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Formula One Season 2021 | OT | Welcome to the Pirhana Club

cormack12

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Be interesting to see if we get another safety towards the end

Edit: red flag, oof
 
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Hamilton literally rear ended Verstappen while Verstappen was giving the position so he would avoid the penalty, yet was given anyway. What a load of bullshit.
 

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Hamilton literally rear ended Verstappen while Verstappen was giving the position so he would avoid the penalty, yet was given anyway. What a load of bullshit.

Yeah that looked like he just lost concentration to me that. Then tried to shout about brake checking. I didnt see that personally
 

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I have never seen a race like that. Max keeps it entertaining but I believe this race will have consequences for him. That was not brake check, just pure communication error.
 

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Absolutely fucking terrible race direction and control. It's not been great this year, but this takes the clown shoes to another level.
 

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He isn't to blame.

He was told to slow, so he did. The problem was race control hadn't made sure Merc and Lewis also knew. But Lewis slowed right down too because he didn't want Max having DRS into first turn.

The situation should never have been allowed to play out like that. Massi is a fucking joke.
 
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This is very simple, both drivers were clearly thinking about getting DRS, only one crashed into the other car.

This Mercedes logic that Lewis didn't know Max was letting him through makes no sense. I don't know how Hamilton became a 7 time WDC without knowing he can overtake cars during a race. I'm also surprised how he survives every race, so many lapped cars slowing down on the racing line to let him through and he never crashes, truly a miracle.
 

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Doesn't matter now. Max gets 15 second penalty. A 5 for the advantage when leaving the track and 10 for being the predominant factor in the collision (breaks were depressed).

All in all, nothing and as we were previously heading into Abu Dhabi
 

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Joke decision, just saw the telemetry. Max did nothing wrong, they just want as many eyes on the final race as possible.

Yep, Max brake tested Lewis and only got 10s. He is very lucky it was not a more severe penalty.

Max is the dirtiest driver in the sports history. Makes Michael and Senna look like saints.
 
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Yep, Max brake tested Lewis and only got 10s. He is very lucky it was not a more severe penalty.

Max is the dirtiest driver in the sports history. Makes Michael and Senna look like saints.
Stop talking out of your ass. Max is more comparable to Senna and Schumacher in the sense that he has to push the car to its limit to actually win in this 2nd half of the season. Those who have watched f1 in the Mercedes Lewis era seem to think racing is when everyone moves aside for Mercedes with no challenge.
 
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Hamilton can still score fastest lap with front like this



Shows you the big discrepancies between mercs and the other team
 
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Yep, Max brake tested Lewis and only got 10s. He is very lucky it was not a more severe penalty.

Max is the dirtiest driver in the sports history. Makes Michael and Senna look like saints.


What happened to reasoned discussion and subtilty... I understand that right now we can only consider a couple months of collective memory but why call out someone in a sport that effectively started in 1946 and claim that 66 years only NOW this guy is the dirtiest driver ever.

Just say you dont like him and thats fine.
 

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What happened to reasoned discussion and subtilty... I understand that right now we can only consider a couple months of collective memory but why call out someone in a sport that effectively started in 1946 and claim that 66 years only NOW this guy is the dirtiest driver ever.

Just say you dont like him and thats fine.

As bad as Senna and MSC were they never resorted to brake testing anybody during a race.

I am aware Keke has brake tested rookies during practice sessions and he was read the riot act for such behaviour.

The bottom line is that brake testing is one of the biggest no-no's in Motorsport and Max is fine with pulling such a move.

If he wanted to legitimately play DRS chicken safely there are ways to do so like sticking to one side of the track and pulling the move when Hamilton is not in the slipstream.

We have lots of current or ex drivers all saying that Max was well over the line and hia driving standards were atrocious. When will Max fans accept the facts, Max does not race fairly.

As for not liking him I prefer Hamilton but had no real dislike for Max until SA and even now I don't really dislike him but I do think he is dirty.

Edit to add: In addition you talk about subtlety, there is no subtlety. Max brake tested a competitor, there is nothing subtle about it, there is no nuance to discuss.
 
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As bad as Senna and MSC were they never resorted to brake testing anybody during a race.

I am aware Keke has brake tested rookies during practice sessions and he was read the riot act for such behaviour.

The bottom line is that brake testing is one of the biggest no-no's in Motorsport and Max is fine with pulling such a move.

If he wanted to legitimately play DRS chicken safely there are ways to do so like sticking to one side of the track and pulling the move when Hamilton is not in the slipstream.

We have lots of current or ex drivers all saying that Max was well over the line and hia driving standards were atrocious. When will Max fans accept the facts, Max does not race fairly.

