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[DrFigs]

man idk if games journalists are very good at what they do

 

[Doom85]

This. Only ppl jumping on this like it bad are PlayStation fanboys mostly

Calling a bunch of us “Playstation fanboys”, in a thread with multiple people claiming they “know” BG 3 didn’t sell well on PS5.

 

[Skifi28]

International Microsoft day keeps on giving. We should celebrate it every year.

 

[JTCx]

This is the kind of shit that happens when company is ran by fucks who don't understand video games.

 

[Jigsaah]

A lesson in not counting your tadpoles before they’ve hatched.

When Microsoft was considering future release titles to bring to Game Pass last May, Larian’s hit CRPG Baldur’s Gate 3 barely made the list. The game was described as a “Second-run Stadia PC RPG” in leaked emails from the FTC v. Microsoft case. The explosive overnight popularity of Baldur’s Gate...

www.theverge.com

This is astonishing. Do they have any idea how popular Divinity Original Sin 2 is on PC? Didn't they say they wanted to push PC subscribers on Gamepass because the console market had pretty much reached saturation!?

People wanted Baldur's Gate 3 because of Larian's history with Divinity. Full stop.

Everything else is a perk. The last Baldur's Gate was eons ago. Jesus Christ who is running the IP acquisition show over there. I coulda told them how big BG3 was gonna be on PC.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

You are an idiot who have problem with reading.
"Second run" literally means second release. It's not statement of percived quality of BG but accurate description of reality. It would LITERALLY be second release of RPG that had first release on Stadia. Is that this hard to understand?

Really? Thats not what the "article" says. You're very generously giving ms the benefit of the doubt here. Which is hilarious given all of the news today.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

Love that they use a Stadia comparison as a burn

 

[XXL]

They aren't wrong, nobody cares about BG3 on consoles.

HARD DISAGREE.

I'm barely sleeping rn.

 

[Three]

I'm going to take this with a pinch of salt because the source doesn't give any context or reveal the email.

 

[JokerMM]

They aren't wrong, nobody cares about BG3 on consoles.

Lol I mean. It not wrong. Ppl jumping on this right now like it bad.

They're right lol

 

[Dacvak]

Poor Phil is just straight up not having a good day. This just keeps getting worse and worse.

 

[DrFigs]

Really? Thats not what the "article" says. You're very generously giving ms the benefit of the doubt here. Which is hilarious given all of the news today.

it just seems like maybe the writer didn't know what second run meant, and probably thought it had a negative connotation like "second-rate" or "second hand".

 

[GymWolf]

 

[GHG]

You are an idiot who have problem with reading.
"Second run" literally means second release. It's not statement of percived quality of BG but accurate description of reality. It would LITERALLY be second release of RPG that had first release on Stadia. Is that this hard to understand?

That's nice and all but there's also this:

That email included a table with Microsoft’s assessments of upcoming games for potential inclusion in the company’s Game Pass subscription service.

While other titles were rated on their “wow factor” — e.g., Star Wars Jedi: Survivor was marked at very high, while Dragon Ball: The Breakers was listed as low — Baldur’s Gate 3 was marked Hub, and last on the list. (It’s unclear whether “Hub” refers to the Xbox Insiders Hub; games like Let’s Sing ABBA and Ubisoft’s Just Dance got the same distinction.)

Microsoft completely misjudged Baldur’s Gate 3

Not a great look for Microsoft

www.polygon.com

 

[DenchDeckard]

When the guy from larian responds saying there is nothing malicious about this comment, you know you're fanboy warring.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Nobody has any idea how much Google were set to pay them or how long that agreement was going to be in place for.

But it is funny when Google, who were barely dipping their toes in the water, are better at identifying potential greatness than Xbox are.

And Sony too it seems. This says to me that the game wasn't on the radar when it comes to console gamers.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And Sony too it seems. This says to me that the game wasn't on the radar when it comes to console gamers.

Sony literally had blog posts about the game breaking down features for some time prior to the PC launch, let alone consoles launch.

 

[Doom85]

HARD DISAGREE.

I'm barely sleeping rn.

Seriously, I’m not going to pretend to know sales numbers like a few people on this thread claiming they “know” BG 3 will do poorly on PS5, but I did notice yesterday that when PSN was causing a few issues with some games, BG 3 was one of them and the Reddit started getting a lot of people discussing this.

It’s not proof the game did well on PS5, but hey, it’s still more evidence than these folks who just “know” the game won’t do well on PS5.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

it just seems like maybe the writer didn't know what second run meant, and probably thought it had a negative connotation like "second-rate" or "second hand".

