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Is the porn the last industry to have blatant racism AND profit from it?

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Slayven

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I know it isn't hang a dude racism but it is still a bit instulting. And I know it part of marketing a industry slow to change. But still it never gets talked about.

So, as I told you I would, here is the mail. For a long time I have been concerned, stressed, and pissed off to say the least, about the state of racial relations in the adult industry. I too have been guilty to some point as of late by conversing with female stars that don’t do IR. In hind site this was bad, and foolhardy. I am far from a racist having been born to a black father, and a white mother. My father was never around (in fact I have only met him four times in my life and haven’t spoken with, or seen him in over 20 years), and thus I was raised by my white mother and my half sister who is also mixed black and white. Growing up in Oregon partially I have experienced my share of racism. However, until entering the adult industry, I had never experienced it on such a massive level, and had to endure it on a day-to-day basis. With growing up with my mother’s side of the family only I have always been around white people. Growing up however, I have had black influences, as my aunt and mother only dated black men, and visiting and eventually living with my aunt who was the first white woman to ever live in the notorious projects of Seaside, CA.

Enough about my life LOL. So, today I have canceled what work I had in LA and informed my agents that effective immediately, I will no longer be doing any sort of IR porn. This decision was not easy. I am NOT racist as I have stated and obviously could not be with a white mother and family. I will suffer from this decision no doubt, but I feel the mental anguish will be less of a burden then the financial. I feel horrible thinking that this is the only way for people to know exactly how I feel, and more over the only way for me to yell out if you will "what the fuck, this is bullshit". Some will say "well you are being racist yourself in this decision". I would have to agree. It is wrong for anyone to say they won’t work with someone because of skin color or nationality. However, what is a black star to do if he/she is fed up with the racial profiling he/she has to endure everyday in this industry? This is not just about getting between contract stars legs. This is about the fact that every solid thing that a black star is not allotted to earn in the adult industry can be led back to three simple things; agents telling girls "no interracial" or convincing them not to do IR, big companies refusing to shoot a fair percentage of content involving black talent, and girl being given the choice of whether they want to choose co-talent solely on the basis of skin color, or nationality.

This whole situation saddens me to no end. I am pissed off that I served in the military, to protect the freedoms of the same people that would discriminate. I am pissed off that I served in the military, and this is what my country does for me i.e.; nothing – continues to allow discrimination in my work place. So, the normal way this goes down is a girls statement " I don’t do IR I’m sorry, it’s nothing personal". How the fuck could it NOT be personal when a girl tells you that she will NOT work with you because of the color of your skin? Even worse it’s not the color of your skin obviously, because these same girls work with European and Latin darker skinned male stars that are not labeled black. The same contract and non-contract stars that say they don’t do IR are still working with non-white performers. To make it worse a % of them are trying or are getting fucked off screen by black males either talent or civilian. So, is IR just a term cause it sure in the hell doesn’t mean anyone not of that girl’s nationality. For example if an Asian girl doesn’t do IR, it should mean she only works with Asian male stars right? Well that’s not the case, it means she will work with anyone that is not Labeled Black by the adult industry. Some girls say I don’t like the movies that they put me in when I do IR so I don’t do it. Guess what? We black people don’t like the movies that makes us look like we just degrade white girls either. Do you realize that black male stars staple often times is shooting BBW movies (nothing wrong with BBW I adore a lot of them, and they rarely had attitude which is so common among female stars) but when was the last time you saw a top white or non-black male star have to staple his income with BBW shoots? I’m a skinny brotha. Again nothing wrong with BBW women (and I mean that), I have gone out with some in my personal life, because looks and a body aren’t everything, but I’m just trying to show the very un-even contrast in the industry.

Is being Black a target? Is it the kiss of death in the industry? A couple male performers I know are black, but very light skinned, and seem to work with these girls on a regular basis as they have not been LABELED black . Non-IR girls have no issues shooting with them, so you would think maybe it’s just the color of the skin, but then you get to darker European, Asian and Latino male talent and all of a sudden brown skin has no bearing. So, does "it’s not personal" continue to fly as a real statement? Absolutely not. Girls and agents like to say that saving IR extends the life of a girl’s career. I have very serious doubts about that and will use a star I have worked with many times as an example. This girl has shot IR from day one in the industry (as far as I am aware) very early in her career I had shot with her more then any male in the industry (white , black or other), now she is arguably the biggest contract star in the world. So tell me exactly how did IR extend or hurt her career. The fact is, that non-IR girls use black male talent as stepping stones, and that is morally bankrupt in thought and action. Girls are permitted to do IR and then not do IR and then start to do it again when there work slows. The sad part is Black male talent are willing to shoot with these girls, and basically telling them it’s ok to exhibit this moral lacking behavior, and it’s alright to disrupt our income. Black males are telling these girls that we are OK with the scraps that they are throwing our way.

