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[mejin]

A 100$ discount on a machine that supposedly has more demand than supply?

MS can't compete in this market unless they bled money.

Xbox is not profitable.

In any case, for now this is good for consumers.

 

[ergem]

Sounds like supplies are not moving and they have to get rid of them.

Phil, you need games, not gamepass.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Yeah this is a ploy for holiday unit sales to stay as competitive as possible with PS5. When I saw them do this with Series S, I said it was a smart move. But to do it with the Series X??? Let's call a spade a spade - It's pathetic and embarrassing. All these damn talented studios and you don't have the management capacity to ship respectable number of games during the year.

 

[nightmare-slain]

i'm waiting for a revision. no point jumping in now.

same for PS5. i'll grab both consoles when we get Slim or Pro models

 

[Chukhopops]

MS can't compete in this market unless they bled money.

Xbox is not profitable.

In any case, for now this is good for consumers.

Any evidence of that in recent years?

The only known figure is for 2019 when the gaming division made a profit (source: Epic vs Apple trial).

Now if you say they don’t make a profit on hardware then that’s a valid point.

 

[Ozriel]

Thread’s gone to shit with console warring.

Eddie-Griffin knew what he was doing with that thread title + openly pretending it’s a universal Black Friday price cut.

 

[crackajack]

What is with people, and these arguments?
Does everything have to be a war?

This move benifts the consumers, since it saves them money. I am sorry, that people like you guys have to make it childish war.

Tell that to the french MS dude saying something about "we will not have enough consoles for xmas" trying to generate fake scarcity "get it before they are gone".
If demand would be actually that high, no sale reduction would be necessary, any company in its right mind would allocate more units to France instead of getting rid of units in America. Sony isn't reducing their increased price, just bacause Black Friday and trying to be nice, because they actually have high(er) demand. MS supply seems to be exactly what is being demanded for months now.

Of course it's nice that some customers will save money, but the "warring" is based on BS PR on MS's side.

 

[Ozriel]

Tell that to the french MS dude saying something about "we will not have enough consoles for xmas" trying to generate fake scarcity "get it before they are gone".
If demand would be actually that high, no sale reduction would be necessary, any company in its right mind would allocate more units to France instead of getting rid of units in America. Sony isn't reducing their increased price, just bacause Black Friday and trying to be nice, because they actually have high(er) demand. MS supply seems to be exactly what is being demanded for months now.

Of course it's nice that some customers will save money, but the "warring" is based on BS PR on MS's side.

Stop looking for excuses to justify console warring. Series X is still supply constrained and will be sold out over the holidays.

There’s no holiday price promotion for Series X.

Helps to read the OP before jumping in

 

[feynoob]

Tell that to the french MS dude saying something about "we will not have enough consoles for xmas" trying to generate fake scarcity "get it before they are gone".
If demand would be actually that high, no sale reduction would be necessary, any company in its right mind would allocate more units to France instead of getting rid of units in America. Sony isn't reducing their increased price, just bacause Black Friday and trying to be nice, because they actually have high(er) demand. MS supply seems to be exactly what is being demanded for months now.

Of course it's nice that some customers will save money, but the "warring" is based on BS PR on MS's side.

Do you know how much userbase are in US?
Also this is company wide 20% off. Not just xsx and xss.
I wish you people can read sometimes.

 

[DinoD]

If I had an Instagram account and $399 spare, I'd go for one. Would have felt much better than someone who paid $499 or worse (scalper).

 

[jezhumphrey75]

why does Ezekiel find this funny.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Stop looking for excuses to justify console warring. Series X is still supply constrained and will be sold out over the holidays.

There’s no holiday price promotion for Series X.

Helps to read the OP before jumping in

Absolutely incorrect.

Series X is consistently in stock on Amazon for months. The constraint is totally gone for this console as far as I can see. You can get one if you want it at any point. Stop lying to yourself

 

[onnextflix5]

Dam if only they had some games!!

Ps Xbox fans plz don’t reply saying they are coming, they are always coming soon lol, ps5 barely has any games, Xbox is like the desert.

 

[UnNamed]

MS needs to sell consoles no matter what, since this is the only way to make Gamepass profitable for them: more gamers on Xbox, more GP subscriptions.

 

[feynoob]

Absolutely incorrect.

