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PlayStation Store Rankings [Sep 18 - Sep 25]

PS4

01/02. Persona 5 20th Anniversary PS Store Special Edition (Atlus) – {15/09/2016} (¥12.800)
02/08. Watch Dogs (72% OFF) (Ubisoft) – {26/06/2014} (¥999)
03/NEW. Utawarerumono: Futari no Hakuoro (Aquaplus) – {21/09/2016} (¥6.480)
04/07. God of War III Remastered (76% OFF) (SCE) – {16/07/2015} (¥999)
05/19. Earth Defense Force 4.1: Shadow of New Despair (25% OFF) (D3 Publisher) – {02/04/2015} (¥5.235)
06/11. Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition (SCE) – {25/12/2014} (¥2.592)
07/12. Winning Eleven 2017 (Konami) – {15/09/2016} (¥8.208)
08/05. Resident Evil 4 (Capcom) – {30/08/2016} (¥2.800)
09/10. Evolve Ultimate Edition (33% OFF) (Take Two Interactive Japan) – {23/02/2016} (¥2.532)
10/06. Salt and Sanctuary (Ska Studios) – {18/08/2016} (¥1.780)
11/16. Killzone: Shadow Fall (84% OFF) (SCE) – {22/02/2014} (¥999)
12/04. The Tomorrow Children (SIE) – {07/09/2016} (¥2.700)
13/03. Dead Rising Triple Pack (Capcom) – {13/09/2016} (¥4.990)
14/13. Resident Evil 6 (Capcom) – {29/03/2016} (¥2.800)
15/15. Resident Evil 5 (Capcom) – {28/06/2016} (¥2.800)
16/18. Watch Dogs Complete Edition (56% OFF) (Ubisoft) – {26/06/2014} (¥1.999)
17/20. Hatsune Miku: Project Diva - Future Tone (SEGA) – {23/06/2016} (¥8.424)
18/00. The Last of Us Remastered (25% OFF) (SCE) – {21/08/2014} (¥3.969)
19/01. Battlefield 4 (Electronic Arts) – {22/02/2014} (¥3.024)
20/NEW. Destiny: The Complete Collection (SIE) – {20/09/2016} (¥7.452)

Vita

01/NEW. Utawarerumono: Futari no Hakuoro (Aquaplus) – {21/09/2016} (¥6.480)
02/02. Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment (Bandai Namco) – {24/04/2014} (¥1.728)
03/03. Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition (SCE) – {29/10/2014} (¥2.592)
04/04. Romancing SaGa 2 (Square Enix) – {24/03/2016} (¥2.200)
05/07. Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational (PlayStation Vita the Best) (25% OFF) (SIE) – {10/10/2013} (¥1.782)
06/12. Persona 4: Golden (PlayStation Vita the Best) (Atlus) – {05/02/2015} (¥3.980)
07/09. Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2016 (Konami) – {28/04/2016} (¥7.538)
08/13. Adventures of Mana (15% OFF) (Square Enix) – {04/02/2016} (¥1.190)
09/00. Earth Defense Force 3 Portable (PlayStation Vita The Best) (20% OFF) (D3 Publisher) – {01/10/2015} (¥2.419)
10/06. Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana (Nihon Falcom) – {21/07/2016} (¥6.200)
11/15. Terraria (Spike Chunsoft) – {06/02/2014} (¥2.057)
12/11. Dariusburst Chronicles Saviours (30% OFF) (Kadokawa) – {15/01/2016} (¥3.680)
13/08. Coven and Labyrinth of Refrain (Nippon Ichi) – {23/06/2016} (¥5.143)
14/17. Danganronpa 1-2 Reload (Spike Chunsoft) – {10/10/2013} (¥4.834)
15/00. Utawarerumono: Itsuwari no Kamen (16% OFF) (Aquaplus) – {24/09/2015} (¥5.440)
16/20. Call of Duty: Black Ops - Declassified (Square Enix) – {20/12/2012} (¥3.240)
17/14. Atelier Shallie Plus: Alchemists of the Dusk Sea (20% OFF) (Koei Tecmo) – {03/03/2016} (¥4.443)
18/16. Touhou Genso Wanderer (Mediaescape) – {25/06/2015} (¥3.240)
19/00. Earth Defense Force Portable V2 (40% OFF) (D3 Publisher) – {11/12/2014} (¥2.988)
20/01. Metal Gear Solid 3 HD Edition (Konami) – {17/07/2012} (¥1.018)