The fact is, is every girl that refuses to do IR is saying (regardless if they speak the words) I’m doing what’s best for me and I don’t care what happens to you (Mr. Black male talent). Every girl that refuses or dips in and out of doing IR affects every black male star’s annual income. If contract stars did IR, your damn right I and others would have more scenes, because we have directors that would kill for those scenes. It is the same with all non-IR shooting females. Black males have no problem if the girls are selective in their choosing of who they shoot with and who they won’t shoot with. That’s fine, but to just say "sorry your black " hello wake the fuck up. It’s offensive, and then to follow it up with "it’s nothing personal" that just makes us even more angry because there is no way to take it but personal. The girl will take 10 cocks in a day, ass, pussy, and mouth and multiple cocks at a time as long as none of them are black? Come on, we are black, not stupid.

So people ask "why do you even care" here are just a few answers; for awards they look at the top girls movies, so if blacks can’t work with the top girls then how do WE get looked at or even come close to getting awards. I would sure like to fly to Jamaica or Hawaii to shoot a feature. No Go. This is just a couple of trickle down effects, and it doesn’t even scratch the surface. Does any one think it weird that at AVN their are 15 males nominated for best male performer and every year their are never more than three black males in that category, and 95% of the time it’s won by a white or I’ll say non-black performer that is hooked-up with the Vivids and Wickeds and VCA’s of the industry? However, even more funny is if you look at the nominees for most unsung male performer @ AVN, their are usually around 8 or 9 guy’s nominated and the list is predominately black male performers. How about equality? It’s just an Idea. How many non-black males are under contract right now? How many black males are under contract right now? How many white females are under contract right now? Now how many black females are under contract right now? Starting to get the picture. Black people are starving and getting real jobs and leaving the industry cause they can’t pay their bills, but their counter parts are like nothing major has happened because half are under contract with guaranteed money and the other half are working because the economy put mostly smaller companies out of biz not the big ones. So, who do you think shot the majority of IR? Smaller companies. Follow twitter, Sure some is a lie but you will see people post "I’m working" "I’m on set". Start keeping track and tell me what you see over a week and then lets chat.

This is trickle down economics people. Top white girls refuse to work with black males. Top companies refuse to shoot black males. Top companies, and girls often could give a flying fuck about black females. How is it that black females on average make less, and work less then white females? How is it that often even if a Wicked or VCA or Digital Playground shoots a feature and has a black talent in it, its like one black talent out of a cast of like 7 or more. Are they really saying that, that is how the world is normally ? Or is this their own private little white world? Last time I checked black pirates were common in the 1700′s, also last time I checked blacks were a strong majority in the military, so how are war movies going to have one black guy out of an entire military unit? For too long the industry has (in large part) just used black people as tokens. Unfortunately for the blacks and fortunate for the world, black people in this business are too damned stupid to stand together and say enough is enough. Too many people looking out for themselves, and worrying about what the company owners will say. Here’s a clue, big companies don’t give a fuck about black talent. Behind closed doors to many in the industry we are "NIGGERS". That’s fact, that’s the way of the world is.

They like our music, and love our food, and women but despise us, and will never look at us as equals, and this is the same conclusion drawn from some blacks in the industry when told "I’m sorry I don’t do IR, nothing personal though". Funny, a friend (white female star) just texted me back after I canceled our content shoot (told her I was no longer doing IR) her response was "did I do something wrong?" Guess it goes to show we all have an issue being told your money is gonna get fucked up because of the color of your skin, huh? I’m tired, I don’t want to yell, I don’t want to have a target on my back, and I don’t want to lose work or have to cause waves, but I also don’t want to feel like some fucking leper at work either. I would rather be judged as an individual when it comes to talent selection. Does color have to come in sometimes? Yes of course, you can’t have a black man play George Washington anymore then you could have a white woman play Whoopi Goldberg. Do you have any idea what it feels like to go to work and have 60% of your co-workers say "sorry won’t work with you, you’re black". Trust me it’s a shitty feeling, and then to have your advancement opportunities capped because you can’t work with some of that 60%. Shit now you’ll just get mad. My actions and reactions are in direct correlation with the actions and inflammatory speech and actions that are being taken and enacted against people of my color.

The racism and discrimination needs to stop. Equality has been earned.

