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LA Times: Microsoft announces X360 pricing at lollapalooza 2005
- Thread starter gofreak
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Bah. MS should have been more clear from the fucking beginning. I mean, it's not terribly expensive and I think everyone knows that. It's just the fact that everyone was so mislead by that bald bastards forked tongue. And what pisses me off, is I know I'll be banking on BC for the dry period of games after launch, so it's not even feasible for me to get the 299. I swear to god, if all my games aren't BC I'm going to eat Allard and his family.
Izzy said:
Hardcore market buys it. Xbox 1 owners buy it. People dumping PC gaming buy it. That should be enough for the time being (till March).
Now will the Playstation 2 owners buy it? Or will they wait for PS3?
MS was very vocal about expanding Xbox 1 userbase not simply moving it to next-gen. They have to market 360 really, really strong to convince PS2 peeps it's worth getting one and not waiting for PS3.
With a big marketing budget and hot campaign this should work whatever the final price of the console is.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
so is the revolution the only next gen system that will have standard some form of internal storage?
i find that funny as well.
i find that funny as well.
The biggest thing that pisses me off about this news is what someone mentioned earlier in the thread. Now developers won't be focusing on creating a game around the online functionality of the xbox 360. That was the one element I was hoping would be unique for 360. It's the one thing that would set them apart from the PS3 and Revolution.
MS didn't take a step back though. They just didn't step forward. They are merely hovering where they have always been with the xbox, just with better graphics and a wireless controller. Bah I'll still buy it though, just for the good graphics.
MS didn't take a step back though. They just didn't step forward. They are merely hovering where they have always been with the xbox, just with better graphics and a wireless controller. Bah I'll still buy it though, just for the good graphics.
The Faceless Master
Member
it's a step back, don't kid yourself... the one bullet point they had over PS3 is gone...brocke said:
brocke said:
I was under the impression that u dont need a HDD to play online? Unless my PS2 has been lieing to me since SOCOM. I can see the lack of a HDD as an issue when it comes to downloadable content, but for online play you should be fine even with the cheap SKU.
ScientificNinja
Member
The pricing as I understand it:
US: $399/299
Europe: 399/299 Euro
UK: 279/209 pounds.
You can supposedly buy all the wireless/HD stuff to upgrade the cheaper system to the proper one, but it'll work out more expensive than just buying the proper one outright.
US: $399/299
Europe: 399/299 Euro
UK: 279/209 pounds.
You can supposedly buy all the wireless/HD stuff to upgrade the cheaper system to the proper one, but it'll work out more expensive than just buying the proper one outright.
I don't see what's so idiotic about it, not having a hard drive isn't going to splinter the Xbox market because all developers have been told their games have to work without it (im guessing MMORPGs will get dispensation). You don't need it to save games, you don't need it to go on xbox live, you don't even need it to do all the fancy media stuff.
Some games MAY load faster if you have one (if the developers have had enough time to code it), but i doubt many will bother.
Don't get me wrong it sucks that HDD isn't standard but I don't see anything stupid about it on MS' part...as many people have said the gouging has begun. (Don't you wish you hadn't laughed so much when they were making loses)
Some games MAY load faster if you have one (if the developers have had enough time to code it), but i doubt many will bother.
Don't get me wrong it sucks that HDD isn't standard but I don't see anything stupid about it on MS' part...as many people have said the gouging has begun. (Don't you wish you hadn't laughed so much when they were making loses)
MightyHedgehog
Member
Outside of the smaller physical size, why would anyone choose to purchase a memory unit over a HDD? They're both portable and the HDD actually can be used for more functions.
needs more killer app games for $400. I'm just not excited about spending 400 on hardware with nothing I'm dying for in software. Most of the good stuff has either not been put into light as far as gameplay and such, or isn't releasing at launch. If they had footage of Madden 2006 working, looking amazing, and a step ahead of about any game out there right now, I'd be happy to throw down. You'd think that would be the advantage being the first console to next gen but they havent blown away last gen yet even. At least they haven't showed a lot of the game that does anyway. When I get some real footage and some real gameplay and it warrants a next gen label, then I'll fork it up. It doesnt look like launch they'll have that though. As of now anyway..
