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[Forbes] Sony Should Be Putting All PlayStation Exclusives On PC, Day One

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Yeah, Xbox is dead:
It's not dead. But the brand is definitely affected by the day1 release on pc. Sony should not follow suit.

Xbox is pretty much insignificant in asia because there no reason to get one when all games can be played on pc. And piracy is big in asia. I bet Starfield will be pirated day one over here.
 
If they release the PC version later, then all the PC only people who would buy it are still going to buy it (plus double dippers) so what money is being left on the table?

Exactly. And we have to keep in mind that Sony is operating with business in mind. Releasing their first party games later on pc later down the road is wiser decision business wise.
 
It's not dead. But the brand is definitely affected by the day1 release on pc. Sony should not follow suit.

Xbox is pretty much insignificant in asia because there no reason to get one when all games can be played on pc. And piracy is big in asia. I bet Starfield will be pirated day one over here.
How can it be affected? The console sells better then any gen before although this is the first gen with 100% day1 pc and xCloud releases. Doesn't make sense to me.
 

nani17

are in a big trouble
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Fahdis

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Flameshields in advance but looking at this thread, Gatekeeping Gaming Tribalism at its finest.

Why wouldn't you want other people to have experiences that are amazing? Sony makes top AAA games. This won't even matter in the next 10 years when all of you will be subbed to Cloud Services from each company anyways. Then we can all fight about who's controller or streaming codec is the best.

This godforsaken platform war will never end. I'd be happy for anyone who has access to gaming.
 
That doesn't make sense. Most Sony games last gen were landing in the 10-20 million units sold range. Its not like they are struggling to be profitable

Sony games development cost is much higher than Nintendo's. The more advanced the console the higher development cost will be.....plus most if not all Sony games are developed in the West, where salary is much higher than Japanese salary
 
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Topher

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Btw for people who keep asking “why not Nintendo” well their games sell like 30 mil with no price cuts. They are the only of the big 3 that can get away with that.

There’s your answer

But they could make even more so that is not an answer.

Sony games development cost is much higher than Nintendo's. The more advanced the console the higher development cost will be.....plus most if not all Sony games are developed in the West, where salary is much higher than Japanese salary

Even more reason for Nintendo to make even larger profits.
 

Yoboman

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Sony games development cost is much higher than Nintendo's. The more advanced the console the higher development cost will be.....plus most if not all Sony games are developed in the West, where salary is much higher than Japanese salary
Irrelevent when sales are that high. They aren't making games on budgets that require 10 million sales to be profitable. Obviously squeezing a bit more profit out of PC helps but the same would be true for Nintendo
 
Sony games development cost is much higher than Nintendo's. The more advanced the console the higher development cost will be.....plus most if not all Sony games are developed in the West, where salary is much higher than Japanese salary
The thing is Nintendo could really lose many customers. Unlike Sony games Nintendo games can run on any Fortnite/Minecraft potatoe pc. Hell, even a 50 bucks SFF i5 from 2011 + a 50 bucks 1030 could run them. That's one third of a Switch. The Steam Deck makes it even worse because that pc also covers Nintendo's unique selling point and has more power and support for 3rd party games.
Whats the benefit to them doing day one releases on PC?
The pc sales would profit from the console marketing and they would get rid of pc gamers "blocking" a PS5 just for some exclusives.
 
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Topher

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Nope. Nintendo will not lower the value of their IPs and brand for some chump change

So bringing a game to PC lowers its value, huh? That's the same argument a lot of Sony fans make and, by the way, let's not pretend PlayStation wasn't making a ton of money for Sony before they went down this PC porting road. Sorry, you want to have this argument both ways, but you just can't.
 