Series X is consistently in stock on Amazon for months. The constraint is totally gone for this console as far as I can see. You can get one if you want it at any point. Stop lying to yourself

Ok Mr expert.

 

[Ozriel]

Absolutely incorrect.

Series X is consistently in stock on Amazon for months. The constraint is totally gone for this console as far as I can see. You can get one if you want it at any point. Stop lying to yourself

And yet, right now, it’s only available on Amazon US by invitation, where it’s marked as a ‘High Demand Product with limited supply’. Sold out on Best Buy, where it’s marked as a ‘High Demand Product’. Sold out on GameStop.

You get the picture.

Not to mention the demand for consoles skyrockets in the holiday shopping periods, so availability data in the past few months is no indicator for holiday availability.

Imagine having to explain to someone on an enthusiast game forum that demand spikes during holidays

 

[Soosa]

And yet, right now, it’s only available on Amazon US by invitation, where it’s marked as a ‘High Demand Product with limited supply’. Sold out on Best Buy, where it’s marked as a ‘High Demand Product’. Sold out on GameStop.

You get the picture.

Not to mention the demand for consoles skyrockets in the holiday shopping periods, so availability data in the past few months is no indicator for holiday availability.

Imagine having to explain to someone on an enthusiast game forum that demand spikes during holidays

Maybe he meant that it have been consistently available and maybe black friday week have sold them out for now? (at US)

Still, outside of USA things have been different and demand of xbox didn't skyrocket in 2021 holiday.

You could literally walk into a store and buy series x on last december, I did that and they were available till end of january, sold out for some time and now have basically been available since that.

Series S have been available since the launch, and demand is so low that used units barely sell for 100-150€ now.

So you both are right, depending of the country.

PS5 have been available only on small batches now, but still available on bundles for few days here and there. So supply is getting better at high demand areas where playstation dominates. On some stores here, there is literally 1 (one) game for xbox for sale, and rest are 80% playstation, 20% switch games on the shelf.

If all consoles would have high demand, they would not have to sell them on sale, right?

Unless they want to sell even more, but that would mean that the demand isnt that high if they can sell even more by lowering the price.

they should drop series x to 399€ from 500+ euros, that would be better move as it could help sell them on lower demand areas.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Only on GAF will you find some users complaining about a discount coupon as a negative.

It’s one way to separate the corporate shills from regular people.

 

[GHG]

It’s one way to separate the corporate shills from regular people.

Well it doesn't help when this board is essentially being used as an advertising tool.

People get tired of being bombarded.

 

[DenchDeckard]

why does Ezekiel find this funny.

He huffs Nitrous oxide... and I love him for it.

 

[Ozriel]

Maybe he meant that it have been consistently available and maybe black friday week have sold them out for now? (at US)

Still, outside of USA things have been different and demand of xbox didn't skyrocket in 2021 holiday.

You could literally walk into a store and buy series x on last december, I did that and they were available till end of january, sold out for some time and now have basically been available since that.

Series S have been available since the launch, and demand is so low that used units barely sell for 100-150€ now.

So you both are right, depending of the country.

PS5 have been available only on small batches now, but still available on bundles for few days here and there. So supply is getting better at high demand areas where playstation dominates. On some stores here, there is literally 1 (one) game for xbox for sale, and rest are 80% playstation, 20% switch games on the shelf.

If all consoles would have high demand, they would not have to sell them on sale, right?

Unless they want to sell even more, but that would mean that the demand isnt that high if they can sell even more by lowering the price.

they should drop series x to 399€ from 500+ euros, that would be better move as it could help sell them on lower demand areas.

No, it’s been in constrained supply in the US all year.

Im not sure it’s apt to use your anecdotal stock experience in Finland as an analog for everywhere else in the world.

They aren’t going to take more losses on the Series X just to spike performance in minor markets.

 

[phil_t98]

The target seems to be kids this holiday.

They want that Thanksgiving and Christmas tree for xss.

the target is anybody who is looking at a console

 

[SmokedMeat]

Well it doesn't help when this board is essentially being used as an advertising tool.

People get tired of being bombarded.

There’s definitely a lot of Series S pushing these days. In all fairness I could’ve done the same with Ragnarok threads, though.

