theprodigy
Member
For those keeping count, Wii U is down 29.4% YoY w/ Media Create and 23.4% with Famtisu.
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Media Create Sales: Week 15, 2014 (Apr 07 - Apr 13)
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ArchedThunder
Banned
They also can't afford to just shove a replacement out, they have to make sure they get it right, that's why I think that holiday 2015 would be the right time. They can get a few more games for the 3DS out like Smash and Pokemon Z and then launch a system that isn't half baked.
Hellraider
Member
That's what I would like to believe. The thing is even if Nintendo honestly would prefer to have a successor sooner, can they actually afford to release it when WiiU is in the situation it is and with QOL also releasing this (next?) year. Just like you say, will the company be able to ride on 4DS sole success and will they want to take that risk?
ArchedThunder
Banned
They can't release a successor to the Wii U until 2016 at the earliest.
There is also the software issue to consider, the lack of which hit both the WiiU and 3DS hard. 3DS was able to turn it around but the WiiU wasn't so lucky.
Do they continue spending resources on 3DS/WiiU or should they shift focus to the successor(s) and guarantee a better launch and stream of releases thereafter?
They would really benefit from a hybrid successor since they would no longer have to stretch their development teams and IPs thin between two platforms.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Both of those are generally a bad idea.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Iwata said part of the reason that they are basing the next handheld and console's architecture off of the Wii U is so that they can make sure launches go smoother and there are fewer droughts. Expect the next handheld to launch with a lot of cross platform games with Wii U.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
sörine;108371136 said:
I don't know what to answer to your comment
We said the exact same thing, except more elaborated on your end. Never have I implied that it's all rainbows and unicorns.
The quote was in relation to why 3rd party developers were not announcing more content on 3DS - to which I answered developers who found success on PSP, some are transitioning to PSVita and have found considerable successes in their titles (The Legend of Heroes, God Eater, Toukiden, etc.) - why break away from that model? (paraphrasing here)
sörine;108371136 said:
The thing about companies like Square and Konami though is that they are shadows of their former selves in general, whereas the niche companies are still doing their thing.
Square's offerings on the 3DS compared to the DS too are lacking quite a bit in comparison, its not just PSP/Vita.
So the PS3/Vita root? Lets see how it works out for them I guess.
Well I don't think the people who are saying the vita numbers are "good" or "ok" are joking.
No.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Well the PS3 and Vita don't share an architecture, so it will be a lot easier for devs to do cross platform games.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
VitaGAF is hype, but this is a horrible week for everyone. The Japanese market makes my heart ache ):
Nah, there've been a couple of other weeks here and there. Soul Sacrifice week I think? Also this is the second time in recent weeks the two trackers have been divided.
michaelius
Banned
First time on regular week without price drop or new revision to boost hardware.
But with those included it's third time.
Moral Panic
Member
I'd be very surprised if the next Nintendo home console (if it ever exists) isn't a hybrid. The market is way too volatile, no one knows whether home consoles sell in Japan anymore, and Nintendo is too Japan centric to completely realign themselves to fit western tastes. If PS4 had come out blazing then I'd say Ninety would just go for power next ten, but since it hasn't (well from what I see so far), I can't see them putting their faith and spending cash to make a high-powered console. And as we've seen on the WiiU, gimmick consoles seem to be very hit and miss.
theprodigy
Member
nah it happened last year with the price cut
also that was the only unanimous win for Vita, because Media Create and Famitsu be trolling right now
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Mobil is thriving. The market is fine, it just shifted.
sörine;108371136 said:
Resource consolidations peeled off a lot of the bigger titles.I don't know what to answer to your comment
We said the exact same thing, except more elaborated on your end. Never have I implied that it's all rainbows and unicorns.
The quote was in relation to why 3rd party developers were not announcing more content on 3DS - to which I answered developers who found success on PSP are mostly transitioning to PSVita and have found considerable successes in their titles (The Legend of Heroes, God Eater, Toukiden, etc.) - why break away from that model? (paraphrasing here)
Type-0's staff is on FFXV, Peace Walker's staff is on MGSV, KHBBS/KH3D's staff is on KH3, Dissidia's team spread across various bigger projects.