PS3

01/02. Persona 5 20th Anniversary PS Store Special Edition (Atlus) – {15/09/2016} (¥12.800)
02/03. Resident Evil 4 (60% OFF) (Capcom) – {30/08/2016} (¥400)
03/NEW. Utawarerumono: Futari no Hakuoro (Aquaplus) – {21/09/2016} (¥6.480)
04/05. Winning Eleven 2017 (Konami) – {15/09/2016} (¥7.128)
05/07. Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition (60% OFF) (Capcom) – {29/03/2012} (¥400)
06/04. Minecraft: PlayStation 3 Edition (Mojang) – {24/06/2014} (¥2.592)
07/16. Resident Evil 6 [PlayStation 3 The Best] (60% OFF) (Capcom) – {06/03/2014} (¥1.209)
08/06. Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational (PlayStation Vita the Best) (25% OFF) (SIE) – {10/10/2013} (¥1.782)
09/13. Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2016 (Konami) – {28/04/2016} (¥7.538)
10/00. Resident Evil Code: Veronica HD (60% OFF) (Capcom) – {13/03/2012} (¥400)
11/00. Resident Evil: The Dark Side Chronicles (60% OFF) (Capcom) – {22/01/2013} (¥400)
12/00. Resident Evil: Revelations (60% OFF) (Capcom) – {26/06/2014} (¥1.196)
13/00. Resident Evil: Revelations 2 (60% OFF) (Capcom) – {25/02/2015} (¥2.100)
14/00. Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (60% OFF) (Capcom) – {22/01/2013} (¥400)
15/01. Battlefield 4 (Electronic Arts) – {07/11/2013} (¥3.024)
16/12. Tales of Berseria (25% OFF) (Bandai Namco) – {18/08/2016} (¥6.600)
17/14. Final Fantasy XIII-2 (30% OFF) (Square Enix) – {16/07/2013} (¥2.116)
18/00. Yakuza 0 (10% OFF) (SEGA) – {17/03/2016} (¥3.693)
19/00. Earth Defense Force 4 (30% OFF) (D3 Publisher) – {04/07/2013} (¥5.026)
20/18. The ICO & Shadow of the Colossus Collection (25% OFF) (SCE) – {31/01/2012} (¥4.551)

 

[Ekid]

Is Utawarerumono the current highest-selling JRPG franchise that's strangely absent in the West?

Yes. I can't think of any others JRPG selling that much not coming west outside of some DQ and YW spinoff.

 

[Busaiku]

Is Utawarerumono the current highest-selling JRPG franchise that's strangely absent in the West?

Granblue Fantasy

 

[Ryng_tolu]

3DS won't even be close reaching 24m and if it passes 23m it won't be by a lot.

3DS is 21.3 million lifetime (including 100k 2DS)

Honestly i think most people massive underestimate 3DS sales this holidays with Sun and moon, if i have to bet, i say 3DS should sell another million from now to December 2016, which mean 22.3 million lifetime by end of 2016. (and 2.15 million YTD)

I can see 3DS sells half of that in 2017 (like 1 million), and then another 700k should happen in 2018+2019 aka before 3DS will be totally death.

Now that i make better mate, 25 million is too high, but 24 million seem about right. Will be easy well over 23 million too.

 

[Lucumo]

Not happy with Utawarerumono selling that much after what they did to the franchise.

 

[Jawbreaker]

PS4 is a kaiju.

 

[3Kaze]

Yes. I can't think of any others JRPG selling that much not coming west outside of some DQ and YW spinoff.

I wonder why Atlus USA bothered localizing Aquapazza, Tears to Tiara 2 and Dungeon Travelers 2 but not Aquaplus' biggest franchise. Maybe because Utawarerumono 2 is the middle of a trilogy and doesn't work like a standalone title?

 

[Shinriji]

I wonder why Atlus USA bothered localizing Aquapazza, Tears to Tiara 2 and Dungeon Travelers 2 but not Aquaplus' biggest franchise.

To Heart want to have a word with you.

