Metallix87
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Indeed. This is the Wii U all over again, except without Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter to help a tiny bit in the near future.
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Media Create Sales: Week 8, 2014 (Feb 17 - Feb 23)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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Wow. Now I understand clearly. fanboysm is a terrible beast.
theprodigy
Member
you're one to call people delusional
Metallix87
Member
Fanboyism? Who am I a fanboy of, exactly? I've spent the past several months condemning Nintendo for the Wii U debacle. Is it Microsoft? I mean, I don't really consider myself a fanboy of theirs, and I haven't bought one of their games in ages.
Coulomb_Barrier
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At this rate Knack is going to become a bigger franchise than Sonic and Mario were in the 90s combined.
Worldwide software success story.
Worldwide software success story.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
What you said has nothing to do with the coming weeks though. You were talking about the launch.
Metallix87
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The launch, to me, is evidence that this is the Wii U all over again. Average hardware sales, abysmal software sales, and the games on the horizon don't inspire much confidence.
SwiftDeath
Member
How would the future affect the past?
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Knack and Mario at the 2016 Olympics
Deny the good start of the ps4, I don't know the hell it has to do the next weeks or whatever you mean. Not has sense what you point out. I don't see how could be call 'average', a launch dominate in the chart from the software of a new console & selling almost the whole shipped in just two days. No one here saying ps4 will dominate again. ps3 sold a lot worse at launch.
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Deleted member 125677
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Don't you guys know what Mrgrgr means?
If we're going to judge the PS4's launch success by presence in the chart, note that that is relative to how everything else is selling. This week the top 30 seller in Famitsu pushed 4,533 units. On the Vita's launch week, the top 30 seller pushed 17,006 units. There's eight PS4 games charting this week that are under 17,006 units.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Doing 320k in a non holiday month especially at that price is better than average. I would call it good. Of course I am only talking about hardware sales. Software sales are bad.
Also how is the launch evidence that this is the WiiU again. Surely its the release schedule thats evidence that the PS4 will decline steeply.
Phoenician_Viking
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I don´t care about coming weeks, i was talking about launch, and you were saying it was average. Don´t change goal posts.
lyrick
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Maybe they could both qualify for the 2015 Los Angeles Olympics...
The total number of software sold on ps4 it's bad? AbsoIutely not, I totally disagree, Seems fine to me.The big question it's how will end in the next weeks. But for now, sony should be enough happy.
Chris posted comparisons of console launches. The PS4's is about average. Average doesn't necessarily equate to failure.
lol are we threatening each other now?
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
The software sales are bad.
Good hardware launch but disappointing software sales, one might say as expected by the regulars here. I think the low software sales could be foretelling of disappointing hardware results in the future though.
3DS is dropping alarmingly fast and needs some kind of Nintendo reaction that is more than just Mario Party in March. A new hardware revision might be one answer but I think what the 3DS needs to move a substantial amount of hw now is audience expanding software, just like New Leaf was. The other business strategy would be to double down on the existing consumer base.
Yokai Watch and Kirby still doing really well, nice to see.
3DS is dropping alarmingly fast and needs some kind of Nintendo reaction that is more than just Mario Party in March. A new hardware revision might be one answer but I think what the 3DS needs to move a substantial amount of hw now is audience expanding software, just like New Leaf was. The other business strategy would be to double down on the existing consumer base.
Yokai Watch and Kirby still doing really well, nice to see.
SwiftDeath
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Didn't the vita launch in the holidays though? How would you adjust for that if you are trying to use the relative sales on the charts?
The system launched in February compared to the holidays the wiiu did. WiiU also had mario for launch. This is definitely a much better launch.
PS4 will probably struggle in the first year. But unlike the wiiu, it's actually a huge success in the west and hence it will keep getting third party support going forward. So No...sounds like it's wishful thinking all over again.
It's not average. Average based on what? We are not in the ps2 era. Japan market is in terrible conditions, how could be average sold 320 k of console to launch & the double in software number? & with the wii U which more games & better price tag.
Well, considering recent launches have floated between 300-400k, what would you call the PS4 debuting firmly in that range? That strikes me as average.
Software is not average. It's what it was expected and is bad.
Edea being Edea
Psycho_Mantis
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Yeah. You could hypothesise it was because of Knack but at the end of the day the attach rate is definitely at the low end.
We don't know Sony's expectations on software but looking at the sell through retailers should be happy.
Definitely not the good hardware part. Many people expected quite a bit below 300k after the videos/reports. Software was expected.
SwiftDeath
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Chris do you happen to have PS2's attach rate handy?
PS4's is quite poor. Little under PS3's which is not respectable in the first place. I do wonder how low the weekly sales will get this year
PS4's is quite poor. Little under PS3's which is not respectable in the first place. I do wonder how low the weekly sales will get this year
are all those numbers 2 days post launch?
With an attach rate of over 1 for Knack they don't need anything else!
