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[Halo is Back]

Just as absurd as "we" will never recover from a pandemic. How many people will be made homeless or die in the meantime is the question. Everyone in the restaurant my brother works at had been unemployed for months and the hotel I'm currently staying at has laid off over half of the staff.

So let me get this straight. Germany, a country absolutely devastated by 2 world wars to near collapse just a few decades apart from one another was able to pick itself back up and prosper as an important world leader but the US can't survive a few months of "lockdown". The nation will bounce back I have no doubt once the lockdown is lifted stores will re-open, people will flock to buy their stupid shit and with the cash coming back in and your brother will easily find another service/ restaurant job. Im not saying this isn't going to wreck people's lives, but this is far from doom for the entire nation. If we never took any precautions we would end up just like Italy and the economy would be worse off in the long run.

 

[Djau]

So let me get this straight. Germany, a country absolutely devastated by 2 world wars to near collapse just a few decades apart from one another was able to pick itself back up and prosper as an important world leader but the US can't survive a few months of "lockdown". The nation will bounce back I have no doubt once the lockdown is lifted stores will re-open, people will flock to buy their stupid shit and with the cash coming back in and your brother will easily find another service/ restaurant job. Im not saying this isn't going to wreck people's lives, but this is far from doom for the entire nation. If we never took any precautions we would end up just like Italy and the economy would be worse off in the long run.

Exactly right. Most of the pain the country is suffering is self-inflicted as well.

 

[cryptoadam]

Sorry to vent, but the thread over at reset about Texas reopening is irritating the shit out of me. All the hand wringing, the “FML”. Jesus. We had very few hospitalizations and very few deaths. Say what you want about testing, but the data about what happened was there and we are relatively in good shape. You know, science. Data.


I don’t know where their head is at.

Because Texas is a red state and they are convinced that Red states are all Italy and secretly hiding all their cases and deaths. They think all Red states are death traps. Even though 75% of cases are in blue states and 83% of deaths too.

Its funny reading their board and seeing them all say oh I am so glad I live in a blue state, republicans are going to kill americans blah blah blah. Nah fam if your in a blue state your probably in a lot more danger.

 

[cryptoadam]

It’s not happening where I am I can believe Quebec, (the worst of all provinces) is reopening elementary schools, where the kids eat and drool on everything, but not high schools where they could actually be responsible.


This is backwards and fucked up to me.

Its because we need babysitters for our kids. But Legault says the situation is under control outside the CHLSD's, and dumber than a Plan Plante is worried about her BIXI bikes.

We are going Sweden herd immunity style. Legault is just being quite about it after getting blasted by the media's when he announced it a few days ago.

We should consider that 75% of our deaths were confined to CHLSD's and no one under 40 has died from this. 40 people under 60 have died. Is that comforting enough to start thinking about re opening meh I don't know. I work from home and don't really care much about going out so it doesn't effect me either way.

We have barely had a lock down here anyways and I see people out and about all the time. Line ups for every grocery store, people in parks, people driving around. If we consider that outside of CHLSD's we have something like 400 deaths and they are essentially all seniors I don't think we got hit too hard. Worse than every where else in Canada, but we never became a horror show like NYC or Italy.

 

[Romulus]

I'm not sure how I feel about it. It seems like people are still being infected pretty often while in lockdown. I've known 4 people total and one died. Lifting it just makes sense there might be many more. On the other hand, we can't stay home forever.

 

[cryptoadam]

So a question. If 25% of NYC has/had the corona chan if we go by Cuomo. Is the drop in cases from their lock down or from them getting closer to herd immunity?

If densly populated areas are hitting 15-20-25% people infected then cases would start dropping due to the fact that there are fewer people to infect so the virus has less chance to jump around.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

I would hope this shows people the importance of safety nets in times of crisis like this; are absolutely vital to the epidemic process.

yes this is the time for the "progressives" to really step up and offer drastic improvements to the social safety nets

very disappointing they are wasting that political capital on covering for a status quo supporting rapist instead

Dems failure to support M4A or push an equivalent during this time of crisis is just revealing the vast extent of their cowardice.

 

[Moogle11]

I'm not sure how I feel about it. It seems like people are still being infected pretty often while in lockdown. I've known 4 people total and one died. Lifting it just makes sense there might be many more. On the other hand, we can't stay home forever.

That’s why it just needs to be done carefully and locally and at the least sticking to the federal guidelines. It’s likely fine to start the phase one reopening in rural areas and small towns that never got hit hard. It will probably be ok to start phase one next month in some places that got hit hard but are showing the 14 days or more of decline in percent of positive tests.

What isn’t wise is opening statewide rather than at the local level or jumping to some phase two things and reopening close contact businesses (barber shops, massage places etc) like we’re seeing in Georgia and some other places hst still have active hot spots.

 

[TylerD]

yes this is the time for the "progressives" to really step up and offer drastic improvements to the social safety nets

very disappointing they are wasting that political capital on covering for a status quo supporting rapist instead

Dems failure to support M4A or push an equivalent during this time of crisis is just revealing the vast extent of their cowardice.