 

[horuhe]

Its sales have been pretty steady since launch (again, price cuts definitely helped a bit), so I assume holiday sales will be pretty good. How well it sells will depends on how big of an impact Pokémon Sun and Moon will have.
I thought the initial + second shipment = 1.3m?

Let me tell you that prices returned to its original once again, in the range of 4,200yen to 4,500yen depending on the store. So, it's a signal that shipment is clearing up.
However, the shipment is still over 1.3 million, so we need at least it sells another 80k that are left.

 

[Eliseo]

Granblue Fantasy

At least you can play GBF in english.

 

[saichi]

They haven't announced anything yet, and the only updates released so far are some stability updates without any new content.

I assume the first big update will come in December, along with the latest movie.

and the announcement of YW4... it has been announced yet, right?

 

[RyougaSaotome]

Really happy with these Utawarerumono 3 sales. The second game was great, and despite how much of a trainwreck the adaptation was (way to fuck with the story and characters in the most unnecessary of ways), it at least looked good and probably helped to increase series awareness.

Aqua Plus was super happy with Uta 2, so these numbers must have them jumping for joy.

 

[Busaiku]

At least you can play GBF in english.

Same with Utawarerumono.

 

[Hubb]

Same with Utawarerumono.

Not the 2nd one, or now the 3rd one.

 

[Kresnik258]

I wonder why Atlus USA bothered localizing Aquapazza, Tears to Tiara 2 and Dungeon Travelers 2 but not Aquaplus' biggest franchise. Maybe because Utawarerumono 2 is the middle of a trilogy and doesn't work like a standalone title?

The rumor was that Aquaplus were unhappy with the way something in Dungeon Travelers 2 was handled and so haven't been interested in bringing their games to the west since.

Something like that at least, no idea if it has any merit.

 

[ArchedThunder]

That One Piece game sure tanked. Even if we consider it an overpriced OP branded retail expansion for the DBZ fighter, those are some seriously asstastic sales.

Didn't the last One Piece game too pretty poorly too? I guess the One Piece fanbase doesn't want fighters. Kinda crazy how bad it did compared to the DBZ version.

 

[BriBri]

No Famitsu Digital Estimates this week:-(

Edit: what is up with this week's issue? I got no regular charts nor most wanted:-(

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Didn't the last One Piece game too pretty poorly too? I guess the One Piece fanbase doesn't want fighters. Kinda crazy how bad it did compared to the DBZ version.

Burning blood? Yea it was a terrible jstars rip off with a one piece skin. Keep trying these half asses fighters that nobody wants.

 

[KillerMan91]

3DS is 21.3 million lifetime (including 100k 2DS)

Honestly i think most people massive underestimate 3DS sales this holidays with Sun and moon, if i have to bet, i say 3DS should sell another million from now to December 2016, which mean 22.3 million lifetime by end of 2016. (and 2.15 million YTD)

I can see 3DS sells half of that in 2017 (like 1 million), and then another 700k should happen in 2018+2019 aka before 3DS will be totally death.

Now that i make better mate, 25 million is too high, but 24 million seem about right. Will be easy well over 23 million too.

Nintendo DS

2010: 2.871.621
2011: 657,787 (3DS launch year)
2012: 68,973

Maybe this should tell you why your 24 million prediction looks crazy. Nintendo hardware tends to drop like a rock after the successor is launched and I don't see why 3DS would differ from this.

 

[Busaiku]

If there's no BC, it might hold better.

 

[Shizuka]

Granblue Fantasy

Oh, since this was a Media Create thread, I meant console/handheld titles. As I also used "highest-selling", a F2P title doesn't fit the criteria as well.

 

[Ōkami]

It took 11 weeks but Yokai Watch 3 finally reached Yokai Watch 2's first week sales.

 

[MacTag]

Nintendo DS

2010: 2.871.621
2011: 657,787 (3DS launch year)
2012: 68,973

Maybe this should tell you why your 24 million prediction looks crazy. Nintendo hardware tends to drop like a rock after the successor is launched and I don't see why 3DS would differ from this.

3DS is ending much stronger than DS did though. DS only had Pokémon for major brands releasing during it's EOL, 3DS has Pokémon, Super Mario, Dragon Quest and likely one more Monster Hunter, with Level-5's Snack World as another crossmedia hit possibility. DS in late 2010/2011 just didn't have the same level of software as 3DS looks to be getting in late 2016/2017.