While those games were big on handhelds, none of them were so big as to be worth taking off resources they needed for much higher potential console games.
Similarly high performing mobile titles killed off most of Konami's line-up, because why invest in something that barely makes money when you can invest in something that is much cheaper, much safer, and makes way more money in aggregate.
At this point we largely have flagships left, since there usually isn't a more obvious choice to put your staff on than your flagship games. It's just that for a lot of developers, their flagships are very small (see companies like Nippon Ichi, Gust).
Inherently there are a few bets as well, like Level 5 attempting (seemingly successfully) to replace the waning success of Inazuma Eleven and Layton with Yokai Watch and Koei trying to muscle into the open void left by Capcom on the Vita, but as a whole there just isn't a huge variety of moderate to higher profile titles left.
Now, first parties of course can help fill this in by making both more risky and more major flagship titles to try and make up the loss in both categories, but it's hard to keep up that kind of output while juggling two platforms, which is what both vendors are doing.
michaelius
Banned
LegendofLex
Member
GBA release date
March 21, 2001
DS release date
November 21, 2004
3 years, 8 months difference
GBA sales LTD (end of third full fiscal year)
51.4m
3DS sales LTD (as of Dec 2013, one quarter less than listed GBA LTD)
42.74m
The software sales gap is similar.
If Nintendo could release new handheld hardware in 2004 (mind that DS launched before PSP), the real question is why they wouldn't release new handheld hardware in 2015.
michaelius
Banned
Because they have their resources tied by Wii U trainwreck and Iwata QOL wunderwaffe.
Probably the Turbo-16/PC engine too.
Edit: yeah the Vita really is a saturn. According to Wikipedia (?reliable?) Saturn sold 6 million in JP and 2 in NA. That sounds like LTDs for the Vita.
LegendofLex
Member
That might explain where 3DS development went.
ArchedThunder
Banned
QOL isn't taking anyone away from game development and the next handheld is going to share a similar architecture with the Wii U so they can easily port games, engines and assets over.
Nah, just a larger shipment.
Those numbers cover period of time before annoucement
Sequel was announced on April 11th, a Friday. The data cover until April 13rd, Sunday after. And good amount of sales are registered during the weekend usually
Spieler Eins
Member
Because 2015 unfortunately is the sad year of QOL.
There's also still 3DS software plans for 2015, so they should rather release a final revision alongside MH4G or something (a proper, fancy one. not that 2DS junk).
They said Miyamoto has teams making flagship software for QOL.
Nah, it's the fourth time. I remember last month(?) when Vita outsell 3DS on Famitsu but never did on Media Create which is pretty much the same this week.
kitchenmotors
Banned
I can't take these threads seriously anymore with the amount of "championing" that goes on. It's rather sad because I used to enjoy reading these threads for non-fanboy war sales talk, but now it's all hashtags and annoying hit-n-run posts.
If qof is about health but also games it is.
Well, at least you've made a useful contribution, eh?
I suspect the cheerleading has always been there, you just didn't notice it as much. I know it was prevalent throughout the 'beast mode' days of the 3DS.
The Vita turnaround has made for a plucky underdog story. People always love those.
I would imagine its the teams that make casual software already, so its pretty meaningless for now.
I Stalk Alone
Member
So Golden Week starts in 11 days (split golden week spanning over two weeks this year) have there been any rumblings of any surprises hardware wise for any of the platform holders? bundles and so forth?
around ¥5000 ($50) I believe
test_account
XP-39C²
After my experience, i think these things have almost always been there to some degree (i've been following the Media Create threads since late 2006). It dims down when nothing out of the ordinary happends. There are still serious talk going on in these threads too.
If I'm correct, that's the OG 3DS. I think 3DS LL and PSV are pretty much in the same price.
1st Course
Member
3DS LL 17,993
3DS 6,051
PS Vita 21,862
PS Vita TV 1,003
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/vita...fall-makes-famitsu-s-japanese-top-ten/0131239
3DS 6,051
PS Vita 21,862
PS Vita TV 1,003
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/vita...fall-makes-famitsu-s-japanese-top-ten/0131239