Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Might see it happen again when Persona Q comes out.
Im curious how many of those LE 3DS LLs they made, since that shit is GONE from the internet pretty much in terms of pre-orders.
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Media Create Sales: Week 17, 2014 (Apr 21 - Apr 27)
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Might see it happen again when Persona Q comes out.
Im curious how many of those LE 3DS LLs they made, since that shit is GONE from the internet pretty much in terms of pre-orders.
I assume you're counting Zelda as announced too. Or do you think it won't come?
But, no one knows what games it will get in 2016+ or what the situation will even be. So software comparisons don't have much use as of now.
The only viable comparison would be Zelda versus FFXV, but that's assuming FFXV can fit into 2015, which may be a stretch.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Metallix87
Member
Why the heck not?
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Here is a graph showing the last 10 years of console sales (taken from the numbers of past MC threads):
Handhelds:
Handhelds are safe this generation, and can last for another generation, but I don't think the bump that the PS4 will give the console chart will be enough to save consoles, I think it's time to rethink consoles as a whole.
Handhelds:
Handhelds are safe this generation, and can last for another generation, but I don't think the bump that the PS4 will give the console chart will be enough to save consoles, I think it's time to rethink consoles as a whole.
theprodigy
Member
might as well put "a Wii U Fire Emblem will save the Wii U" if you believe that
#1) Because it's on Wii U
#2) Because the platform it's on has literally one other JRPG.
#3) As the Wii has demonstrated, the audience for these games won't buying hardware for a tiny amount of games.
#4) To be big, it actually has to exist.
Basically, because it's on Wii U.
sörine;110084764 said:
the games you listed seem to be way more handheld oriented than the ones you are quoting but whatever carry on with the ps4 is dead narrative as that isn't going to change for the time being and none of those games are likely to come out this year to prove anything either way
I'm glad those days are gone, to put it mildly. It wasn't a system that deserved such dominance.
I really don't think that would be big either, especially on WiiU.
Zelda Musou will do much better IMO.
I wouldn't worry about FF losing any or very little of it's brand presence .
FF X hd sales outselling the latest FF13 sequel and iirc becoming one of the best selling HD remakes tells me people are not tired of the brand . they are tired of XIII .
Unless Nomura somehow manages to royally screw it up. i do not see why XV won't be a success .
FF X hd sales outselling the latest FF13 sequel and iirc becoming one of the best selling HD remakes tells me people are not tired of the brand . they are tired of XIII .
Unless Nomura somehow manages to royally screw it up. i do not see why XV won't be a success .
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
The best.
I think it'll probably sell on par with Etrian Odyssey games, if not a bit higher due to Persona name. So I don't really expect that much effect on the hardware. I could be wrong though.
Have fun getting murdered with an axe in your sleep.
You are expecting FFXV to be a leggy title but recent FF games have shown that 90% of LT sales are form the first 3 weeks.
almost as niche as Persona
Metallix87
Member
I never said it would save the Wii U. I think it could be a big seller, though, if and when it launches.
Why so bitter?
It deserves it, because it has the best games (in this case, the games Japan wants the most).
GloriousBagel
Banned
I'm a huge SMT fan but you do realize how niche SMT is right?
Black Republican
Member
i think its because people were expecting it to sell loads off name brand and being a "real next gen console" alone, especially when Wii U had a crappy start in Japan too
michaelius
Banned
Zelda is likely late 2015. And that's it as far as big Nintendo games are concerned.
2016 might get some small projects or HD remakes
Brutalitops
Banned
What's the next PS4 release that has potential for a sales bump in japan? Or the next PS4 release in general?
theprodigy
Member
define "big seller", Awakening hasn't broken 500k in Japan presumably and that's an actual Fire Emblem game on the 3DS, I'd be surprised if it could get half of that total
The audience isn't there.
If it was on the 3DS, then it might do some decent numbers, but on the WiiU?
