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[Victor Omega]

No other IP have has been able to go toe to toe with the likes of Gran Turismo in the console space.

No matter where you fall in which is the best, having competition give us the gamers, games.

Both IPS show off the full power of their parent console. Shows off different approach to the same genre.

But why is that same competition in having exclusive variants in othergames genre now a taboo?

Final fantasy before Phantasy Star
Mario begot Sonic.

Even outside of gaming, exclusive content is nessassary. There is content you can get on HBO+ that you can't on Disney+ and vis versa.

Is it such a taboo to want Xbox to have its own exclusive catalog of games in every genre?

 

[killatopak]

Taboo? Since when?

 

[bender]

Is it such a taboo to want Xbox to have its own exclusive catalog of games in every genre?

 

[Crayon]

This is incomprehensible, bud.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Don't understand the thread

But fuck Xbox anyway

 

[R3TRODYCE]

I’m slightly confused.

 

[Flutta]

 

[M1chl]

* Forza Horizon only

 

[Skifi28]

Would have been a far better discussion before the release of the new Forza.

 

[LectureMaster]

Is it such a taboo to want Xbox to have its own exclusive catalog of games in every genre?

You got it the other way, people always want great Xbox 1st party games, especially after they bought so many renowned studios. It is just that MS failed to delivery.

 

[T-0800]

Xbox is trying really hard guys. Why can't you all be nice.

 

[Gojiira]

The fuck are you talking about? Its Xbox themselves that say they cant compete…Gamers only care about the competition leading to GOOD games consistently and that is the issue with Xbox…

The other issue is with Xbox going out of its way to buy publishers with very similar games, its going to just oversaturate its own library especially since so many will play very similarly too…

 

[SimTourist]

 

[Laieon]

No other IP have has been able to go toe to toe with the likes of Gran Turismo in the console space.

Mario Kart exists.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Mario Kart exists.

You really going to lump that in are you

 

[DEAD ORIGINAL]

Why does this sound like a political campaign?

 

[phaedrus]

Xbox is trying really hard guys. Why can't you all be nice.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I mean… they have numerous long running franchises that have sold a lot and are successful. It’s not like Forza is the only one.

 

[tusharngf]

forza horizon definitely can but they have 25-plus studios. Other studio needs to put some games with 90% Metacritic rating.

 

[Optimus Lime]

Is it such a taboo to want Xbox to have its own exclusive catalog of games in every genre?

Not only is it not a taboo, it's the one thing that could help restore some of their market share.

This thread is strange.

 

[Varteras]

Motherfucker, were you drunk when you typed this?

 

[Jigsaah]

No other IP have has been able to go toe to toe with the likes of Gran Turismo in the console space.

No matter where you fall in which is the best, having competition give us the gamers, games.

Both IPS show off the full power of their parent console. Shows off different approach to the same genre.

But why is that same competition in having exclusive variants in othergames genre now a taboo?

Final fantasy before Phantasy Star
Mario begot Sonic.

Even outside of gaming, exclusive content is nessassary. There is content you can get on HBO+ that you can't on Disney+ and vis versa.

Is it such a taboo to want Xbox to have its own exclusive catalog of games in every genre?

I don't think I've said "Wat?" more times while reading an OP.

 

[Krieger]

Xbox needs to hire some better green rats for their shilling. This shit reads like it was written by a Chinese knock off AI, but first in Chinese before it got translated into English.

 

[Robb]

So does Halo, Fable, Gears of War etc.

Problem is MS has just mismanaged all of their prior heavy hitters to the point of irrelevance while simultaneously failing to create new widely popular IP’s.

 

[Ar¢tos]

The bargaining stage is coming!

 

[Withnail]

I expect we’ll see many more threads like this as Xbox fans slowly come to terms with MS becoming a third party publisher.

 

[StealthGoblin]

I had always assumed Forza Motorsport had sold really well for there to be so many interactions in a short period of time, but when I looked at the sales data it shocked me.

 

[silent head]

 

[Godot25]

Lol. Plenty of Xbox exclusives are successful.

It's just. They are not as successful according to NeoGAF metrics. Which is pure sales.

Anybody who can tell me with straight face that games like Grounded, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Starfield, Age of Empires IV, Sea of Thieves etc are not successful is smoking something.

