never said they are good for ffxv, i said they are good for the japan market.
I said there is no hope for japan console market
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never said they are good for ffxv, i said they are good for the japan market.
I said there is no hope for japan console market
And on the freaking Wii U.
ArchedThunder
Banned
No game is going to save consoles in Japan. PS4 games in general are doing poorly compared to PS3 games when FFXIII came out and nothing is going to reverse that.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Japan sure loves squids
Poetic.Injustice
Member
Selling less than half of what XIII sold on debut?
Japan is really dead. It can only get worse from here on.
Japan is really dead. It can only get worse from here on.
Depends on Switch. Switch bombs and then the Japanese dedicated game industry is completely fucked.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Hopefully the Switch being both a console and handheld helps the Japanese market and devs.
That's probably what Nintendo is hoping for, anyway.
ArchedThunder
Banned
I fully expect a lot of multiplatform games between PS4 and Switch and that could potentially greatly improve the sales of some games.
Jon Carter
Member
Imagine back then if someone had made the bet that Splatoon on Wii U would outsell Final Fantasy XV on PS4 and that it wouldn't even be close.
Eolz
Member
That would have been fun ahah
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Saint Titanfall
I do wonder if these sales pan out how it'll affect capcom, if that generational has a lkck of truth this gen because if FF there's no way an exclusive MH for the PS4 is not an abject failure Bloodborne is the cap for that and there's no way they'll pick up the million+ lost in Japan over on the west. PS4/Switch however makes sense.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Getting close to Metal Gear numbers.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Over 500k is a huge success in a market that's all but dead.
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Saint Titanfall
Not for FF it isn't. That's the single bigggesr franchise in PlayStation consoles. If Pokemon suddenly sold 800k first week would it be considered a "great success".
Hellraider
Member
That's not how it works. Relativity doesn't work only from one side.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Pokemon releases on handhelds that actually sell well, FFXV is on a home console that is not.
The state of the console market in Japan is god awful and PS4 games in general don't sell well. For the platform it is released on in the time it is released on it's a solid turn out with an attach rate of about 1 to every 5 PS4s. It's a bad number for the franchise, but there was no way it was going to get an amazing number with the state of the console market in Japan.
700k for week 1 in the current market is far beyond what anything else is achieving.
PdotMichael
Banned
Maybe next time without the host bar character designs...
KillerMan91
Member
In hindsight it looks like MGS has the most stable fanbase out of bigger PS franchises. MGSV actually sold close to previous games.
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Saint Titanfall
PS4 has roughly the same install base as the PS3 when 13 released there's no excuse install base or otherwise for it's underperformance.
DR2K
Banned
Usually these games put life into the market
What I mean is Final Fantasy the main series are not highly dependent on how well the hardware is selling. Case in point, FFXIII. Final Fantasy usually are the ones that causes spark in hardware sales, just like Monster Hunter. Now, console sales ain't the same as the glory days but that doesn't mean a brand like Final Fantasy suddenly loses its million-selling power when you see games like MGSV doing consistently well in relation to previous games and Persona 5 PS4 selling better than the last one. Brand power of Final Fantasy just isn't that strong in Japan as in years past.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Still shit.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
FFXIII opened at 1.5million on a 4.3 million install base.
Wow man, please share your time machine.
Thanks.
Can someone tell me where all this info is coming from? I can't find the source for all this talk in the thread anywhere. Thanks!
Yeah it would be. Except you would be hearing about how we should consider the rise of mobile or how the 3DS has a smaller userbase than the DS or how Pokemon go satisfied some of the market and that the overall Japanese market is down.
Well, it's based on the statement that FF XV had the best opening sales for a digital game day one in Japan. There is an estimation for how much it probably sold based on that.
I'll be shock if the digital (JP) surpass 100,000. It's so overprice (9,000+ yen for standard, 12,000+ with season pass)
While some shop now put out FFXV at 6,000-7,500 yen.
And looking at feed backs, I think it'll down to 50% off or bargain bin sooner than we want.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
In no universe would it be. Even Nintendo games on the freaking Wii U can sell that amount.
I dont think thats true.
3rdParty success is what the PS plattform stand for - if the biggest game can barely sell a million with this type of marketing money spend its a bad look no matter how you spin it.
Meanwhile you have a new IP like Splatoon selling 2m on a dead system - i know its not a fair comparison and the FF XV numbers arent even that shocking...but still not a good look for the market - this used to be a tentpole release.
It would have been different if they released the game early in the PS4 lifecycle...but after 3 years there are less excuses.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
If XV can't crack a million it'll be the first Sony console to not have a million seller in Japan. I can't foresee any other game doing a million in sales.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
No time machine needed. All you do is think of factors that could affect sales and then portray them as poor excuses.
7Remake could do it.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I highly doubt that, it's not even a complete remake rather one of many parts.
Nuno Pinto
Member
Isn't DQ bigger than FF in Japan? Even though it isn't exclusive, DQXI might do it.
FF7R too probably.
Watch DQXI.