There's also the fact that while NX will have a "mobile unit" rumors point to it being a six+ inch tablet with add-on controls and no backwards compatibility. While 3DS was a very obvious immediate replacement for DS, I'm not sure NX will really function the same for 3DS out the gate.

 

[KillerMan91]

3DS is ending much stronger than DS did though. DS only had Pokémon for major brands releasing during it's EOL, 3DS has Pokémon, Super Mario, Dragon Quest and likely one more Monster Hunter, with Level-5's Snack World as another crossmedia hit possibility. DS in late 2010/2011 just didn't have the same level of software as 3DS looks to be getting in late 2016/2017.

There's also the fact that while NX will have a "mobile unit" rumors point to it being a six+ inch tablet with add-on controls and no backwards compatibility. While 3DS was a very obvious immediate replacement for DS, I'm not sure NX will really function the same for 3DS out the gate.

Well lets use GBA that did have better hold:

GBA

2004: 2,848,440 (DS launched late 2004)
2005: 1,136,530 (GBA Micro launched even after DS so the drop wasn't as steep as otherwise)
2006: 368,446
2007: 50,770 (dead)

It's just that
A) GBA had been just under 4 years in market before DS so it made sense that it didn't collapse as quickly (3DS will be over 6 years old as NX launches)
B) Market for dedicated gaming devices was a lot stronger and supported multiple devices
C) Because of short lifespan GBA had ''only'' sold around 15.3 million when DS launched. There was more room for casual players to pick up the device for cheap.

Perhaps the late years of 3DS will fall between DS and GBA (as you said it has more support) but 1.7 million that Ryng_Tolu predicted for 2017+2018+2019 is pipe dream as even GBA didn't do that. He is still also overestimating the effect of Pokemon Sun and Moon in Japan despite Pokemon Go already showing that Japan is way more saturated market for 3DS and Pokemon than west.

 

[MacTag]

Well lets use GBA that did have better hold:

GBA

2004: 2,848,440 (DS launched late 2004)
2005: 1,136,530 (GBA Micro launched even after DS so the drop wasn't as steep as otherwise)
2006: 368,446
2007: 50,770 (dead)

It's just that
A) GBA had been just under 4 years in market before DS so it made sense that it didn't collapse as quickly (3DS will be over 6 years old as NX launches)
B) Market for dedicated gaming devices was a lot stronger and supported multiple devices
C) Because of short lifespan GBA had ''only'' sold around 15.3 million when DS launched. There was more room for casual players to pick up the device for cheap.

Perhaps the late years of 3DS will fall between DS and GBA (as you said it has more support) but 1.7 million that Ryng_Tolu predicted for 2017+2018+2019 is pipe dream as even GBA didn't do that. He is still also overestimating the effect of Pokemon Sun and Moon in Japan despite Pokemon Go already showing that Japan is way more saturated market for 3DS and Pokemon than west.

GBA was still more logically replaced by DS than 3DS will be by NX though. GBA/DS had a shared formfactor (pocketable clamshell handheld versus transformer phablet), full backwards compatibility and GBA's EOL software lineup was also much weaker than it looks like 3DS will be. The market was healthier overall in GBA's day but 3DS is also the market leader now and with higher hardware and software sales than GBA managed. I'm just not so certain the 3DS/NX transition will really follow previous Nintendo handhelds.

 

[Kresnik258]

GBA was still more logically replaced by DS than 3DS will be by NX though. GBA/DS had a shared formfactor (pocketable clamshell handheld versus transformer phablet), full backwards compatibility and GBA's EOL software lineup was also much weaker than it looks like 3DS will be. The market was healthier overall in GBA's day but 3DS is also the market leader now and with higher hardware and software sales than GBA managed. I'm just not so certain the 3DS/NX transition will really follow previous Nintendo handhelds.

Wasn't DS designed as a third pillar to run parallel to GBA & home consoles? I'm not sure I buy this argument.

 

[Chris1964]

3DS is 21.3 million lifetime (including 100k 2DS)

Honestly i think most people massive underestimate 3DS sales this holidays with Sun and moon, if i have to bet, i say 3DS should sell another million from now to December 2016, which mean 22.3 million lifetime by end of 2016. (and 2.15 million YTD)

I can see 3DS sells half of that in 2017 (like 1 million), and then another 700k should happen in 2018+2019 aka before 3DS will be totally death.

