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(LATIMES) Hollywood downloads a post-DVD future, longer waits for movies

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Ripclawe

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http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-fi-cover-dvd-future-20110925-1,0,4633558,print.story

Across Hollywood, a quiet revolution is brewing that's about to transform living rooms around the world.

After desperate attempts to prop up the industry's once-thriving DVD business, studio executives now believe the only hope of turning around a 40% decline in home entertainment revenue lies in rapidly accelerating the delivery of movies over the Internet.

In the next few years, the growing number of consumers with Internet-connected televisions, tablets and smartphones will face a dizzying array of options designed to make digital movie consumption a lot more convenient and to entice users to spend more money.

With films that can be accessed on any digital device, downloaded as iPhone apps or shared on Facebook as easily as a photo, it may be the biggest shift in Hollywood's business model since the explosion of the DVD in the late 1990s.

"The days of baby steps on the Internet are over," said David Bishop, president of Sony Pictures' home entertainment unit. "It's now critical that we experiment as much as possible and determine how to build a vibrant market for collecting digital movies."

Though the online movie business has been growing at a healthy clip for the last few years, driven in large part by the majority of Netflix's 24 million U.S. subscribers who stream video, it hasn't come close to making up for the rapid drop in DVD revenue. Insiders attribute that to the lack of selection — thousands of movies available on disc still can't be found online — and to the complexity of downloading a film on one device and watching it on another.

Studios are eager to change that by offering more movies in easier ways, but there's not yet a consensus on how. As a result, people who connect their TVs to the Internet or buy iPads will face a vastly expanded but potentially confusing menu of options to access films from different sources in various ways.

"What you have now is a lot of people pursuing a lot of different paths to figure out how to reverse the trends we've been seeing," Paramount Pictures Vice Chairman Rob Moore said.

One thing is certain: People who like inexpensive movie rentals are going to have to get used to waiting longer than they do now. Studios are beginning to use the Internet to slice up the market so that people who are willing to buy a movie or pay more to rent it can get it sooner.

Four studios have already experimented with so-called premium video on demand, in which consumers pay $30 to rent a movie only two months after it debuts in theaters. Recently Sony Pictures began selling some movies online two weeks before they become available on DVD.

At the same time, some studios that make Netflix and kiosk rental company Redbox wait until 28 days after a DVD goes on sale before they can offer it for rent want to lengthen that delay. They believe such a move will encourage consumers to pay more to buy or rent a movie digitally.

By next year, consumers may have to wait two months or longer after a movie goes on sale before they can get it in a Redbox kiosk or Netflix envelope. Those who want to stream films online for a flat monthly fee from Netflix, Amazon or Blockbuster will in many cases wait years until those titles have completed their runs on cable networks like HBO.


"I see movies going down a path over time from premium sell-through all the way to the lowest-price rentals," said Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Studios Home Entertainment. "If we get digital right, consumers are going to get what they're willing to pay for."

Until now, most people have been largely uninterested in buying movies online, no matter the price or timing. Purchasing digitally typically means downloading a file to a single device, less convenient than a disc that can be moved from a bedroom to a minivan to a portable DVD player. Research firm IHS Screen Digest estimates that Internet movie purchases will be flat this year compared to last, while online rentals will surge 41%.

Hollywood's solution is to put movies in the "cloud," creating virtual copies that people can access, after purchase, from any Internet-connected device. An initiative called UltraViolet will launch this year, when Blu-ray discs for films like "Green Lantern" and "The Smurfs" will come with free cloud copies. By next year, most online and DVD purchases will connect to UltraViolet's "virtual locker," and Apple's iTunes is expected to have a similar offering.

To encourage people to embrace the cloud, studios are even considering offering digital copies of DVDs they already own for a nominal fee.

"Historically when you bought a DVD you were really just buying the physical copy," said Edward Lichty, general manager of Wal-Mart Stores' digital service Vudu. "It's a profound development to say you own the movie itself and it can't be broken or lost."

Studios are rethinking not only how to sell movies online but where. The next frontier, many agree, is Facebook. Some have already started renting movies to people who click "like," but many executives hope to do more. People could use social networks to watch films with friends, share clips and play social games related to movies. They could also get recommendations based on the "likes" of people on their friends list.