Justin Long
Adult Film Star

Stoya on interracial porn
http://youtu.be/6nuHxhGkHGg

Porn actor talking about it
http://youtu.be/Y-19JEMKWh4


Why is sleeping with a black dude so taboo that it is fetishized ? I mean you would never see interracial used to label a scene between Mika Tan and Gianna Micheal?

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What other industry would have this shit? And the Japanese ones are even worse. They have girls eyes rolling back in their heads and shit.
 
Because there's an audience for it, I guess. People who are racist or have those kinds of fetishes can express them in their porn watching/purchasing much easier than in any other type of media because most people keep their porn to themselves.
 

Fivefold

Banned
Fetish != Racism

They aren't using exactly PC language because fuck, it's porn, but I don't think black actors get paid less or anything like it.

That is a dangerous road to go down because it basically boils down to the perception that "being sexually attracted to a specific phenotype" is racist, which is complete bullshit IMO.
 

Slayven

Member
Fetish != Racism

They aren't using exactly PC language because fuck, it's porn, but I don't think black actors get paid less or anything like it.

That is a dangerous road to go down because it basically boils down to the perception that "being sexually attracted to a specific phenotype" is racist, which is complete bullshit IMO.

So you just going to tank those two black porn actors talking about their experiences?

Huh? You know that they're just acting, right?
Yeah but perceptions and what not.
 

Fivefold

Banned
So you just going to tank those two black porn actors talking about their experiences?


Yeah but perceptions and what not.

Just did it.

Can't force a girl to have sex with you if she is not attracted to your race. Racist if you don't, sexist if you do.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
Fetish != Racism

They aren't using exactly PC language because fuck, it's porn, but I don't think black actors get paid less or anything like it.

That is a dangerous road to go down because it basically boils down to the perception that "being sexually attracted to a specific phenotype" is racist, which is complete bullshit IMO.
Racism plays a part in fetishism.

Hell, there's a fetish for just about everything. It doesn't make fetish a dirty word nor is racism always some heinous thing to say either. Racism and fetish both play a part in this business of supplying sexual fantasies and the market reflects that entirely. Its a fact. Its practiced.

You'll rarely see a black dude in Western porn that isn't in a film that's labeled INTERRACIAL. WHITE GIRL GETS PUSSY RENOVATED BUT THUG DICK. etc

Black actors and actresses get paid less because they're typically categorized as fetish primary workers and get work as such. They absolutely get paid less, not only that, but even black women who want to attempt to go down the broader, more "career" path end up having to work with only white men for the most part until they go back to BIG BLACK COCKS BLOW OUT BACKS 6 films in between.
I would imagine it's because there is less of a market for it. Which doesn't have much to do with racism.

Examine the market.

Its why "cuckold" is a thing. The same market made interracial the monolith that it is. People like that product and the industry catered to them.

It doesn't have to be someone getting lynched to be racism. They're being treated differently because of their skin. That's exactly what is going on. Its okay to call it racism. It won't hurt.
 

Fivefold

Banned
Dude it is not about attraction.

Marketability, etc.

I fully know that some girls don't do interracial because that's one of their selling points with their fanbase.

That doesn't make the industry any more or less racist, if anything that decision is a business one. Not your fault the guys that buy porn are racist losers.

There's absolutely no obligation on the producers to promote social justice, they need to make money.
 
The porn industry is the last bastion of all sorts of bigotry precisely because it is taboo enough for people to not want to talk about it. The problem is that all the various stereotypes from the industry "leaks" back into mainstream society.

We wouldn't have the harmful "black guys have big dicks"-stereotype if it wasn't the need to sexually stereotype black individuals in porn, and you're not going to get rid of this stereotype while the source of it continues unabashed - you're going to keep chopping away at the "big dick"-notion wherever it pops up instead of cutting it cleanly off at its roots.
 
Just did it.

Can't force a girl to have sex with you if she is not attracted to your race. Racist if you don't, sexist if you do.

Has nada to do with it and it isnt limited to just porn. Had a guy in college refuse to hook up with a girl i did because i was black. A lot of women actually are attracted to black men. What they are afraid of is the backlash and being ostracized afterwards. So glad my gf is oblivious to all this garbage and doesnt give two shits about what anyone thinks.
 
Isnt something like Django Unchained the same as you mentioned? Racism to make a profit, wrapped in a really good movie but still racist.
 

Xeke

Banned
Japanese porn is the worst. Simply touching their leg causes them to moan and pant. It's beyond absurd.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
Marketability, etc.

I fully know that some girls don't do interracial because that's one of their selling points with their fanbase.