Now that i make better mate, 25 million is too high, but 24 million seem about right. Will be easy well over 23 million too.

Good luck with these numbers after 2016.

Divide them with 2 and you'll be closer.

 

[MacTag]

Wasn't DS designed as a third pillar to run parallel to GBA & home consoles? I'm not sure I buy this argument.

That was the PR yes, in case it failed. It was pretty obviously designed as GBA's immediate successor though.

 

[Chris1964]

3DS is ending much stronger than DS did though. DS only had Pokémon for major brands releasing during it's EOL, 3DS has Pokémon, Super Mario, Dragon Quest and likely one more Monster Hunter, with Level-5's Snack World as another crossmedia hit possibility. DS in late 2010/2011 just didn't have the same level of software as 3DS looks to be getting in late 2016/2017.

DS support at end years was much stronger than you think comparing to 3DS. 3DS will be dead after holidays 2017 and 2018 will be finally the year Vita will outsell it.

 

[Mory Dunz]

DS support at end years was much stronger than you think comparing to 3DS. 3DS will be dead after holidays 2017 and 2018 will be finally the year Vita will outsell it.

where is Smoky D these days anyway

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Good luck with these numbers after 2016.

Divide them with 2 and you'll be closer.

You predict 500k for ALL 2017 then?

This looks super low, would mean < 10k avg all weeks (including golden, obon, christas weeks). This drop seem just too big.

 

[MacTag]

DS support at end years was much stronger than you think comparing to 3DS. 3DS will be dead after holidays 2017 and 2018 will be finally the year Vita will outsell it.

Was it? Capcom, SE, Level 5, etc all jumped to 3DS day one with almost no DS releases after it launched. It doesn't look like that'll be exactly the case with 3DS and NX though.

 

[Arzehn]

Didn't the last One Piece game too pretty poorly too? I guess the One Piece fanbase doesn't want fighters. Kinda crazy how bad it did compared to the DBZ version.

While Burning Blood did poorly it still sold 68k in the first week. Daikaizoku Coliseum selling a meager 9k is abysmal.

Good Hold for PS4, and also 2DS.

 

[Chris1964]

You predict 500k for ALL 2017 then?

This looks super low, would mean < 10k avg all weeks (including golden, obon, christas weeks). This drop seem just too big.

1,7m/2=850k after 2016

Was it? Capcom, SE, Level 5, etc all jumped to 3DS day one with almost no DS releases after it launched. It doesn't look like that'll be exactly the case with 3DS and NX though.

MH being multiplatform at launch and DQ being late released won't change many things. Holidays 2010 were strong for software releases and DS got B2/W2 in 2012.

where is Smoky D these days anyway

We are looking at 2018 YTD numbers for 3DS likely below 100k, so it's not gonna be anything to celebrate.

 

[KillerMan91]

where is Smoky D these days anyway

If I remember right he was permabanned for some racist stuff.

You predict 500k for ALL 2017 then?

This looks super low, would mean < 10k avg all weeks (including golden, obon, christas weeks). This drop seem just too big.

On this same page you can look at the numbers DS and GBA pulled after their successors launched. 1.7 million for next 3 years is pipe dream for 3DS. Half of that (850k) will be a lot closer and still actually more than DS did.

 

[horuhe]

3DS will be dead after holidays 2017 and 2018 will be finally the year Vita will outsell it.

The battle, funnily, will be something like what console would sell more than 5.000 units on a week, and PSVita doubling 3DS sales and almost reaching the 5k goal.

I can totally see it.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

1,7m/2=850k after 2016

Ok this make more sense, but i disagree

On this same page you can look at the numbers DS and GBA pulled after their successors launched. 1.7 million for next 3 years is pipe dream for 3DS. Half of that (850k) will be a lot closer and still actually more than DS did.

I already knew GBA/DS numbers. What i actually see is that DS is death very soon, yes, but GBA actually did way better.

I understand the GameBoy micro but that thing was not really a success, and even with an intere year of DS release it sold 1.14 million in 2005, and 1.55 million overall after DS, if you considere that 3DS did better than GBA 1.7 million after NX (not really all after, cause January/February are before NX launch) doesn't look crazy.