I suspect most of the PS4 games were really PS3 games (some selling more on PS3 to prove the point) didn't help.
Overall I think the launch was probably the best they could hope for in current circumstances and with the launch library such as it was. The big question is will the PS4 prove healthy going forwards or not? I don't see that as a foregone conclusion at this point although I guess it doesn't have much competition since the XB1 is probably doomed ahead of time and the market seems very uninterested in the Wii U.
The Abominable Snowman
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I know you may be a touch negative on Sony (and Microsoft) but theres like 4 big glaring errors in your argument. 1) Shipment numbers 2) Holiday 3) confusing Media Create/Famitsu 4) Assuming a huge company would be disappointed in selling over 80% of stock of their product in 2 days
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Deleted member 125677
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did the post you quoted just magically disappear?
PS2 had 10 games at launch, 7 charted at Famitsu top 30 and 7 at Media Create top 30
Based on Famitsu attach rate for PS2 is 0,83-0,86
Not all but that doesn't affect anything.
Based on Famitsu attach rate for PS2 is 0,83-0,86
Not all but that doesn't affect anything.
KillerMan91
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It's more like PS3 all over again. Slow start but grinds itself to 10 million eventually.
The Abominable Snowman
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Does anyone have any stats for the PSN PS4 games? Especially Resogun and Sound Shapes. I wonder how many bought PS4 games digitally as well
I'm not really going to put much stock in people calling for the death of the industry over 2 days worth of sales/attach ratio.
I'm not really going to put much stock in people calling for the death of the industry over 2 days worth of sales/attach ratio.
airmangataosenai
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Namco set publisher expectations for the PS4 by the end of March at 300-500k. It's already made it to that range in 2 days and will likely surpass it. PS4 doesn't need to dominate in Japan, merely do well enough to be viable ecosystem. We will see how long it takes to transition from the PS4, but the PS3 is not the PSP and the PS4 also isn't the Vita.
And no, the launch sales are not bad. Yakuza actually pulled solid numbers for a side story release in the series and no one expected it to top the PS3 version at launch, anyone who suggested that was being ridiculous. The other western titles look low but really they are all late ports of games that audience would've bought in November/December of last year. People using them to downplay the better than expected results for the PS4 don't know what they're talking about.
Moreover yes, pack-in games do have a negative impact on tie ratios. Knack does count.
SwiftDeath
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Thanks. Weird that PS2 did PS3 attach rate but I guess that's related to PS2 amazing launch versus PS3's terrible one probably. HW wise I mean
So you totally put words in my mouth, making up what I said, and then tell me I'm wrong for it? Neat. I was merely pointing out the absurdity of what you said. Believe it or not, not having even a single entry in the Top 30 is NOT a win for the Vita. I'm glad (and a little surprised) that it's stabilizing without any chart entries. But facing facts, Vita still has a long way to go. It's still getting outsold nearly double by 3DS and 1/3 of the Top 30 this week are 3DS titles -- which is where the money's at. Nowhere does that mean I think Nintendo's happy with recent 3DS sales. They're just on the better side of things.
Nirolak or another mod must've done some housecleaning.
It was garbage anyway, I shouldn't have quoted it.
Egos run so high in Media Create threads. Hilarious.
Anyway, I think a lot of people are forgetting about the upgrade program for some of these games. Discounting Knack isn't completely fair either... had it not been bundled it would have probably sold 30k or something. Pure speculation but whatever it sold would have improved the "attach rate".
Anyway, I think a lot of people are forgetting about the upgrade program for some of these games. Discounting Knack isn't completely fair either... had it not been bundled it would have probably sold 30k or something. Pure speculation but whatever it sold would have improved the "attach rate".
This thread went down the shitroad fast
I have a question: how big is the impact of bundled-games? How many of these systems had games bundled-in? I feel like with the PS4 it's a special situation since I assume many people are happy with Knack as first game and with the F2P offerings; I don't have any download numbers or anything, so my assumption could be very wrong as well
I have a question: how big is the impact of bundled-games? How many of these systems had games bundled-in? I feel like with the PS4 it's a special situation since I assume many people are happy with Knack as first game and with the F2P offerings; I don't have any download numbers or anything, so my assumption could be very wrong as well
airmangataosenai
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Hey hey hey, that's not how we do things here. Please take your "Facts" and "Rational Points" elsewhere. Baseless speculation and fatalism is the name of the game round these parts, and we don't take kindly to you folks here.
*Spits*
If there's anything Sony has to worry about, its the fact there's no game that will push hardware. We'll find out how big an issue it is in the next few weeks.
I got a bridge to sell to you if you think a significant amount of people are going to upgrade from the PS3 version of DW8 to PS4.
DW still looks like a PS2 game at times. This is the game Sony and Koei are trying to get you to upgrade. A game that was released nearly a year ago to this date. There won't be over 30,000 people who are looking to upgrade from PS3 to PS4 for this game.