 

[cireza]

Final fantasy before Phantasy Star

Nope. Released pretty much at the same time and PS looked like a next gen game compared to FF.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Toe to toe?

Didn't the latest current-gen Forza lose a DF comparison to an older cross-gen GT?

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Lol. Plenty of Xbox exclusives are successful.

It's just. They are not as successful according to NeoGAF metrics. Which is pure sales.

Anybody who can tell me with straight face that games like Grounded, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Starfield, Age of Empires IV, Sea of Thieves etc are not successful is smoking something.

It really depends what metric you want to take into consideration.
Sales? Lifetime Players? Monthly Players? Critics Reviews? User Reviews? Ability to boost subscription service users? Ability to boost console sales? Number of awards? Number of nominations?.
My point is, we can choose pretty much any game and metric and call it was a success or failure based on that.

 

[Godot25]

It really depends what metric you want to take into consideration.
Sales? Lifetime Players? Monthly Players? Critics Reviews? User Reviews? Ability to boost subscription service users? Ability to boost console sales? Number of awards? Number of nominations?.

Yup.
Sea of Thieves is great example. People laughed at that game during release, but I would not be surprised if that game made a lot more money since release as some "successful" and "best selling" PlayStation exclusive. And it's without a doubt most successful Rare game.
Grounded was developed by 20 people. Did it broke sales metrics? Nope. But it didn't need to considering production cost and ROI on that game is probably great.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

GPT AstroTurf?

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

It really depends what metric you want to take into consideration.
Sales? Lifetime Players? Monthly Players? Critics Reviews? User Reviews? Ability to boost subscription service users? Ability to boost console sales? Number of awards? Number of nominations?.
My point is, we can choose pretty much any game and metric and call it was a success or failure based on that.

You forgot engagement

 

[SmokedMeat]

Mario Kart exists.

We’re talking about real racing games.

 

[Topher]

 

[BlueLyria]

A new level of Schizo posting

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Toe to Toe with GT? By what metric?

And what exactly is the point of this thread? Genuinely curious.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

They are not as successful according to NeoGAF metrics. Which is pure sales.

Name metrics that are not sales then: how much profit the game generates, how many GP subscribers it won over, how many of them stayed with GP afterwards. You don’t have those numbers, it’s almost like MS is hiding them for come reason idk.

 

[Godot25]

Name metrics that are not sales then: how much profit the game generates, how many GP subscribers it won over, how many of them stayed with GP afterwards. You don’t have those numbers, it’s almost like MS is hiding them for come reason idk.

Since Microsoft is releasing all their games in sub service day one, you clearly can't just look at sales number and decide if game was successful or not. Everybody who is saying otherwise is stupid.

Metrics you provide are exactly the metrics Microsoft is looking for with their first-party releases in addition to sales. How many people subscribed to Game Pass because of X game? How many months those people stayed subscribed? That's exactly why their goal is at least 1 big first-party game per quarter. Data is probably telling them that this is cadence to sustain subscribers or growing service.

I agree that Microsoft should me more straightforward with some of the metrics, but that doesn't excuse dumb people on internet claiming "XYZ game is not successful" if they don't have clear picture. It's as stupid as trying to claim if Gran Turismo 7 is successful or not without at least fraction of data from Sony.

Hell. We have hard numbers that Forza Horizon 5 exceeded 35 million players, Steam sales data estimation are available and there are still people who try to claim that game is not successful because Microsoft won't provide actual sales despite them knowing that Microsoft is just not providing sales data for their games because they are not painting full picture.

 

[Spyxos]

 

[mitch1971]

Why do people try to provide answers to questions nobody asked?

 

[Thirty7ven]

We’re talking about real racing games.

You mean like.. Forza Horizon? So real, too real, the realest.

 

[keraj37]

I think you are right.
On the second thought, no, you are not right.

 

[SmokedMeat]

You mean like.. Forza Horizon? So real, too real, the realest.

Forza Motorsport obviously. The more boring style of the two, like Gran Turismo.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Like this thread reads like an insecure young fan that can't comprehend the issues.

It doesn't help that it reads rather poorly.

 

[FatallyYours]

You sneaky bugger, shitposting when the mods are asleep

 

[mejin]

 

[xrnzaaas]

Why does this sound like a political campaign?

Let's make Forza great again... from the ground up.