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In leaked emails Microsoft described GOTY frontrunner Baldur's Gate 3 as “second-run Stadia PC RPG”.

ShaiKhulud1989

Gold Member
Well, you know why Xbox line-up is what it is this gen, I guess.

Such grand delusions from the top brass and unlike a lot of Xbox devs they are still employed.
 
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Bruh, I’ve pointed out people making baseless theories on how BG 3 did on consoles, I’ve pointed out how you weren’t consistent with your claims of “I’m criticizing both sets of fanboys!”, and you also chose to agree with the baseless theories. That clown mask ever get itchy?

And hurt? Ah yes, it’s the Sony fans who are hurting today.

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Dude, you didn’t point nothing out. U the one that first brought out that saying BG3 was poorly on ps5. I was like, yeah that’s a IF cause I don’t know and hadn’t heard anything official bout that. But then u was like, yes it not a if cause there nothing official bout it and it pre orders was high. So all you have shown on here, is that you just a big troll on this forums that like to use gifs that also hadn’t shown where PlayStation fans ain’t mad in the post here. Cause that you, a PlayStation fan that is mad and can’t stand being call out as one.
 

Doom85

Member
Dude, you didn’t point nothing out. U the one that first brought out that saying BG3 was poorly on ps5. I was like, yeah that’s a IF cause I don’t know and hadn’t heard anything official bout that. But then u was like, yes it not a if cause there nothing official bout it and it pre orders was high. So all you have shown on here, is that you just a big troll on this forums that like to use gifs that also hadn’t shown where PlayStation fans ain’t mad in the post here. Cause that you, a PlayStation fan that is mad and can’t stand being call out as one.

I never said there couldn’t be an ”if”, just pointing out that people were claiming it did poorly with zero evidence.

I did provide evidence showing it may have done well, never claimed it definitely did, but I at least provided evidence. Providing evidence doesn’t automatically mean I’m claiming to know for sure, but I at least bothered to provide some evidence as opposed to those who made baseless claims the game did poorly on PS5.

Ah yes, I’m the troll. Me, the guy pointing out the flaws in your arguments and when you fail to acknowledge points I made. I guess knowing the basics of a debate is “being a troll” these days.

And really, a mad Playstation fan, me? Fam, I’m having the time of my life today with all this bullshit from Microsoft being revealed, and you’re just adding to the entertainment!

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Arachnid

Member
Always baffling how these huge companies manage to be this fucking tone deaf.
Right? An entire division dedicated to gaming from the second largest tech company in the world, and they're flat out retarded when it comes to video game appeal. How do they not have professionals to properly read online reception and forcast this kind of stuff?
 
Wrong. At the time bg3 was more likely gonna be exclusively stadia for a few months. These was talking about last year in may. I don’t think stadia even announced yet that they was shutting down at that time. But I could been wrong. So yes it would had been a 2nd run game. Launch on stadia first. Then maybe steam and Xbox and ps5 on their 2nd run. So yes it was a 2nd run game as plan at that time.
I've been wondering for awhile now how Phil's farts taste. Care to elaborate?
 

dem

Member
we are on a gaming forum and Phil is actively trying to make gaming worse for everyone except people who own an Xbox.

He isn't fucking our wives but he's doing the second worst thing

By "everyone" do you mean Playstation users?
Because nothing has changed for anyone else.

And by "second worst thing" do you mean... not releasing the most boring game of the year on Playstation?

because that's about all that has happened.
 

Nonehxc

Member
I’m surprised this thread is still open, and grown adults are still debating/fighting over it, when the theoretical thread ender was right on the very first page, #7 post. Second run doesn’t mean “second class” nor does it have any derogatory connotation. It means what any sane person would think it meant: the second run of a product after the first run, IE: the first release. What do you think a rerelease of a film to theaters is called? Stop putting heads in the sand like ostriches were bum-steered to do, and take like 2 minutes to do critical thinking and learn what the term means before producing a comment.

I’m so glad I was always heavily into books as a kid, and worked in a library for 4 years, because such taught me how to know what weird words and terms mean, or to like, do actual research to learn lol. It takes a good 5 minutes to do at best.

WRONG

I didn't knew it was called 'Second-Run' in english, and by the context I knew what was being talked about since I studied Audiovisual Arts from 16-18 in high school, so it shouldn't have been so difficult for you(and other stubborn people) to grasp the correct meaning of 'Second-Run'.

Lets not be Captain Literal and get hung up on the word 'Second', and if you read so much, please read this


English isn't my mother tongue, so excuse any grammatical/syntax fuck ups.