Similarly, many in the entertainment industry are hoping that smartphones and tablets will be more than just another screen for watching movies. They're looking for ways to create movie-specific apps, as Warner Bros. has already done for titles like "Inception," and to use the devices as "second screens" with additional content such as director commentaries.

"On these new platforms we have to forget the way we have thought about movies as 'transactions' and think about them more as 'experiences,'" Lionsgate President Steve Beeks said.

On a recent Tuesday afternoon in Los Angeles, the need for Hollywood to make the great digital leap was evident as customers searched for bargains at Rocket Video's going-out-of-business sale.

A mecca for L.A. cinephiles for more than 30 years, Rocket offered tough-to-find art-house and foreign films. But like giant chain Blockbuster, which shuttered more than 1,750 stores in the last year alone, Rocket saw revenue plummet as customers flocked to less expensive and on-demand alternatives.

"I used to buy a lot of DVDs, but since two years ago I've just been using Netflix and iTunes," said Katherine Canipe, a 26-year-old actress clutching a copy of "Pet Sematary" that she had just plucked off the shelf. "I hate to see places like this going away, but I know I'm part of the problem."

As he sold off the store's more than 50,000 DVDs and VHS tapes, longtime store manager Jeff Miller remembered the days when Rocket was packed on Friday and Saturday nights with young people stocking up for a weekend of movie watching.

"It just became obvious we weren't making as much as we used to and there was a shift to an older crowd," he said.

Now the remaining customers have been asking Miller what they should do.

"I don't know what to tell them," the self-professed technophobe admitted. "But recently I've been thinking even I have to figure out how to get movies on the Internet."
 
Movie Studios will never learn. their last plot to delay Netflix and redbox movies worked wonders for the industry didn't it? :p

I would not be suprised if down the line the studios adopt the ideas of detecting if the movie you are watching is used or purchased by the owner of the device and if it is not your movie, ask you to pay up before watching it.
 

DEO3

Member
The longer they take to get their movies to people, the more likely people will choose to pirate them instead. If the industry truly wants to make piracy a thing of the past, then they need to make access to their content more easily accessible, not less.
 
DEO3 said:
The longer they take to get their movies to people, the more likely people will choose to pirate them instead. If the industry truly wants to make piracy a thing of the past, then they need to make access to their content more easily accessible, not less.
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This is going to end up being a mess. Probably with each movie studio wanting to run their own individual service. That is exactly the wrong thing to do.
 

Hari Seldon

Member
Those waits do not matter. It is a pipeline system, movies come out all the time and therefore there are always new movies to rent.
 

zychi

Banned
DEO3 said:
The longer they take to get their movies to people, the more likely people will choose to pirate them instead. If the industry truly wants to make piracy a thing of the past, then they need to make access to their content more easily accessible, not less.
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as soon as those region 5 movies hit the internet, they need to release the us version.

and just for the sake of hurting a movie, stop sending out screeners. drive is a fantastic movie that just came out and was getting some good word of mouth before it leaked.
 

LCGeek

formerly sane
zychi said:
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as soon as those region 5 movies hit the internet, they need to release the us version.

and just for the sake of hurting a movie, stop sending out screeners. drive is a fantastic movie that just came out and was getting some good word of mouth before it leaked.

Your last bit cannot be stressed enough. I find it sad often for big releases some piracy groups are out there with dvd level quality of video which is more than enough for most downloading. The studios bitch about piracy yet like other big entertainment forms can't control the pipeline well enough to negate it where it does the most damage.
 

Tuck

Member
I feel like all of those attempts (Movies coming out on Netflix years later) would just make people pirate a lot more than they already do.
 
I had a group lunch with the CFO/CIO of Legendary Pictures, and the topic of digital distribution came up. He's a smart guy, but as I thought he would, he reflected a lot of the industry sentiment in dismissing digital distribution.
 