So they should be pushing something that would just die in the Senate and essentially be wasting time during this crisis.

 

[BigBooper]

So let me get this straight. Germany, a country absolutely devastated by 2 world wars to near collapse just a few decades apart from one another was able to pick itself back up and prosper as an important world leader but the US can't survive a few months of "lockdown". The nation will bounce back I have no doubt once the lockdown is lifted stores will re-open, people will flock to buy their stupid shit and with the cash coming back in and your brother will easily find another service/ restaurant job. Im not saying this isn't going to wreck people's lives, but this is far from doom for the entire nation. If we never took any precautions we would end up just like Italy and the economy would be worse off in the long run.

You can't see the trees for the forrest. It's not a question of if the US economy will bounce back. It's a question of how much harm will be caused in the mean time.

I don't expect you can view people as individuals apart from the collective, so it appears this discussion's going nowhere.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

So they should be pushing something that would just die in the Senate and essentially be wasting time during this crisis.

ah yes the "why try to do anything, it will fail?" excuse.

yes, "why address the suffering of millions of people, it might be hard? by the way TRUMP HAS LIVES ON HIS HANDS!"

our brave leaders, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[Halo is Back]

You can't see the trees for the forrest. It's not a question of if the US economy will bounce back. It's a question of how much harm will be caused in the mean time.

I don't expect you can view people as individuals apart from the collective, so it appears this discussion's going nowhere.

Like I said before, if we never made any precautions the economy would be in far worse state. Further more you want to talk about individuals. How about all of the individuals that work in the health care system, they would be far greater fucked then they are now. The system would be on the brink of collapse. Please remember that this is only temporary, the economy and unemployed numbers are scary now but the economy is ever flowing.

 

[Romulus]

That’s why it just needs to be done carefully and locally and at the least sticking to the federal guidelines. It’s likely fine to start the phase one reopening in rural areas and small towns that never got hit hard. It will probably be ok to start phase one next month in some places that got hit hard but are showing the 14 days or more of decline in percent of positive tests.

What isn’t wise is opening statewide rather than at the local level or jumping to some phase two things and reopening close contact businesses (barber shops, massage places etc) like we’re seeing in Georgia and some other places hst still have active hot spots.

The 4 people that I know contracted Cov19 were from a city of less than 22,000 and were having very minimal contact with the outside world. We'll see what happens.

 

[RealGassy]

Like I said before, if we never made any precautions the economy would be in far worse state.

Arguable.
1-2 months of lockdown max for prep (which should have been done and in place long ago), and from there on only isolate at risk people.

Anything other than that is madness and not feasible long term.

 

[Halo is Back]

Arguable.
1-2 months of lockdown max for prep (which should have been done and in place long ago), and from there on only isolate at risk people.

Anything other than that is madness and not feasible long term.

I think shit should be locked down through May. Come the end of May business could start opening with safety precautions in place.

 

[Moogle11]

ah yes the "why try to do anything, it will fail?" excuse.

yes, "why address the suffering of millions of people, it might be hard? by the way TRUMP HAS LIVES ON HIS HANDS!"

our brave leaders, ladies and gentlemen.

The way for progressives to try to get better social safety nets in place is to do all they can to win the white house and a senate majority in the fall. That said, I do agree they should try legislation now. The senate will vote it down, but that’s more ammunition that can be used by those running against senators who vote against it.

 

[Moogle11]

The 4 people that I know contracted Cov19 were from a city of less than 22,000 and were having very minimal contact with the outside world. We'll see what happens.

Keep in mind the shutdown and phased reopening plan are about keeping the health care system from getting overwhelmed, not doing absolutely all that can be done to minimize lives lost. The US, for better or worse, doesn’t have the social safety nets or cultural beliefs to shut down strictly enough or long enough to truly minimize lives lost.

So I wasn’t meaning that rural areas and small towns that weren’t hit hard could begin phase 1 with no uptick in cases or deaths. There almost definitely will be some. It’s that those places can start phase one with it being unlikely to get a surge that overwhelms hospitals. The places that are still hot spots—be it big cities or rural counties like those around Albany, GA—are at much greater risk of having a second peak and getting overwhelmed And should still be shut down.

 

[Romulus]

Keep in mind the shutdown and phased reopening plan are about keeping the health care system from getting overwhelmed, not doing absolutely all that can be done to minimize lives lost. The US, for better or worse, doesn’t have the social safety nets or cultural beliefs to shut down strictly enough or long enough to truly minimize lives lost.

So I wasn’t meaning that rural areas and small towns that weren’t hit hard could begin phase 1 with no uptick in cases or deaths. There almost definitely will be some. It’s that those places can start phase one with it being unlikely to get a surge that overwhelms hospitals. The places that are still hot spots—be it big cities or rural counties like those around Albany, GA—are at much greater risk of having a second peak and getting overwhelmed And should still be shut down.

Yeah, it will definitely take a flexible approach and people will need to be ready to shut down again just in case.