Second-Run means EXACTLY Not the best/ insert any number other than one-Rate/Tier/Class/Quality. And could perfectly be Third, Fourth, Fifth-Run etc etc ad nauseam. But the convention has always been to call it Second-Run in cinema. Hell, usually Second-Run means more like 5th-Run than Second-Run.

And it has to do with the physical film roll and its state and quality after it's been USED and ABUSED for quite some time, and its value due to that. Nothing to do with how many times a movie was shown at theaters, how many theaters it passed through before, how good the movie was, etc.

Theaters with the means(huge means) used to RENT pristine First-Run film rolls. Now they all get the same files on their servers, but at different times, and the bussiness model is still in place, but much cheaper and accesible to smaller venues, but I digress.

Film Rolls cost a fuckton to make, and an even fucker fuckton to rent for pristine First -Run Opening week/month. So much, that even pretty well pocketed directors/actors can't afford to have their body of work in film roll to project at their leisure. Usually it is a gift from the studio/producers or they lent them those rolls for whatever time the studio wanted.

What happens to those incredibly expensive KM of pristine rented celluloid after a few good weeks on the projector? They've been used and abused and can potentially have any number of cut-and-glue, glued blacks, scratches, blotches, spots, holes, burns, scratched audio tracks or whatever form of abuse you can think a film can endure, in more or less quantity.

Film roll still good enough to hit second/third etc etc tier of First-Run venues? They RENT it with a nice discount after some time(days/weeks) of opening night. And so on and so forth.

After that film roll has been through the ringer for weeks/months in First-Run theaters and venues projectors...

then comes SECOND-RUN.

Not too deep pocketed little theaters, mom and pop ones, open-air, whatever, etc, get their hands on pretty used and abused film rolls. With a HUGE HUGE DISCOUNT. That film roll could be perfectly viewable after all the frankenglues and frankencuts and frankenfixes projectionist have had to make over the months to keep that roll...rolling. Or could be pretty fucked up and prone to get stuck in front of the lamp and burn, like I've seen quite a few do.

So yeh, quality, not the times it has been run is what Second-Run means. Degraded, low, shitty quality film roll.

BG3 is a low quality second/third/fourth class product in a low quality second/third/fourth class platform/service per Phil's words.
 

cybertailor

Neo Member
still don't understand why Sony didn't do any free PR for BG3 on PS5 or even published the game as a disc version with a reduced cut. It's an accidental exclusive after all.
 
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SlimeGooGoo

Party Gooper
He's right though.

If you remove all the porn all that's left is a boring mess.

Same thing with gacha games and Nier Automata.
 

KXVXII9X

Member
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Edit: I really need to start fully reading these articles. I agree with a few posters who clarified what "Second run" means which makes the article seem hastily made for clicks. Some of those other emails on the other hand... Microsoft mask off.
 
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Dick Jones

Gold Member
Anyone find the email in question? It could be Phil is stupid as shown in his ability to pay 50 bucks in 2022 for a copy of Horizon Zero Dawn on PS4. Based on the leaks it's not beyond the realm of possibility Phil mixed up second rate and second run.

Or it could be that it is Xbox's way of stating games that don't initially launch on Xbox are second run games. Without the context the bickering is weird. Context matters!

Either way Xbox need to get to the developers and apologise for any offence caused.
 

chessy_08

Member
The world would be a better place if Microsoft just backed out of the console race. What do they really offer? There best game isn't even a Xbox exclusive they just canceled the ps5 version because they were bought out. Bethesda would have made more money selling it places other then Xbox
 

Pejo

Member
OP, I just want to commend you on finding the perfect picture for that OP to go along with the snippet you posted.
 

Godot25

Banned
No lies detected
It is "second run" since it wasn't announced for Xbox or PlayStation at the time of reveal.
And it is PC RPG...because it is PC RPG.
I would be surprised if PlayStation 5 version of BGIII managed to get even 10% of concurrent players that Steam version managed to get.
 
Yeah, Microsoft (or at least the Xbox division) are fucking morons.

Baldur’s Gate and the sequel are known for being two of the greatest RPGs of all time. The company that made Divinity Original Sin and its sequel (two of the most well received RPGs in a recent times) were making Baldur’s Gate 3 and are absolutely the leaders in the industry when it comes to CRPGs. They even released it in early access so that they could make the game the majority of players wanted, increasing their chances of releasing a massive hit.

The chances of the game failing or being a critical disaster were non existent. It was worth betting on from the outset.

In fact, the best part of all this is that BG3 released to critical acclaim, almost everyone who gave a shit about video games was talking about it. Then when it released the conversation went straight to Xbox making an exception to policy to get the game out quicker on their platform.
 
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