Centurion

Banned
can't wait till hollywood drowns in its greed.

not sure who I hate more, movie industry or the cable/internet industry.
 

alr1ght

bish gets all the credit :)
Maybe, just maybe, DVDs sales were an outlier and they shouldn't expect to repeat them with Blu-ray. Naww.
 
planar1280 said:
Movie Studios will never learn. their last plot to delay Netflix and redbox movies worked wonders for the industry didn't it? :p

I would not be suprised if down the line the studios adopt the ideas of detecting if the movie you are watching is used or purchased by the owner of the device and if it is not your movie, ask you to pay up before watching it.

Good, the used market is destroying the film industry. These movies cost sometimes over a hundred million dollars to make. That money should go to the people who made the movie. The used market and renting is no different than piracy as far as I'm concerned.
 

Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
planar1280 said:
Movie Studios will never learn. their last plot to delay Netflix and redbox movies worked wonders for the industry didn't it? :p

I would not be suprised if down the line the studios adopt the ideas of detecting if the movie you are watching is used or purchased by the owner of the device and if it is not your movie, ask you to pay up before watching it.
Online pass for movies? Sounds great!

 

Superman00

Liverpool01
DEO3 said:
The longer they take to get their movies to people, the more likely people will choose to pirate them instead. If the industry truly wants to make piracy a thing of the past, then they need to make access to their content more easily accessible, not less.

Seriously, it's like these studios are little kids. Delaying the release didn't help, hey, let delay them even more.
 
DEO3 said:
The longer they take to get their movies to people, the more likely people will choose to pirate them instead. If the industry truly wants to make piracy a thing of the past, then they need to make access to their content more easily accessible, not less.
Or maybe I'll just stop watching them.
 

legend166

Member
I don't think the idea of a monthly subscription services for on demand movies will be sustainable in the long run.

If movie studios were smart, they'd band together to create a non-profit, unified storefront to sell their movies to consumers. By non-profit I mean, the storefront itself doesn't exist to make profit for itself, if you catch my drift.

Offer 48 hour rentals for $1/3/5, and DRM free digital copies for $10/15.

I don't know why it's so hard.
 
I havent purchased a movie since.....2003?


Im not a pirate. I only use redbox, and infrequently at that.

The 28 day wait? Who cares. Wasnt it a 9 month wait in the blockbuster days?

Why do I give a shit if the movie hit theaters in March or July? I just look what they have available, and go from there.

Im perpetually behind, so the waits dont bother me. If moves ONLY came out September-December, that would be an issue....but movies come out every damn week.

Is x movie not on redbox yet?

Ok. Ill rent movie y. Not an issue. Ill get x next month, or if its still not out, z.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Didn't Paramount do a study that showed the 28 day wait had a completely insignificant effect on sales?
 
By next year, consumers may have to wait two months or longer after a movie goes on sale before they can get it in a Redbox kiosk or Netflix envelope. Those who want to stream films online for a flat monthly fee from Netflix, Amazon or Blockbuster will in many cases wait years until those titles have completed their runs on cable networks like HBO.

Heh this seems so ass backwards compared to anyone who grew up in the 80s. Anyone else remember how most movies were only available for rental and not for sale? In fact selling a video often came way later after the rental. Rental copies would cost over $100 per hit too.
 
Hasphat'sAnts said:
I had a group lunch with the CFO/CIO of Legendary Pictures, and the topic of digital distribution came up. He's a smart guy, but as I thought he would, he reflected a lot of the industry sentiment in dismissing digital distribution.

Sort of argues against the fact that he's smart, doesn't it?

(Yes, I know there are different kinds of smarts...but clinging to an outdated business model isn't one of them).
 
bdizzle said:
Good, the used market is destroying the film industry. These movies cost sometimes over a hundred million dollars to make. That money should go to the people who made the movie. The used market and renting is no different than piracy as far as I'm concerned.

I can't tell if you're joking, trolling, or just misguided. Well done.
 
At the same time, some studios that make Netflix and kiosk rental company Redbox wait until 28 days after a DVD goes on sale before they can offer it for rent want to lengthen that delay. They believe such a move will encourage consumers to pay more to buy or rent a movie digitally.