I think GAF is largely split between PlayStation/Xbox players. Nintendo and PC fans are the minority.

 

[Ozriel]

Well it doesn't help when this board is essentially being used as an advertising tool.

People get tired of being bombarded.

Complaining of being bombarded by threads you actively contribute in.

That’s new

 

[phil_t98]

The console was already at a fair price for the consumer, as evidenced by the loss incurred on each unit, as well as the sales performance of their rival (PS5). At just 2 years into a Covid-stunted generation, if you're resorting to lowering the price of the machine, you have a serious problem. Games/services are supposed to be the consumer's primary motivation at such an early stage of the game, no pun intended.

they are maximising the price increase in the PS5 and lowering theirs, anybody looking to buy a console the S and the X massively got more attractive to buy

 

[Thirty7ven]

Well it doesn't help when this board is essentially being used as an advertising tool.

People get tired of being bombarded.

Same people who won’t stop talking about the business side don’t wanna talk about the business side.

 

[feynoob]

Well it doesn't help when this board is essentially being used as an advertising tool.

People get tired of being bombarded.

We need to tie down Eddie-Griffin in a basement.
Phil is brainwashing him slowly.

 

[GHG]

Same people who won’t stop talking about the business side don’t wanna talk about the business side.

I actually have no problem talking about the business side if it were actually that. There are some interesting discussions to be had. Instead a lot of this stuff amounts to nothing more than blatant advertising.

We need to tie down Eddie-Griffin in a basement.
Phil is brainwashing him slowly.

So in other words if we tie you down the problem will be solved

 

[phil_t98]

Dam if only they had some games!!

Ps Xbox fans plz don’t reply saying they are coming, they are always coming soon lol, ps5 barely has any games, Xbox is like the desert.

that's kinda funny as I currently have lots of games to play both on my PS5 and Xbox series X

 

[feynoob]

So in other words if we tie you down the problem will be solved

I am already in the matrix, just like hassan.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Ok Mr expert.

Constructive reply Mrs Novice

And yet, right now, it’s only available on Amazon US by invitation, where it’s marked as a ‘High Demand Product with limited supply’. Sold out on Best Buy, where it’s marked as a ‘High Demand Product’. Sold out on GameStop.

You get the picture.

Not to mention the demand for consoles skyrockets in the holiday shopping periods, so availability data in the past few months is no indicator for holiday availability.

Imagine having to explain to someone on an enthusiast game forum that demand spikes during holidays

Maybe in the states where Xbox for some reason has a disproportionate popularity rate. Worldwide though you have ZERO issue getting one. You can buy one any day in stores right across the UK. The supply has met the demand.

 

[feynoob]

Maybe in the states where Xbox for some reason has a disproportionate popularity rate. Worldwide though you have ZERO issue getting one. You can buy one any day in stores right across the UK. The supply has met the demand.

How is that an issue then?
It's holiday when sales matter the most.

 

[Kiraly]

Well it doesn't help when this board is essentially being used as an advertising tool.

People get tired of being bombarded.

Yet all these threads are filled with Sony fanboy business specialists including you trying to argue this must mean how horribly Xbox is losing with people only spending 16 billion a year on them. Very "tired of being bombarded" indeed.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Well it doesn't help when this board is essentially being used as an advertising tool.

People get tired of being bombarded.

And the crazy part is that they are advertising on Neogaf, like most people here haven't already bought a console or wouldn't already know where to look for a console deal.

Microsoft advertising is too overzealous, and it comes off as desperate and unattractive.

 

[GHG]

Yet all these threads are filled with Sony fanboy business specialists including you trying to argue this must mean how horribly Xbox is losing with people only spending 16 billion a year on them. Very "tired of being bombarded" indeed.

Yes, please be upset that people are pushing back on the blatant aggressive shilling that's been going on. You will never catch me uninvitedly telling people to buy a fucking console or advertising some poxy subscription service but some people seemingly can't go two posts without doing so. It's embarrassing.

If you want to market/advertise something so blatantly then be prepared for the objections and criticism. It goes with the territory.

 

[adamsapple]

If you want to market/advertise something so blatantly then be prepared for the objections and criticism. It goes with the territory.

Objections and criticisms .. on people being able to get a highly sought after item with a discount ?

G, you know very well where the line between criticism and shit-posting is

why does Ezekiel find this funny.