That doesn't make the industry any more or less racist, if anything that decision is a business one. Not your fault the guys that buy porn are racist losers.

There's absolutely no obligation on the producers to promote social justice, they need to make money.

Basically this.

There are plenty of men and women that are have no problems with IR relationships but absolutely will not because they worry about their image.
The porn industry is the last bastion of all sorts of bigotry precisely because it is taboo enough for people to not want to talk about it. The problem is that all the various stereotypes from the industry "leaks" back into mainstream society.

We wouldn't have the harmful "black guys have big dicks"-stereotype if it wasn't the need to sexually stereotype black individuals in porn, and you're not going to get rid of this stereotype while the source of it continues unabashed - you're going to keep chopping away at the "big dick"-notion wherever it pops up instead of cutting it cleanly off at its roots.

You have it backwards. The Western porn industry never makes the first move. It has followed behind of what the base of Americans want since the 60s. From changing their mediums to no longer having fat guys (the "they look just like me!" marketing) as male performers. Jeniffer Lopez made America start loving latina women and sure enough latina women began to surge in the Adult Entertainment industry as well. They're purely reactive and almost always show a damned good reflection of what their market wants at the moment.
 
Fetish != Racism

They aren't using exactly PC language because fuck, it's porn, but I don't think black actors get paid less or anything like it.

That is a dangerous road to go down because it basically boils down to the perception that "being sexually attracted to a specific phenotype" is racist, which is complete bullshit IMO.

www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511641

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I wouldn't be so quick to use absolutes in regard to this issue, if I were you. It's hard to say if and when social conditioning from our peers, family, media consumption plays a part in developing our preferences.
 
Basically this.


You have it backwards. The Western porn industry never makes the first move. It has followed behind of what the base of Americans want since the 60s. From changing their mediums to no longer having fat guys (the "they look just like me!" marketing) as male performers. Jeniffer Lopez made America start loving latina women and sure enough latina women began to surge in the Adult Entertainment industry as well. They're purely reactive and almost always show a damned good reflection of what their market wants at the moment.

I can accept it being reactive, but rather than just being a result of it mirroring mainstream society, it probably strengthen the attitudes found in mainstream society - maybe even adds details to it.
 

Loofy

Member
This guy should feel lucky to even be a male porn star. Theyre getting joe smoes and gonzo actors doing that ish for free.
 

Fivefold

Banned
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511641

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I wouldn't be so quick to use absolutes in regard to this issue, if I were you. It's hard to say if and when social conditioning from our peers, family, media consumption plays a part in developing our preferences.

There might be racist connotations to a guy with "yellow fever", so to speak, like the whole "asian women are submissive" thing. But having a thing for asians, or blue-eyed pale brunettes, or short-haired black girls, etc... is too primal to be considered racist itself IMO.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
1 That video title is straight up jokes.

2 I appreciate where he's coming from, but it's PORN. People fucking on camera for money, with am endless line of guys who would love to have the same job. As long as we have cameras on our phones and mattresses in the dirty alleys of Van Nuys, no one will give a rat's ass.

nice manifesto though, I do feel where he's coming from.







waitasec
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
I can accept it being reactive, but rather than just being a result of it mirroring mainstream society, it probably strengthen the attitudes found in mainstream society - maybe even adds details to it.

It may be a snake eating it's tail in some ways, but porn is always chasing what the mainstream wants.

Right now its feasting on dudes who think that they're watching amateur porn, contracting their workers for things offset as well like appearances and live shows, and killing the "i just want to watch sex where I know there is something special" crowd with the white filters and movie-esque sex scenes through x-art, orgasms.xxx, and the like. They're feasting on the people that think they're 'above' watching porn and its hilarious how well the porn industry knows its market and how to adapt with it.
 

Metrotab

Banned
They're purely reactive and almost always show a damned good reflection of what their market wants at the moment.

Nothing to do with the topic per se, but I've heard theorized once before that the adult movie industry is extremely quick in adapting new trends and technology into its product line.
 

blind51de

Banned
If the guy isn't getting enough work, then there obviously isn't enough demand from viewers who are black or who like to see black men. Money would talk.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
If the guy isn't getting enough work, then there obviously isn't enough demand from viewers who are black or who like to see black men. Money would talk.

That logic doesn't apply to any minority.

Shit, it doesn't even apply to rap music.

To clarify, it isn't so much about supplying to black people - its about supplying to people with fucked up views on race and weird cuckold fantasies instead. They're easier to exploit by far.
 

hym

Banned
I think I would become a racist when watching so many 12 inch cocks, just like I became a communist by having friends in investment banking.

