SLB1904
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the tools excuse wasn't working.. now they can say sony paid for parity for every single game that is coming out.
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Leaked Marketing Agreement for RE8 Forces Parity and Blocks the Game From GamePass
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splattered
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I'm more concerned about the parity requirements than i am the gamepass blocking, that's some real bullshit
Allnamestakenlol
Member
My statement stands! Even if it doesn't pertain in this instance.
assurdum
Banned
Good Lord it's not referred to the graphic setup.
"subject to material platform limitations". If series X haven't platform limitations to achieve better graphic setup, they are legitimated to use them.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Sony has been transitioning to soft good for ages. They want to have as much sales and profits from software, subs, movies etc..... with as little hardware and people (overhead) as possible. That improves profit margins.
That's why over the years, they cut down on TVs, got rid of VAIO, cut back cellphones to premium models only, and gutted studios.
The more conservative way of doing is busy is less is more. And doing partnership gaming deals are less risky as they are on a game by game basis. Floating an internal studio of 100-200 people + all the office space and gear isn't worth it unless it's giant sellers like ND or Insomniac games.
itsjustJEFF
Member
You grown ass ppl still crying about this
I can't believe the depth of some of your fanboyism to believe that only "Evil Sony" is doing this. While "Angel MS" has never made any similar deals... Bruh, you guys really go to bat for these mega corporations.
I can't believe the depth of some of your fanboyism to believe that only "Evil Sony" is doing this. While "Angel MS" has never made any similar deals... Bruh, you guys really go to bat for these mega corporations.
MasterDerico
Member
Now this gif is totally valid to all mess sony is doing nowdays!
MasterCornholio
Member
Good Lord it's not referred to the graphic setup.
I'm going to wait and see if Sony really did pay for technical parity like some people are thinking or it's just people wanting to blame Sony if there isn't a massive difference in multiplatform games.
splattered
Member
Good Lord it's not referred to the graphic setup.
Section 1.4 as you posted yourself states a requirement of technical parity (subject to material platform limitations) with any equivevalent version of the game released on competitive platforms. Sounds very much like the PS5 HAS to perform as well as competing platforms within the PS5's technical limits, so if the XSX performs better it has to be scaled back to match PS5 performance.
Dr Bass
Member
That's not what it's saying at all. Other people have already explained it in this thread, and it's plain English. I don't get how people are misinterpreting this.
They must be seeing "technical parity" and freaking out.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
I wouldn't trust that now as one still could be held back and gimped someway.
assurdum
Banned
You can't be serious. The point implies the exact contrary, if ps5 can't outperform for platform limitations, Capcom is free to do whatever they prefer with the series X. Anyway technical parity is not referred to graphic parity for the fuck sake.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Well I already think the game is held back by last gen systems. But if the XSX runs it at a higher resolution this will all go away. Anyways people shouldn't blame Sony if there isn't massive differences between the two. Most likely the two systems are close together in peformance.
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Bogroll
Likes moldy games
What if it runs a lot worse than Ps5. Sony could let give the thumbs up to that. You can't trust someone who has to put shit like that in the contract.
assurdum
Banned
MS putted similar clauses in their contract deals. Jesus people stop it with this absurdity.
MasterCornholio
Member
You're honestly expecting a massive difference between the two systems? I think you just need to accept that the PS5 and the XSX are pretty close. There isn't a huge gulf in power between the two systems.
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Bogroll
Likes moldy games
No but you know the score, you're in the comparison threads. For example if xbox was running averages at 1800p 56fps and and Ps5 is 1440p drs upto 1800p but mainly somewhere in between but 60fps locked. Thats fucking massive on here. Man even 5 frames is over 30000 frames is here.
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MasterCornholio
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Well if you think it's massive that's your fault for setting your expectations so high. From the comparison that I've seen both consoles seem pretty close. It's not like the PS5 is a 1080P box that plays games at 30FPs while the XSX is a Native 4K box churning than out at 60FPs. They are pretty much in the same tier.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
My fault, did I say it was massive. You're the one in the comparison threads saying you where expecting thegap to be bigger for Xbox.
Well at least you used to be as I rarely enter them now.
Derktron
Banned
I’m loving it. It’s so pathetic. Now fanboys of PlayStation get to feel what Xbox fanboys felt whenever a hate rumor started.
MasterCornholio
Member
Well from what was said early last year I thought the gap would be massive. But then all the comparisons changed my mind. I really was expecting the PS5 to he a broken underpowered system but I learned my lesson.
I thought the PS5 would be a rip off compared to the XSX but it's actually priced extremely well. I wouldn't want one if there was a massive gap but since there isn't I definitely want to pick one up.
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JackMcGunns
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Content, feature and....
Drum roll...
Technical parity.
B...b....bu, but they said technical parity, not graphical parity
Drum roll...
Technical parity.
B...b....bu, but they said technical parity, not graphical parity
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Then there's no objective way to determine on what platform a title was more popular.
shenmue mugen
Member
That is the way I read it too.Good Lord it's not referred to the graphic setup.
"subject to material platform limitations". If series X haven't platform limitations to achieve better graphic setup, they are legitimated to use them.