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Then again we'll see, i'm not sure about 2018 and after, but i'm confident that 3DS won't die hard in 2017.

 

[Oregano]

It's probably worth noting that all this is assuming NX actually launches in March, which is not looking concrete at the moment.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

It's probably worth noting that all this is assuming NX actually launches in March, which is not looking concrete at the moment.

I'm not worry about this honestly, still think Nintendo is waiting the right moment for the annunce. Anyway, if they really delay NX, then yes 3DS won't have problem to sell over 24 million.

Except that there is no base for this if it doesn't launch in March and launches 3 months later what do you think will change? 100-200k more.

As said i don't think they will delay it, but if they will, that's most likely gonna be a holidays 2017 release, not only 3-4 months later.

 

[Chris1964]

It's probably worth noting that all this is assuming NX actually launches in March, which is not looking concrete at the moment.

Except that there is no base for this if it doesn't launch in March and launches 3 months later what do you think will change? 100-200k more.

 

[michaelius]

450k at retail is pretty much a lock for Persona 5. 500k will be much harder to reach. But with digital it'll probably cross 500k and there should be be a PR put out announcing that they have shipped over 500k including digital at some point. Without a re-release that's about the ceiling for Japanese sales I think. The next step will be watching how it performs outside of Japan next year.

Golden sold 140k first week and now it's at 300k mark. P5 has very good chance to reach 600k in retail only.

 

[KillerMan91]

Ok his make more sense, but i disagree



I already knew GBA/DS numbers. What i actually see is that DS is death very soon, yes, but GBA actually did way better.

I understand the GameBoy micro but that thing was not really a success, and even with an intere year of DS release it sold 1.14 million in 2005, and 1.55 million overall after DS, if you considere that 3DS did better than GBA 1.7 million after NX (not really all after, cause January/February are before NX launch) doesn't look crazy.

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Then again we'll see, i'm not sure about 2018 and after, but i'm confident that 3DS won't die hard in 2017.

This argument doesn't make much sense. DS did better than GBA and had shorter legs. 3DS doing better and being longer in the market (before replacement) is argument for shorter legs. There is less people to sell for.

 

[Oregano]

I'm not worry about this honestly, still think Nintendo is waiting the right moment for the annunce. Anyway, if they really delay NX, then yes 3DS won't have problem to sell over 24 million.



As said i don't think they will delay it, but if they will, that's most likely gonna be a holidays 2017 release, not only 3-4 months later.

Nintendo is unpredictable but most people thought a September reveal was a lock and it doesn't even look like they're ready to talk now going into October.

Except that there is no base for this if it doesn't launch in March and launches 3 months later what do you think will change? 100-200k more.

Yeah but what about a delay of 8 months? How much difference would that make?

 

[Chris1964]

Yeah but what about a delay of 8 months? How much difference would that make?

8 months delay, yeah right.

Losing FY would already be a disaster.

 

[Mory Dunz]

We are looking at 2018 YTD numbers for 3DS likely below 100k, so it's not gonna be anything to celebrate.

I know, but nearly everything got celebrated before.

#champion #neversurrender

 

[Oregano]

8 months delay, yeah right.

Losing FY would already be a disaster.

Well over the last six years it's been much easier to list the things that weren't a disaster from Nintendo.

Investors would likely be more upset that NX is still a thing diverting resources away from mobile than the fact it was delayed.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Nintendo is unpredictable but most people thought a September reveal was a lock and it doesn't even look like they're ready to talk now going into October.

I don't care about what other people thought, i always said September was unlucky. Since summer i was thinking about November as date for annunce it. Still think about this.

 

[Aostia]

23 millions LTD for the 3ds seems pretty likely
hopefully not too higher than that, so we could hope to see at least one more dedicated device doing good in Japan NeXt gen :/

 

[Eliseo]

Nintendo is unpredictable but most people thought a September reveal was a lock and it doesn't even look like they're ready to talk now going into October.

People thought it was september because of the eurogamer rumor, and I agree with tolu about november sounds fit for the reveal.

 

[Chris1964]

Well over the last six years it's been much easier to list the things that weren't a disaster from Nintendo.

Investors would likely be more upset that NX is still a thing diverting resources away from mobile than the fact it was delayed.

You really have no idea what mess at hw, sw and basically at everything at Nintendo an 8 month delay will cause.