The Faceless Master
Member
:lol :lol :loldorio said:
good point!
no memory device = no live!
$299 model doesnt let you use live out of the box!
I'm disappointed, but not angry since this now saves me a great deal of money! If I'm going to buy a 360 then it's going to be the one with the HDD, wireless controller, and headset.... but I'm not about to pay $399 US. Screwed both ways.
I found it strange that Manabyte was getting so protective in this thread... until I realized he was indirectly defending the PS3! :lol
Seriously.Bebpo said:
I found it strange that Manabyte was getting so protective in this thread... until I realized he was indirectly defending the PS3! :lol
I can't imagine the HDD being that much more than the Memory Card. They would either have to make the HDD really overpriced(that's assuming it comes with no special content, like the ff xi/ps2 hdd) or they'd have to make the memory card really cheap. and now that I think about it, do you think they'll bundle the standalone HDD with ff xi??? we all know how well that worked for sony's hdd. :lolTTP said:Good question. Answer: price? (actually it's another question)
Give me a break. That would really limit what you can do on xbl if it has to fit on a small memory card. This decision was beyond stupid, element, and they will pay with customer apathy, just wait. This move is something sony could make but not some guy who came in a distant second last gen.element said:
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
element said:
thats nothing to be excited about.
element
Member
when did 64 MB become 'small'? For basic player vs player gaming, you really dont need any space locally. Now for things like DLC and stuff, if that is something your interested in, then your going to have to make a decision to do some memory card managment, or buy a HDD. Not to mention the long speculated 'save to PC', which might be possible.
MightyHedgehog
Member
TTP said:
And it's a good way to offset that royalty to nVidia.
So does MS have any advantage over sony next gen?
No harddrive
No live
Less powerful hardware
No builtin wireless
No wireless controller
Less developer support
No hd dvd playback
No backwards compat.
Hell we don't even know if it has a price advantage
all in the standard sku.
edit: no hdmi, thanks poster below.
No harddrive
No live
Less powerful hardware
No builtin wireless
No wireless controller
Less developer support
No hd dvd playback
No backwards compat.
Hell we don't even know if it has a price advantage
all in the standard sku.
edit: no hdmi, thanks poster below.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Well, there is the most important issue of games. And MS is looking pretty damned good right now, IMO.
dorio said:
Don't think that the base unit is there so MS can sell to the mainstream. They don't want you to buy it. Most likely the accessories will be priced such that you might as well buy the value pack, and I'm guessing availability of the SKUs will reflect that.
If its 95% value/5% cheap, then effectively you only have the choice of the expensive bundle, while still giving MS the opportunity to shout about having an "inexpensive entry point to the HD era"
As for HDD Vs Memory card - its all about incremental costs.
Buy the base unit. You need a storage device. Get the memory card for $40, or the HDD for $60. Hey, its just an extra $20 for 20GB, so I'll get that. Now you're almost at the stage where you might as well have bought the 'value' pack.
CabbageRed
Member
element said:
That would be a very good thing!
The Faceless Master
Member
looks like the only advantage they have left is their launch windowdorio said:
oh, and changeable faceplates!
dorio said:
Why the fuck "No live"?
And since we dont know yet anything about PS3 SKU(s), I'd cut a copule of points fromn that list just to be sure.
- Less powerful hardware
- No builtin wireless
- No hd dvd playback
- No backwards compat.
These are the real "cons" of the starter 360 SKU compared to an hypotecial starter PS3 SKU. Not a big deal IMO.
Brotherman
Member
Man this hurts my feelings.
I was considering being an early adopter when I thought that the HD would come with it at the $300 price point, but now I'm going to wait.
Custom Soundtrack, BC, and Storage were big selling points to me (as well has the little bit of hope that I had that some devs. might still take advantage of the HD). With the current announcement, there just isn't enough content to warrant me paying $300. Who knows, MS may change my mind though, but for now I'm disappointed.
I was considering being an early adopter when I thought that the HD would come with it at the $300 price point, but now I'm going to wait.
Custom Soundtrack, BC, and Storage were big selling points to me (as well has the little bit of hope that I had that some devs. might still take advantage of the HD). With the current announcement, there just isn't enough content to warrant me paying $300. Who knows, MS may change my mind though, but for now I'm disappointed.