As for not liking him I prefer Hamilton but had no real dislike for Max until SA and even now I don't really dislike him but I do think he is dirty.

Edit to add: In addition you talk about subtlety, there is no subtlety. Max brake tested a competitor, there is nothing subtle about it, there is no nuance to discuss.


This is all fine. Call him dirty and back it up. But to just say he is the dirtiest F1 racer of all time just screams hyperbole to me. Maybe I dont know that much, I didnt watch F1 in the 50s-80s so maybe he is the dirtiest. It just seemed like a super over the top statement.

Personally I was a huge Schumacher fan but I am rooting for Hamilton just to see his record get broken.
 
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When Max rejoined perpendicular to the track simply to push Lewisha Milton wide and maintain position was enough to show this guy can be super reckless.

Max says he’s super calm and cool about everything on camera but on track he’s clearly not.

The last race is certainly going to be exciting.
 

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This is all fine. Call him dirty and back it up. But to just say he is the dirtiest F1 racer of all time just screams hyperbole to me. Maybe I dont know that much, I didnt watch F1 in the 50s-80s so maybe he is the dirtiest. It just seemed like a super over the top statement.

Personally I was a huge Schumacher fan but I am rooting for Hamilton just to see his record get broken.

In the 80's and earlier brake testing could be life thretening so it was never done. In fact before the halo a brake check could be life threatening if done at full speed.

Now max did not do one at full speed so the danger was much lower but it is was still a hugely inappropriate move that I have never seen in an F1 race before.
 
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In the 80's and earlier brake testing could be life thretening so it was never done. In fact before the halo a brake check could be life threatening if done at full speed.

Now max did not do one at full speed so the danger was much lower but it is was still a hugely inappropriate move that I have never seen in an F1 race before.

This is what a 10 second penalty for Hamilton looks like in case you've forgotten.

 

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I just wanna say i hope max wins.

Not because he's a good guy or anything lol but because between them Hamilton and Vettel have conspired to totally nuke all interest i have in this sport.

The fact that I've written this post is testament to how Verstappen's challenge this season has supercharged the appeal of the whole thing for me.
 
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I just wanna say i hope max wins.

Not because he's a good guy or anything lol but because between them Hamilton and Vettel have conspired to totally nuke all interest i have in this sport.

The fact that I've written this post is testament to how Verstappen's challenge this season has supercharged the appeal of the whole thing for me.

Next year's going to be a whole new kettle of fish. Those new cars should be fucking spectacular, compared to the dull, over-engineered, anti-competitive corporate billboards we've had for the past seven years.
 
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This is all fine. Call him dirty and back it up. But to just say he is the dirtiest F1 racer of all time just screams hyperbole to me. Maybe I dont know that much, I didnt watch F1 in the 50s-80s so maybe he is the dirtiest. It just seemed like a super over the top statement.

I've watched F1 since the late eighties, and have gone back and watched races going back to the sixties.

Verstappen is an angelic little boy compared to some of the shenanigans they got up to when it was a hard man's sport.
 
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I wont be able to watch live ... going to have to stay away from spoilers and watch a couple hours later.
 

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Let’s see how the strategies play out. Hoping Ham comes out on top. Piastri wins F2 as a rookie after winning F3 as a rookie and Formula Renault. Hoping he gets a seat in 2023.
 

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Will it be the Vertsappening or Vercrappen?

I think Lewis is gonna win and easily tbh. Not being a hardcore fan I'm just glad there's a real rivalry this close.

I respect what Lewis has done and his talent but human nature makes you root a little for the underdog right?
 

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Will it be the Vertsappening or Vercrappen?

I think Lewis is gonna win and easily tbh. Not being a hardcore fan I'm just glad there's a real rivalry this close.

I respect what Lewis has done and his talent but human nature makes you root a little for the underdog right?
Hamilton with a car 15 km/h faster on straigh than others are underdog?🤣
 
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cormack12

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Everyone not riding the black car is

Ok the red bull car is maybe slightly better than merc in slow corner but thats it the advantage they have

Thing is though, if we took merc out the equation wouldnt RBR have the same advantage over the rest of the pack?

Lewis should have to give that place back.

Edit: no investigation necessary.
 
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What a shit show. Hamilton leaving space for almost two cars to be overtaken, then turning into Max only to turning outside then and calling it "forcing me off".

Also, that the stewards don't do anything against the shit they done in Q2 at the end.

Absolut pathetic and embarrassing.
 

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Basically the wear on hamiltons tyres versus verstappen doing a perfect 20 laps