Maybe. I guess we'll find out for sure when all the leaks get sorted through. MS valuing them at only 5 mill for gamepass is absurd compared to the prices they've paid for others.

 

[GHG]

And Sony too it seems. This says to me that the game wasn't on the radar when it comes to console gamers.

Possibly not, but we don't have any idea what their assessment of the game was at the time, we do have Microsoft's.

Wrong. At the time bg3 was more likely gonna be exclusively stadia for a few months. These was talking about last year in may. I don’t think stadia even announced yet that they was shutting down at that time. But I could been wrong. So yes it would had been a 2nd run game. Launch on stadia first. Then maybe steam and Xbox and ps5 on their 2nd run. So yes it was a 2nd run game as plan at that time.

Steam was not excluded in any way as part of the the Stadia agreement. What are you talking about?

 

[Majukun]

calling something "second run" says nothing about quality, like said by other users.

if it barely made the list (were the games ranked by priority?) would though...but are they assuming a disregard of the game only based on that extract?

 

[killatopak]

One thing I confirmed is they definitely can’t predict gaming reception.

 

[CoreyFlawless]

Calling a bunch of us “Playstation fanboys”, in a thread with multiple people claiming they “know” BG 3 didn’t sell well on PS5.

Anything negative for PlayStation, Xbox fans jumping on it. Anything negative for Xbox, PlayStation fans jumping on. They jump on it so fast and quick. That sometimes they don’t realize how wrong they are bout it

 

[adamsapple]

adamsapple , post if you are okay.

 

[The Pleasure]

Explains everything as to why they can't identify quality games.

Redfall? That's a banger. Baldurs Gate 3? That's crap.

 

[SirKicksalot]

Functional illiteracy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A great read for The Verge, Polygon and many posters here. If only they could understand it...

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Sony literally had blog posts about the game breaking down features for some time prior to the PC launch, let alone consoles launch.

I'm referring to when the game first was announced.

 

[CoreyFlawless]

Possibly not, but we don't have any idea what their assessment of the game was at the time, we do have Microsoft's.



Steam was not excluded in any way as part of the the Stadia agreement. What are you talking about?

Possibly not, but we don't have any idea what their assessment of the game was at the time, we do have Microsoft's.



Steam was not excluded in any way as part of the the Stadia agreement. What are you talking about?

Still doesn’t change the fact. At that time. BG3 was gonna be more likely a 2nd run game on Xbox consoles. Which in some cases it still is. It not lunching on the same date with pc and ps5. But that Xbox ecosystem fault for the most part it seems

 

[Punished Miku]

Maybe. I guess we'll find out for sure when all the leaks get sorted through. MS valuing them at only 5 mill for gamepass is absurd compared to the prices they've paid for others.

Larian was literally on MS's list of possible studio acquisitions from previous court documents so pick whatever secret MS document you want to run with at this point.

 

[bender]

p.s. Nice edit.

A partial version of the game was released in early access format for macOS, Windows, and the Stadia streaming service, on 6 October 2020. The game remained in early access until its full release on Windows on 3 August 2023.

If only Larian had released titles on Xbox and Windows in the past....

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm referring to when the game first was announced.

Like, 5 years ago? There was no console announcement at the time because there was no next gen console to run the game.

 

[MDSLKTR]

So it only took a second run stadia rpg to sink parity clauses

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Larian was literally on MS's list of possible studio acquisitions from previous court documents so pick whatever secret MS document you want to run with at this point.

I was speaking to baldurs gate 3 specifically.

 

[Kokoloko85]

I guess we'll find out when PlayStation releases their monthly PSN charts for September.

Was the highest selling preorder in US for August I believe?

 

[THE DUCK]

A good 95% of the people on this board thought the exact same thing.

 

[Doom85]

Anything negative for PlayStation, Xbox fans jumping on it. Anything negative for Xbox, PlayStation fans jumping on. They jump on it so fast and quick. That sometimes they don’t realize how wrong they are bout it

This day has clearly been an image-damaging one for Xbox. And one that shows a lot of truth that many Xbox fans denied when they were arguing for the ABK acquisition. “So sorry” that people who were nervous about a potential monopoly finally feel elated to see the truth come out, and hope the proper legal counsels will take this into consideration the next time Microsoft tries to pull a stunt like this.

Regardless, you chose to specifically go after the “Playstation fanboys” while conveniently ignoring the individuals in the same thread claiming they “know” BG 3 will do poorly on PS5.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Like, 5 years ago? There was no console announcement at the time because there was no next gen console to run the game.