The Hamburglar
Banned
What’s your job btw
JackMcGunns
Member
I mean when Sony pays for technical parity and developers use GDK for cross-platform, then it's hard to show the gap even though it's there, but that won't last forever.
mckmas8808
Banned
MS would be buying publishers even if Sony didn't get timed exclusives. How do you not understand that?
MasterCornholio
Member
Sure keep believing the PS5 is extremely underpowered if that's your thing. If multiplats are close you are just going to blame Sony for parity.
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JackMcGunns
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Where's the word "extremely"? never mind, I see you pulled off the same thing with another user
killatopak
Gold Member
It’s called sales.
edit: let’s humor you for a bit then.
Let’s not compare PS and Nintendo consoles. Let’s compare Nintento to Nintendo.
Giving the earlier example RE4 another go.
Wii -100m
GC - 22m
PS3 - 87m
There we see that there is almost an entire PS3s worth of installbase that haven’t played RE4 before. Very in line with your comparison of an entire PS3 worth of installbase that haven’t played REmake.
Why is it that we never even come close to the increase of ratio in sales? In fact not even a fourth of what REmake has experienced. RE4 is the best selling RE game on GC.
Or maybe, just maybe, the audience who actually like survival horror or just RE in general aren’t Nintendo players. At the very least not as much as PS players like RE. Heck you can add Xbox players there as both userbases are very similar in tastes.
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MasterCornholio
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Where's the word "extremely"? never mind, I see you pulled off the same thing with another user
Only if you believe its extremely underpowered if not then you're fine.
When it comes to this game many people expected the PS5 to struggle at 1080P. And it's expected for the XSX to run it at a Native 4K. This is mostly based off the early rumors that Dusk have us. That's what I mean by massive power difference. If people are expecting that with games they will be disappointed and just blame Sony for parity. Although I am expecting the XSX to have the edge it won't be enough to make the PS5 look underpowered in comparison.
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JackMcGunns
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Mister Wolf
Member
Shit, they stopped being "for the players" the day they stopped me from playing the Tomb Raider sequels on my Sega Saturn. I do business with Sony, but I still have a little "fuck you" in my heart for them.
Negotiator101
Gold Member
Holy shit that is some shady shit from Sony! Disgusting, is someone going to defend this?I'd like to see how this works with the PC version of the game. Will we not be able to use native 4k?
Dr Kaneda
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The contact just basically saying that if the PS5 IS TECHNICALLY ABLE/CAPABLE of running the game at a certain technical specification that CAPCOM have managed to achieve on XBOX then that means CAPCOM is contractually obligated to get PS5 up to parity either by using the PS5's available technical ability to get their or by gimping the XBOX version if they must. But if the PS5 is literally not TECHNICALLY ABLE/CAPABLE of running it at those specs then it fine for CAPCOM to have the XBOX version run better than the PS5 version.
It just basically means that CAPCOM needs to take care into actually utilising the PS5 hardware correctly. A good example would say be Bayonetta on the PS3/360, it ran significantly worse on the PS3 than the 360 despite the PS3 actually being technical capable of running it as well as the 360 if not better. Platinum just didn't know and/or didn't care about how to utilise the PS3 correctly, it had NOTHING to do with the material limitations of the PS3. What a contractual obligation like this would have done is ensure that Platinum actually put time/effort/skill/resources into getting to gripes with the PS3 and actually delivering a game that makes full use of the system.
If a company is paying you for marketing rights then obviously you can't just hamfist and release a shoddy port/version since they are more or less partially paying for development costs, pretty obvious.
It just basically means that CAPCOM needs to take care into actually utilising the PS5 hardware correctly. A good example would say be Bayonetta on the PS3/360, it ran significantly worse on the PS3 than the 360 despite the PS3 actually being technical capable of running it as well as the 360 if not better. Platinum just didn't know and/or didn't care about how to utilise the PS3 correctly, it had NOTHING to do with the material limitations of the PS3. What a contractual obligation like this would have done is ensure that Platinum actually put time/effort/skill/resources into getting to gripes with the PS3 and actually delivering a game that makes full use of the system.
If a company is paying you for marketing rights then obviously you can't just hamfist and release a shoddy port/version since they are more or less partially paying for development costs, pretty obvious.
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Topher
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Negotiator101
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It's there in black and white mate.
ManaByte
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MasterCornholio
Member
So you're saying that whenever the two are close it's because Sony forced parity?
Just seems like an excuse whenever there isn't a large difference between two versions of a game.
MasterCornholio
Member
Reminds me of the fear that the PS4 wouldn't be taken advantage of due to parity. While it was true in some cases the two systems were not that far apart and most games performed better on the PS5. I expect this gen to play out more or less the same. The multiplats will be similar between the two but the XSX will probably edge out. Nothing to do with Sony paying developers to hold the XSX back. It's not like you can expect one platform to run games on low while the other runs them at maximum settings.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
This is weird, why would you compare GC wii and PS3, and not directly GC and ps2?
If the gc version sold 1.6m and the ps2 version sold 2.3m, then it seems to me that a much larger percentage of people, per console userbase bought the game on GC, making it more popular amongst GC players than ps2 players.
And if you then compare wii to ps2, and substract possible non first buyers from GC, then it's still a larger percentage of people buying RE4 on wii than on ps2.