harder difficulty more, then what is gained by locking them out of their preferred difficulty afterwards? Why does it even matter whether or not there is a "cheat hole" in a single player game? It hurts no one (except for people with a screwed sense of pride, I guess), but helps more people to enjoy a game. Really, what's the negative?

 

[Shun]

For those playing Conquest on Lunatic or even Hard, a tip is that Female Corrin is generally a lot easier in the beginning of the game than if you were to pick Male Corrin.

Male Corrin is the harder route in Conquest because of the different jeigan character you get depending on your gender. Jakob is the superior unit. You will get the other maid/butler eventually.

Jakob for Female
Felicia for Male.

But I am an old school player. I mean I guess they have never heard of Sylvia and Claude. Alvis and Diadora. Faval and Rana. Aless and Nana. Patty and Lester. Eldigan and Rackesis. Lucina and Wood. Layven and Priscilla. Ephraim and Eirika mind as well be canon by the fans.

Altenna and Arion is the most similar to Fire Emblem Fates situation anyway.

I really don't care about the title change and I guess people didn't catch that it was a dig and making fun at older Fire Emblem games. Let's please move past the thread title and if you would like to suggest a new one for the inevitable OT2, please do so then.

 

[Lord of Ostia]

Why is not fun? Plenty of people enjoy a more challeninging difficulty setting, but that doesn't mean they can't get stuck on a mission. If they need to lower the difficulty in order to complete that one mission, but generaly enjoy the harder difficulty more, then what is gained by locking them out of their preferred difficulty afterwards? Why does it even matter whether or not there is a "cheat hole" in a single player game? It hurts no one (except for people with a screwed sense of pride, I guess), but helps more people to enjoy a game. Really, what's the negative?

There are already so many 'cheat holes' in the game with the Casual mode and Phoenix mode that what you are talking about is simply unnecessary. There are tons of difficulty options already available to the player. There is no need to let you lower the difficulty for only one chapter, that basically negates the challenge, and encourages people to do that for more challenging chapters rather than becoming more proficient at the game. There is nothing wrong with a developer wanting to encourage the player to grow proficient with the difficulty level they have chosen, challenging the player without an easy way out is a completely valid design choice.

 

[Lunar15]

Are they legit Jeigans in that they start out great but don't have good growths, or are they more like recent Jeigans where they end up being extremely good units anyway?

 

[sorakirosaki]

But I am an old school player. I mean I guess they have never heard of Sylvia and Claude. Alvis and Diadora. Faval and Rana. Aless and Nana. Patty and Lester. Eldigan and Rackesis. Lucina and Wood. Layven and Priscilla. Ephraim and Eirika mind as well be canon by the fans.

Altenna and Arion is the most similar to Fire Emblem Fates situation anyway.

I really don't care about the title change and I guess people didn't catch that it was a dig and making fun at older Fire Emblem games. Let's please move past the thread title and if you would like to suggest a new one for the inevitable OT2, please do so then.

that bit you quoted was for people debating why fe fates wont let you freely change difficulties