Metallix87
Member
That's not what makes me think it'll do very well. It's the Fire Emblem.
250k - 300k is what I was thinking. Not a system seller, but a big seller.
It's not that simple though, is it? If it was, everyone would bow to their mobile overlords without complaint.
Regardless, it's probably best not to go down this rabbit hole. We can just agree to disagree.
Yup. You know full well how I feel about the 3DS.
In this situation maybe but it'll be a very long time before we'll find out.
Metallix87
Member
I know how you feel, but you should know success is earned and deserved based on software, not hardware.
Beanie SPIIIIRIT!!
No clue if the Japanese audience will like it...will se by the end of the month.
The last console Fire Emblem to hit the sales figures you're asking was back on the SNES. An unsuccessful platform that has nothing in its software library to support it isn't going to push those numbers.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I think it'll probably sell on par with Etrian Odyssey games, if not a bit higher due to Persona name. So I don't really expect that much effect on the hardware. I could be wrong though.
Have fun getting murdered with an axe in your sleep.
She's not that bad.......lol
FFX HD is at 550k iirc. It is the best selling HD remaster by a notable amount.
And how do know this? If this is just your prediction, then that's fine. But you're adamently repeating it.
Like I said, outside of Zelda, first party games don't usually get announced/trailer more than a year out, so we don't know about 2015/2016.
So how can we do list wars for 2016 if Nintendo doesn't announce things that far in advance?
I'm not saying the PS4 won't outsell the Wii U. It will in my opinion. But comparing future software is kind of dumb as of right now.
The FE name will not help move that game
Well that kinda explains why nobody really gives a damn about WiiU in Japan...
Funny how people forget that when the PS4 stomps everything in the west, and mobile crushes handhelds with ease.
GloriousBagel
Banned
Both do similar numbers right? I would compare SMT IV and P4G sales but SMT IV isn't out in EU.
Metallix87
Member
I'm speaking simply of Japan. I'm still not sure why, given it's library, the PS4 is doing so well in the West.
As for mobile, it has great games, but the hardware is very limiting in control scheme. The same is not true if the 3DS.
Not sure who would argue against this. It's always games. People like to blame other factors, but it kind of is always games (and price too, I guess).
it is a wasteland atm in terms of release dates and hence the horrible sales. between now and tgs we might have get some idea on when titles like mgs 5, ffxv, re,kh, etc... will come out. the next two years (2015 and 2016) will decide the fate of ps4 when all the big game franchises would have been released
It's the software, as you said. It clearly has the best library.
One analogue stick.
I have no interest in InFamous and it has nothing to do with Japanese sales... but, dammit, it's a toque.
I think it's worth noting that looking at historical trends, Fire Emblem is a lot like modern Zelda - the handheld entries sold well, the console entries always sold a lot less. We're talking about ~150k on both GC and Wii, and ~250k on GBA and DS. The 3DS entry exploding is an indication of that trend expanding. So far all the Nintendo franchises on WiiU are doing significantly worse than the same franchises on Wii, so there's little reason to think that a FE on the WiiU would buck the trend, much less a vague FE spinoff/tie-in/crossover game no one knows anything about.
just wait for Smash, mate. It will be glorious
plus, I think a 3D Land 2 will come, and obviously Pokemon Z. These will also do
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Well that puts things into perspective. I'm expecting 200k optimistically, but DK flopping doesn't give me confidence.
Its the same reason as the rest of the world: lack of software.
They all did pretty well on console last gen, better than most of the PS4 list. I just don't think chalkboard arguments are all that compelling on either side. Both consoles have more systemic issues making them undesirable.
Metallix87
Member
I actually disagree. As of right now, I think the Xbox One actually has the best exclusives of the three.
Not nearly as limiting as no sticks, d-pad, or buttons, and you know it.
theprodigy
Member
"but Wii U has better library than PS4/XB1", list wars, etc.
I'm pretty sure plenty of people will