 

[HarryKS]

If they make masks mandatory, yes. They have to. Otherwise, you gonna suffer.

 

[HarryKS]

how anyone thinks they have a grasp on actual death numbers is beyond me
doctors and scientists don’t even know. Everyone that dies during this time and has COVID is listed as a COVID death.
it’s bullshit. A while ago millions of people were gonna die, now it’s 100k-240k
This whole thing has been bullshit from the jump, from the way our “leaders” have handled it, to the WHO, CDC, federal and local governements, and ESPECIALLY the media who have done nothing but spread fear and ask the president about racist flu names, or something

Where do you get your numbers from?

 

[Tesseract]

Exactly right. Most of the pain the country is suffering is self-inflicted as well.

 

[008]

I would hope this shows people the importance of safety nets in times of crisis like this; are absolutely vital to the epidemic process.

I hope people learn from this and start to save a couple of bucks from now on.

Skip the $60 video game, $70 steaks, $10 cocktails, 100” tv’s, etc.

Learn to save a couple of bucks instead of living paycheck to paycheck in America. So what about economy and GDP growth. Be smart and protect yourself.

For me, I’d say the best thing to come out of all this is the free activities. Riding your bike, going for a walk/run, visiting parks, and the likes.

 

[Moogle11]

I hope people learn from this and start to save a couple of bucks from now on.

Skip the $60 video game, $70 steaks, $10 cocktails, 100” tv’s, etc.

Learn to save a couple of bucks instead of living paycheck to paycheck in America. So what about economy and GDP growth. Be smart and protect yourself.

For me, I’d say the best thing to come out of all this is the free activities. Riding your bike, going for a walk/run, visiting parks, and the likes.

While there are definitely a ton of people who need to learn to live below their means, especially in the middle class, there are also a ton in the lower/working classes that simply aren’t paid living wages and just can’t build much savings after rent for a crappy apartment, utilities, food and toiletries. Moving to cheaper areas is often difficult as jobs are more scarce and pay even less in rural areas and small towns.

 

[Arkam]

I am all for opening things up in Phases. We cannot live life like the folks in Death Stranding. I am VERY fortunate that I can easily work from home and my company doing well during this (games). But I know a lot of folks who are close to being financially ruined cuz they are are an independent businesses (Hair, nails, etc), Bar owners, event/performance industry, gambling/casino, travel, most hospitality, etc.

Lots a people we need to find a way to give an opportunity (where we can) to make a living. Sure, totally has to be under strict guidelines that do their best to keep people safe.


That said, my ass is staying home til this blows over. Wont be going to no restaurant or theater at 25% capacity. Same for the gym....though that one saddens me

 

[Karmic Raze]

Anyone else hoping this shit continues so we get more stimulus checks?



Not that I want anyone to die or anything!

 

[Azelover]

I know this is about the disease, but..the situation with the economy is that, even before we had this "Black Swan" event(something unexpected, in this case Covid-19), we were already going to hell in a hand basket.. In 2008 the system changed, and what we have now is a fairy tale economy that was hanging from a thread anyway...this will really fuck it up in the mid to long term..

And we're not feeling the effects of it yet. It's gonna roll out through next year and beyond. The entire global financial system is gonna RESET. And that means, A LOT of shit is gonna go down.

And I wish I had a financial bunker, or a place to go so I could point to safety. But the truth is, everybody is gonna feel this to some degree. Hard, hard times are ahead of us. We'll get through it, but when it really goes down, don't expect everything to go away by itself. This will last many many years..

 

[Sakura Doritos]

You act as if we will never recover economically from a lockdown which is absurd.

There is 0 data to show that we will. The longer we wait the more debt we will be taking on. The less purchasing power and leverage our currency will have. These are not hypotheticals.

Your scenario is the hypothetical and one I hope and pray comes to fruition. We will never go back to pre-Covid normals.

 

[Halo is Back]

There is 0 data to show that we will. The longer we wait the more debt we will be taking on. The less purchasing power and leverage our currency will have. These are not hypotheticals.

Your scenario is the hypothetical and one I hope and pray comes to fruition. We will never go back to pre-Covid normals.

Do you have data to prove the opposite? You should relax mate. Once things re-open the economy will kick back in. Im not saying its goin to be alright immediately, but we as a nation and the world WILL get through this. You are just panicking right now. I refuse to believe that we (and the world's economy) will not prosper again. The world's economy went back to normal even after the black death and 2 world wars after some time. People are loosing their jobs because everything is being shut down. So like what, you think those business will never start hiring people again once people start buying shit?

 

[highrider]

Then your parents should stay at home.

My mother is a 60 year old emergency physician with asthma, my father (70) only has 75% lung function after a blood clot last year. I understand having parents in risk groups, especially with one who puts her life on the line every day. But this is destroying America. If this continues this may ruin us entirely and our standing in the world. This economic disaster is not only hurting us now but is destroying hope for our children’s future.

Yeah this man gets it. Looking at some of the replies in this thread it’s clear a lot of people don’t really get how fragile society is.