DenchDeckard

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Once the shareholders see the numbers, and that ps5 is down vs PS4 due to manufacturing issues they will be demanding it too.

in this hell hole of manufacturing issues it’s the easiest option for Sony to recoup costs of these huge triple A one and done story games and I’m sure the shareholders will demand it.

it probably won’t be days one but I can see it being 6 to 12 months.

that or they stretch out cross gen for longer, they have no other options if the user base isn’t as high as the PS4 and even then the cost to make games will only increase and they will need to find other avenues to create revenue opportunities and that’s PC.
 
The thing is Nintendo could really lose many customers. Unlike Sony games Nintendo games can run on almost any Fortnite/Minecraft potatoe pc and the Steam Deck makes it even worse because that pc also covers Nintendo's unique selling point and has more power and support for 3rd party games.

So bringing a game to PC lowers its value, huh? That's the same argument a lot of Sony fans make and, by the way, let's not pretend PlayStation wasn't making a ton of money for Sony before they went down this PC porting road. Sorry, you want to have this argument both ways, but you just can't.

If Nintendo didn't bring their games to PC during Wii U hard time, they will definitely not bring them now when they're swimming with cash, have the best selling console and have multiple IPs selling 20-40 millions copies
 

Yoboman

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If Nintendo didn't bring their games to PC during Wii U hard time, they will definitely not bring them now when they're swimming with cash, have the best selling console and have multiple IPs selling 20-40 millions copies
Nintendo have a long history of being unable to sustain success over generations. There's no guarantees in five years they haven't done another WiiU
 

Topher

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If Nintendo didn't bring their games to PC during Wii U hard time, they will definitely not bring them now when they're swimming with cash, have the best selling console and have multiple IPs selling 20-40 millions copies

But they brought their IPs to smart phones. Why would they lower Mario Kart to that level when it sells 20-40 million copies on Switch? Oh....right. To make more money.
 
Nintendo have a long history of being unable to sustain success over generations. There's no guarantees in five years they haven't done another WiiU

Nintendo has strong walled garden; their IPs and Japanese market; It's been proven, it will protect them during hard time
 
But they brought their IPs to smart phones. Why would they lower Mario Kart to that level when it sells 20-40 million copies on Switch? Oh....right. To make more money.

Mobile is a completely different ecosystem/platform, different type of games, and Nintendo has no mobile hardware/platform to sell
 
That doesn't make sense. Most Sony games last gen were landing in the 10-20 million units sold range. Its not like they are struggling to be profitable

Let me emphasize [With no discounts] unlike Sony Nintendo doesn’t count bundled discounted copies , also Nintendo games don’t go on sale all Sonys games are inevitably discounted to dirt cheap prices.
 

Topher

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Mobile is a completely different ecosystem/platform, different type of games, and Nintendo has no mobile hardware/platform to sell

PC is a completely different ecosystem/platform. Mario Kart is still Mario Kart. Nintendo has no PC hardware/platform to sell.

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Snake29

RSI Employee of the Year
The fun thing about these console games on pc, is that these PlayStation games support the latest tech better then xbox studios their games on pc. Tech like DLSS, FSR, DLDSR, DX12, Reflex.
 
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Yoboman

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Let me emphasize [With no discounts] unlike Sony Nintendo doesn’t count bundled discounted copies , also Nintendo games don’t go on sale all Sonys games are inevitably discounted to dirt cheap prices.
Nintendo doesn't count bundled copies? Citation needed

Besides, its not relevant. Whether they sell 30 million or 40 million, they can still sell even further on PC
 

ZehDon

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People always seem to miss the reasoning behind Microsoft's multi-platform approach when they write these kinds of silly articles.