By next year, consumers may have to wait two months or longer after a movie goes on sale before they can get it in a Redbox kiosk or Netflix envelope. Those who want to stream films online for a flat monthly fee from Netflix, Amazon or Blockbuster will in many cases wait years until those titles have completed their runs on cable networks like HBO.
What a brilliant idea. I can't see any way that could backfire.
 

Owzers

Member
Dear movie studios: Are you making anything easier or better? No? Then why do i care? Do you think i subscribe to Netflix Streaming to have the newest content? The best movies? No, it's affordable and easy to access and there's ENOUGH good content to keep subscribing for now. The idea of making things more difficult on users to get more money.....have fun with that.
 
Four studios have already experimented with so-called premium video on demand, in which consumers pay $30 to rent a movie only two months after it debuts in theaters.

That will just lead to perfect quality pirate copies available two months after movies debut in theatres. Kinda feel for movie companies on that one, there's no way out.
 

Evolved1

make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
I just wont watch shit... like television... don't watch it anymore. The more obtrusive and annoying studios/companies get the less I watch or buy. Fuck em.
 

sk3

Banned
I remember when VHS movies were $100-$200 while they were only available for rent at blockbuster, etc. That is never coming back, as much as these terrible companies want it to.
 
Hasphat'sAnts said:
I had a group lunch with the CFO/CIO of Legendary Pictures, and the topic of digital distribution came up. He's a smart guy, but as I thought he would, he reflected a lot of the industry sentiment in dismissing digital distribution.
Yeah Legendary is more on the production side of things than the distribution side.
 
bdizzle said:
Good, the used market is destroying the film industry. These movies cost sometimes over a hundred million dollars to make. That money should go to the people who made the movie. The used market and renting is no different than piracy as far as I'm concerned.
aaaahahahaha
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
I'll say this, if I had to wait the typical 4-6 months before the movie arrives on DVD to watch. On top of an extra month already, adding another month isn't going to do anything to disturb my habits.
 

dabig2

Member
Yeah....it's time for our generation (20-30 somethings) to completely wrestle control from these dinosaurs who have no idea of what the hell they're doing.
 
Why do we have to wait X amount of days to "rent" a movie? Why not release it everywhere across all platforms [theatres, online, netflix, whatever] day 1? It's like launching a video game but you can only buy at select retailers.
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
Make download movies BD quality, and make them with some very reasonable DRM, and I'll buy that instead, no problem. No chance of it happening though.

dabig2 said:
Yeah....it's time for our generation (20-30 somethings) to completely wrestle control from these dinosaurs who have no idea of what the hell they're doing.
Sounds great, can we also band together and make movies that we're going to watch, to completely get them out of equation?

That, I think is the core of the problem. They make movies and without them they pretty much wouldn't exist. I can imagine music labels dying, as music is cheap enough to make and many musicians can do it without help of any big label. It's anything but when it comes to movies though.
 

Jin34

Member
Lord Error said:
Make download movies BD quality, and make them with some very reasonable DRM, and I'll buy that instead, no problem. No chance of it happening though.

The downloads would be huge, so then you run into the problem of data caps. This whole situation is just one giant of clusterfuck of different types of companies all inter-fucking each other over and the consumers in an attempt to keep things the way they are/were. I can't see it ending well for anyone.
 

Particle Physicist

between a quark and a baryon
specialguy said:
That will just lead to perfect quality pirate copies available two months after movies debut in theatres. Kinda feel for movie companies on that one, there's no way out.


How about... don't charge 30 fucken dollars to rent a movie. Make it cheap enough that it is an impulse buy.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
I cannot conceive of paying $30 to rent a shitty romantic comedy. Can I bet against this business plan somehow?
 
DEO3 said:
The longer they take to get their movies to people, the more likely people will choose to pirate them instead. If the industry truly wants to make piracy a thing of the past, then they need to make access to their content more easily accessible, not less.
Its so simple, its like its too simple for them to actually realize.

That or they think their demands mean a damn thing in a world with actual choice and competition.
 

entremet

Member
Hollywood is so clueless. I stopped buying BR because of the all the unskippable content. What a fucking terrible consumer experience, especially for a paying customer.

I love movies and want the medium to remain healthy for continued output, but Hollywood is so damn clueless.
 
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