First announced for Stadia.

 

[adamsapple]

p.s. Nice edit.

A partial version of the game was released in early access format for macOS, Windows, and the Stadia streaming service, on 6 October 2020. The game remained in early access until its full release on Windows on 3 August 2023.

If only Larian had released titles on Xbox and Windows in the past....

Edited cause it wasn't adding anything, but while the divinity games are good, no one expected the game to shoot up with 800k concurrent on steam and the critical reception it got year + before its retail release.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Edited cause it wasn't adding anything, but while the divinity games are good, no one expected the game to shoot up with 800k concurrent on steam and the critical reception it got year + before its retail release.

Yeah, people were championing that for Starfield.

 

[Zathalus]

Do you even know what "first run" and "second run" even mean?
And fucking idiots in Verge to. "Journalists" my ass.
When that document was created BG3 was planned to launch first on PC and Stadia. That make it for XBox and Sony literally second run Stadia RPG.
Second run means that it's re-release of product. Fucking idiots everywhere.

Definition of SECOND RUN

the run of a motion picture under a second release… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Woah, woah, woah. Let's not let facts get in the way of getting angry at Microsoft. You are attacking some posters identity here.

 

[peish]

tbf sony paid for ff16 exclusivity

sony did not do any promo with bg3 even when it was heating up, and they had a small window with the xbox port delay

 

[LakeOf9]

First they insulted Nintendo

Then they insulted Larian

Who's next, taking bets now

 

[bender]

Edited cause it wasn't adding anything, but while the divinity games are good, no one expected the game to shoot up with 800k concurrent on steam and the critical reception it got year + before its retail release.

Phil's job is to be forward thinking. His lack of vision helped Spider-Man be a PS exclusive and Insomniac a Sony 1st Party. It's also not a good look to shit talk your business partners nor is it a good like to shrug of Microsoft's largest platform that your division is trying to make inroads in with their Xbox services.

 

[CoreyFlawless]

This day has clearly been an image-damaging one for Xbox. And one that shows a lot of truth that many Xbox fans denied when they were arguing for the ABK acquisition. “So sorry” that people who were nervous about a potential monopoly finally feel elated to see the truth come out, and hope the proper legal counsels will take this into consideration the next time Microsoft tries to pull a stunt like this.

Regardless, you chose to specifically go after the “Playstation fanboys” while conveniently ignoring the individuals in the same thread claiming they “know” BG 3 will do poorly on PS5.

First off. This tread has nothing to do with the Abk thing. 2nd, even if it did poorly on PlayStation, there fans still use it as something they got over Xbox. Coming on there first and that it having hard time on series s. They jumping on this, cause they first was thinking Xbox was downgrading or talking bad bout BG3. Which you could see that on the first few posts.

 

[adamsapple]

Yeah, people were championing that for Starfield.

Phil's job is to be forward thinking. It's also not a good look to shit talk your business partners nor is it a good like to shrug of Microsoft's largest platform that your division is trying to make inroads in with their Xbox services.

Hindsight and the surprise hit of the game changed that, they wouldn't be changing one of the core tenets of the consoles to get the game on Xbox asap.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

First off. This tread has nothing to do with the Abk thing. 2nd, even if it did poorly on PlayStation, there fans still use it as something they got over Xbox. Coming on there first and that it having hard time on series s. They jumping on this, cause they first was thinking Xbox was downgrading or talking bad bout BG3. Which you could see that on the first few posts.

The put it in the same category as "lets sing abba" They clearly thought little of it. It's okay I understand it's been a rough day.

 

[bender]

Hindsight and the surprise hit of the game changed that, they wouldn't be changing one of the core tenets of the consoles to get the game on Xbox asap.

Lack of foresight which is also a large part of why Spider-Man and Insomniac are where they are at right now. It also doesn't excuse his dismissive behavior, but somehow you'll find a way.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Well they got that one wrong. They were smart to get Lies Of P though.

 

[Stafford]

Do you even know what "first run" and "second run" even mean?
And fucking idiots in Verge to. "Journalists" my ass.
When that document was created BG3 was planned to launch first on PC and Stadia. That make it for XBox and Sony literally second run Stadia RPG.
Second run means that it's re-release of product. Fucking idiots everywhere.

Definition of SECOND RUN

the run of a motion picture under a second release… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

But you ain't know? It's more fun to just outrage about shit without even truly knowing why. Lmao.

 

[rofif]

It's probably the most overrated game this year.... but I still don't agree with them lol