Sony didn't just win one generation. Sony won the entire console war. They walked into the industry, de-throned Nintendo in one go, and haven't been shifted from the top dog position in five generations. At some point, you have to call it quits folks. Nintendo called it quits with the Wii. They straight up stopped trying to compete on technology and appealing to "gamers", and instead shifted to rely on using their un-matched design, innovation, and broad appeal to carve out a niche. With the Switch, they've proven the genius of their strategy again.
Over on team green, Microsoft tried to go big with the Xbone, and it damn near killed them. In fact, they're still in re-build mode. So, Microsoft called it quits - and rightfully so. They can't continue to play the game Sony is playing, so they decided to play a different one. They'll still sell plenty of Xbox consoles - but those consoles are now basically cost effective gaming PCs for folks who can't afford actual gaming PCs. PC, Xbox - they're just access points for Microsoft's services, like Gamepass. Microsoft's multi-platform subscription approach is bold, and its already showing great success. By selling their titles on Xbox and PC, they also maximise the revenue they can bring in on sold titles, meaning even if their Xbox consoles don't sell incredibly well - and, so far, they are - they can still make plenty of money.
Sony's playing the OG Console war game because it's the game they already won. They don't need PC sales to make up for lack of hardware units sold because that's never been an issue. They don't need multiplatform subscription models because they jacked up their retail prices by 25% AUD and people are still paying it. Sony is sitting in the top dog position, so they get to enjoy the benefits that position brings. PC releases are, to them, little more than advertising that people pay for to drive interest in their newest console sequel. I doubt that will change so long as they're in position 1. An extra 5 million PC sales is absolutely nothing compared to an extra 5 million console owners. Those 5 million owners will drive an insane amount of money for Sony, because they own the platform. So, sure, they'll release some titles on PC - but only after they've served their purpose of driving console sales. Then, they'll shift their purpose to drive interest in the sequels to those titles that are releasing exclusively on PlayStation. It's a smart play, and Sony will continue to laugh all the way to bank.
 
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Nintendo doesn't count bundled copies? Citation needed

Besides, its not relevant. Whether they sell 30 million or 40 million, they can still sell even further on PC

They count bundles but they aren’t discounted. For example the MK8bundle was $359.00 USD where as the Spider-Man Or Uncharted bundle for example was $299.99 on PS4. Sony counts all those as copies sold.
 

Kagey K

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Now that they have seen how much money Xbox players bring with MLB they are looking at that pie. :messenger_winking:
 
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Yoboman

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It’s relevant because if Sony wants to make more money they need to expand to PC and they will eventually release all their games simultaneously on steam and PS.
Sony have gone from struggling to crack 2 million regularly to multiple games hitting the 20 million mark in the space of a generation.

Nintendo have also more or less doubled the sales of all its major IPs compared to a decade ago

Neither have necessarily majorly shifted the amount of hardware they are selling, they just dramatically improved attachment rate and for Sony improved their first party reputation (Nintendos already being good).

There's a ceiling but its closer to what Nintendo are doing than what Sony are. If anything there is more incentive to Nintendo to explore PC because how much more growth are they going to see over the peaks they are hitting now?
 
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bender

What time is it?
Delaying your releases gives people a reason to buy your hardware and into your ecosystem that could lead to subscription services. They also don't have to pay a cut to a store front like they do for PC sales. I doubt double dips are of any significance but there is also that. Staggered releases make the most sense.
 

Paasei

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It would solve the PS5 availability issue for quite some people, as they are now at least able to play the games released on there.
 
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Mr Branding

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Agree with the article. Have no interest in the Ps ecosystem but would love to play some select ‘exclusives’ on pc day 1
 

STARSBarry

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No.

First party exclusives benefit from being designed around a set spec and utilising all unique aspects of the hardware. It should be the job of third party port houses to figure out how to translate that to PC after the fact.

If PC is considered for launch, I feel like we would lose exclusives that truly take advantage of the console hardware and instead just feel like third party PC ports.

I would agree with this if it was not for the fact Sony is currently Gimping and unless announced otherwise continuing to gimp all its exclusives by releasing for PS4, PS4 Pro & PS5.

I will put this right out there that the base PS4 spec will be forcing games to be gimped by developers far more than if they decided to support PC, because we have a "minimum requirements" that are for example far above that for the likes of God of War, Horizon etc.

Once Sony manage to figure our that cross generation games are not next gen titles, yeah OK those should have more time in the oven before coming to PC for sure.
 
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