Silver Wattle
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A good video showing the difference RAM can make on otherwise identical cards.
I think we have crossed the point where 8GB is no longer worth buying at all but the entry level.
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[HUB] Why VRAM's so important for gaming: 4GB vs 8GB
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A good video showing the difference RAM can make on otherwise identical cards.
I think we have crossed the point where 8GB is no longer worth buying at all but the entry level.
Bojji
Member
There are games that eat more than 12GB already on some settings.
But when you know what you are doing 12GB card will serve you for years, I have 3080ti with the same "problem".
winjer
Gold Member
They already did that with several GPUS.
For example, recently they did the 4060 Ti 8Gb vs 16GB. Or the 7600 8GB vs 7600XT 16GB.
Bonfires Down
Member
I suspect that 8 GB will probably be enough for the lower end cards even in the future. But because it can be hard to determine whether VRAM is causing any issues, I’m still quite hesistant to get less than 10 GB now. Rather pay the extra and not worry about it.
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Elysium44
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And it made little or no difference in most cases IIRC. The 8GB cards will probably be fine for this generation.
Bojji
Member
Depends on the settings:
This is with 2023 games, vram requirements will only increase in the future.
Elysium44
Banned
I said it would be fine, not optimal. Worst case scenario there will be one or two games you turn down settings marginally. Requirements are not going to mushroom this gen, because of consoles. (Most people are playing at 1080p, especially with 8GB cards.)
Senua
Member
I think 8gb cards will get by ok being smart with settings and not at high resolutions. My 10gb 3080 does struggle If I push things too far at 4k but I can always find a good compromise with some tinkering. My next card though I'm going to want a nice upgrade to vram.
Senua
Member
It's complete overkill for the performance of the card but definitely nice to have
Bojji
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970 users
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The worst thing is that this fucking prosthetic 0.5GB slows down entire GPU when it's used.
I said it would be fine, not optimal. Worst case scenario there will be one or two games you turn down settings marginally. Requirements are not going to mushroom this gen, because of consoles. (Most people are playing at 1080p, especially with 8GB cards.)
I agree, most games will be playable until next gen - thanks to series S tiny RAM amount ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Who the fuck still games at 4GB? This is 2024. Whats the point of being a PC gamer if you are going to stick with 10 year old cards?
You can find most 8GB cards for around $200 nowadays.
You can find most 8GB cards for around $200 nowadays.
scoobidoo112
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P:axMagellanic
Member
Probably playing pc games and not consolised slop?
Elysium44
Banned
Not many games are PC only so I'm not sure what that means.
The comparison with 4GB is silly, the 1060 6GB was the minimum for a decent 1080p experience for many years, it held the line manfully but 8GB became the new minimum a few years ago. 4GB may work (it frequently won't) but will provide a subpar experience in a lot of cases.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
The point of the video going over the heads of several in here...
It's about how we used to say 4GB is plenty, 8GB is overkill.
Right now you guys are saying 8GB is plenty 16GB is overkill...
We have proof that 8GB is faltering.
It's about how we used to say 4GB is plenty, 8GB is overkill.
Right now you guys are saying 8GB is plenty 16GB is overkill...
We have proof that 8GB is faltering.
yamaci17
Member
the real point is that AMD was even more scummy than NVIDIA at low end on desktop. NVIDIA did give 4 gb to 3050 laptops but at least had the decency to make 8 GB a baseline for their 3050s on desktop (but they also later went on to release 8 gb 3060s and 6 gb 3050s)
whereas amd went to extremes and released 4 gb 6500xt in a lineup where 6700xt had 12 GB VRAM.
6500xt 8 gb is rare and was released by certain vendors but most 6500xts are out there are 4 GBs. it actually has decent gaming capabilities if not for its VRAM. the point is, some amd folks tried to defend this card by saying it is too poor of a card that 8 GB wouldn't matter for it, but the video proves otherwise
releasing a 4 gb 6500xt in 2022 was a disgrace to gaming community. not to mention it has a 64 bit bus and fails colossally with pcie 3 bus (most lowend midrange folks would be on pcie 3 that are the potential target of such products)
it is a horrible product overall. but 8 gb saves it a lot.
amigastar
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Senua
Member
Agreed. Though I still cannot get over how Nvidia released the 3060 successor with less Vram. God that's retarded.
LavitzSlambert
Member
The amount of VRAM effects on performance, like regular RAM, does not make a huge difference if you have enough. It makes a world of difference when you don't have enough. 12GB on a card as expensive as a 4070 is a joke in 2024, that is some 3060 bullshit. 16GB is the benchmark now, that's just how it is.
SolidQ
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Steam players with GTX 1650/1050ti say hi
Bonfires Down
Member
I didn’t even know there was such a thing as a 6500 XT. So yeah, bad card, but I assume barely anyone bought it unless they went out of their way to get the absolute cheapest stuff possible.
Spyxos
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CoreyFlawless
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Isn’t it more of a 1080 and 1440 card
Buggy Loop
Member
4GB ?
hinch7
Member
GTX cards like the 1050 Ti and 1650's are still quite popular and in active use. According to Steam Survey anyways.4GB ?
Pretty shocking though lol. Didn't even know the 6500 XT had 4GB VRAM.
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Kenpachii
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A lot of people on PC aren't playing console games on PC, they play simple stuff like league / dota / minecraft or world of warcraft a newer gpu isn't going to improve there experience much other then some higher artificial fps number.
I have a buddy that has a 1060 gtx and there is no reason for him to update because anything graphically demanding he gets on his PS5 and all he plays is games like genshi/2d games/heroes of the storm/puzzle games on his pc which a 1060 absolutely streamrolls.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Bravo, OP. This is a quality, informative thread.
We'll see where we are at by the end of next year, but I'd figure that many will be upgrading out of necessity.
We'll see where we are at by the end of next year, but I'd figure that many will be upgrading out of necessity.
Kumomeme
Member
this remind me of debate between nvidia and amd users regarding 4gb vs 8gb of vram. especially during 1060 vs 480/580 era. the other camp insist 4gb is enough even for future and 8gb is overblown and wont has performance impact that time. also remember 3.5gb vram fiasco of 970?
right now, even 8gb or more is might be not enough
right now, even 8gb or more is might be not enough
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Those use a lot of VRAM?
Griffon
Member
PC has the largest amount of exclusives.
MonkeyClaw36
Member
Word/ Excel dont use any GPU memory. But Cad or Photoshop esque apps burn thorugh it.