I have an envy problem.
 

blind51de

Banned
That logic doesn't apply to any minority.

Shit, it doesn't even apply to rap music.

To clarify, it isn't so much about supplying to black people - its about supplying to people with fucked up views on race and weird cuckold fantasies instead. They're easier to exploit by far.

So, there aren't enough people with black guy fetishes watching. In which case, money would still talk.
 

Oemenia

Banned
Male adult actors are incredibly expandable in the industry, their 'payment' is the fact that they are even there in the first place. The guys have been itemised to the fetish category so when the actresses say no to IR, they arent saying no to a black man but to IR itself.
 
And yet it's easier to name stars that do not do IR than those that do. What do you think the % is? Pretty much every single porn star does IR. Especially modern porn stars (ie:any star from the last 3-4 years).

Who doesn't do IR anyway? Jenna Jameson and, I can't even think of another? Well, even she has done lesbian IR, but people don't seem to want to count that for some reason.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
And yet it's easier to name stars that do not do IR than those that do. What do you think the % is? Pretty much every single porn star does IR. Especially modern porn stars (ie:any star from the last 3-4 years).

Who doesn't do IR anyway? Jenna Jameson and, I can't even think of another? Well, even she has done lesbian IR, but people don't seem to want to count that for some reason.

Jenna Jameson?

The fuck?

Are you in 2013?

You'd have to get rare cell phone footage to see most of the Digital Playground girls doing IR. Hell, there was a lot of bad, bad talk regarding one of the newer Speigler Girls, Casey Calvert, doing gangbangs and IR - they asked her not, she was like #yolo, so now they're in a weird mix of backlash, blacklisting, and a small section of support.

Its really easy to name the "exceptions" of IR porn because they're exactly that. Its too easy to forget and not even think about about all the women who get written off completely because of a few IR scenes though.

The men are forever screwed though. They should honestly expect it. Men are too easily replaceable for the most part.
 
A lot of racist white guys buy porn, and the business caters to them. Agencies steer contract girls away from IR because the fan base doesn't want to see them fucking black guys. And likewise a lot of new talent avoids IR just so they can have a chance at becoming a contract girl, which is where the money is at. So it's basically a neve ending cycle that reinforces itself every year.

I greatly enjoy IR and appreciate porn stars like Sasha Grey who proved you can be insanely popular and still do IR. then you have chicks like Alexis Texas who I know for a fact fucks black dudes in her private life, yet can't fuck them on camera for fear of backlash. Personally I think she is big enough to be able to do it, but we've had that discussion before.
 
Either way, it all comes back to the fact that black men are typecast as sex machines, it might seem all cool but it fundamentally ignores every other quality of a person and that is hurtful.

Sorry everybody, but I think that it's a tough case to make to ask the porn industry to stop "fundamentally ignoring every quality of a person." The industry exists for the objectification of people as nothing more than objects of sexual enjoyment.
 

reddmyst

Member
He's still getting paid to have sex.

Also, If IR porn has a lot of demand for it (thus profitable), then "top" companies would follow suit. There must be $$$ figures out there that show the profitability of IR porn and non-IR porn.

IF it's not that profitable, well, what's a company to do? To me as of right now it just shows that there are people who are not into IR porn (i.e. not a lot of non-black folks want to see black dudes fucking non-black women).
 
Jenna Jameson?

The fuck?

Are you in 2013?

Well that's my point.

Digital Playground? A quick look at their wiki shows their top 6 contract stars, and they've all done IR.

All of the most popular studios and stars do IR. I don't think it's an issue at all. Then again, I don't really go hunting for those that refuse to do it so I guess I'm not really "In the know" for those people.
 
Marketability, etc.

I fully know that some girls don't do interracial because that's one of their selling points with their fanbase.

That doesn't make the industry any more or less racist, if anything that decision is a business one. Not your fault the guys that buy porn are racist losers.

There's absolutely no obligation on the producers to promote social justice, they need to make money.

I think it's totally ridiculous to ask the porn industry to promote social justice (generally, I think the point expressed in OP is ridiculous) BUT... To excuse the porn industry because "that's what the customers want" doesn't work in other industries. A grocery store owner who only hires white people because his customers (according to him) only want to shop at a place with a white staff?

It wouldn't hold.
 
then you have chicks like Alexis Texas who I know for a fact fucks black dudes in her private life, yet can't fuck them on camera for fear of backlash. Personally I think she is big enough to be able to do it, but we've had that discussion before.

She's done anal IR. And lesbian IR too.
 
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