 

[GHG]

Objections and criticisms .. on people being able to get a highly sought after item with a discount ?

G, you know very well where the line between criticism and shit-posting is

Here's the problem, we have catch-all discount threads. This isn't even confined to newly created threads either (if it were then you might have a point), it's happening in threads that are about completely unrelated games/platforms.



Salesman: *unsolicited product advertisement*

Person: *critiques product and tells salesman to go do one*

Salesman:

 

[adamsapple]

Here's the problem, we have catch-all discount threads. This isn't even confined to newly created threads either (if it were then you might have a point), it's happening in threads that are about completely unrelated games/platforms.

In his defense, Eddie is an all purpose salesman

 

[kapshin]

Definitely seems like a good strategy to add to game pass subscriptions.

 

[Zok310]

Still aint worth it at the moment, weak library.

 

[phil_t98]

MS can't compete in this market unless they bled money.

Xbox is not profitable.

In any case, for now this is good for consumers.

any proof of xbox not being profitable?

 

[CobraAB]

Microsoft loves burning money

They have money to burn!

 

[Bernkastel]

Honestly no one is upset.

Lots of people are. In this very page for example

Spoiler

MS can't compete in this market unless they bled money.

Xbox is not profitable.

Sounds like supplies are not moving and they have to get rid of them.

Well it doesn't help when this board is essentially being used as an advertising tool.

People get tired of being bombarded.

Same people who won’t stop talking about the business side don’t wanna talk about the business side.

And the crazy part is that they are advertising on Neogaf, like most people here haven't already bought a console or wouldn't already know where to look for a console deal.

Microsoft advertising is too overzealous, and it comes off as desperate and unattractive.

Complaining of being bombarded by threads you actively contribute in.

That’s new

Yet all these threads are filled with Sony fanboy business specialists including you trying to argue this must mean how horribly Xbox is losing with people only spending 16 billion a year on them. Very "tired of being bombarded" indeed.

Over the years interacting with these people I have learnt that apparently unless you spend a lot of time conspiring about evil Microsoft satisfying the endless thirst of these warriors, you must be a paid shill. These people seem to have way too much free time, going to every single Xbox thread and all day replying to everyone making sure everyone who owns a Xbox feels bad about their choices. Once someone gives in and leaves the thread, they move on to the next target. Its almost as if they are not doing this at their free time, but this is a real job.
This is just a thread about a 20% holiday discount, but some people seem way to invested into convincing everyone this is somehow very bad for Xbox as a platform, and making sure the messaging is conveyed the way they want it to. If that is not PR, I don't know what else is.

 

[93xfan]

Some of these children here with no regard for great gaming before gen 8 and 9…. Complete lack of taste. Maybe they’ll wise up as they grow older.

 

[Mr Moose]

There should be one big black Friday thread with a regularly updated OP.

any proof of xbox not being profitable?

The console(s)? Yes.

 

[phil_t98]

There should be one big black Friday thread with a regularly updated OP.

The console(s)? Yes.

said xbox not console. coarse we know consoles aint

 

[ReBurn]

Well it doesn't help when this board is essentially being used as an advertising tool.

People get tired of being bombarded.

Microsoft is out there making moves to grow install base and you're upset that a video game enthusiast forum is talking about it? That's pretty weird.

 

[John Wick]

A 100$ discount on a machine that supposedly has more demand than supply?

They desperate now because they seen Sony increasing supply and outselling everyone else. Also Ragnarok just landed.
Watch the price go up after holidays.

 

[GHG]

Microsoft is out there making moves to grow install base and you're upset that a video game enthusiast forum is talking about it? That's pretty weird.

What's weird is that you seem to be happy and comfortable with several threads promoting the exact same product.

We have one thread that covers all the deals that are happening at the moment:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/black-friday-2022-ot-deals-steals.1645179

Or should we have new threads get created for every single individual discount for all the various hardware and games out there? You tell me.

Because if you're going to tell me that's what you want I can point you towards whole websites that are dedicated to that sort of thing.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Holy smokes guys, it's a good sale. Go out and buy one if you are of those who buy multiple systems. All these conspiracy theories are pointless when it's the season to get gaming cheap and if you're too slow you'll be stuck at regular price for another year.