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There's a reason why NPD is popular among gamers online. lolThey matter to Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo, they don't matter to any gamers that aren't stockholders in those companies
There's a reason why NPD is popular among gamers online. lolThey matter to Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo, they don't matter to any gamers that aren't stockholders in those companies
They matter to Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo, they don't matter to any gamers that aren't stockholders in those companies
Well - not quite.The fact that MS beat Sony in unit sales but lost in total dollars means the Series S sold most of the Xbox units.
I’m saying that the facts are that Sony came last in the December NPD reports, and anything outside of that is meaningless speculation. Most of this forum was predicting Sony to annihilate everyone in this NPD.Everyone is having stock issues. That still doesn't change the fact that Sony ships more units worldwide which means less stock in certain regions.
You're saying if there were no stock issues, Xbox would have sold more than the PS5 in the US and UK in December?
There's a reason why NPD is popular among gamers online. lol
Tell that to the people who bought Wii U.
Are any of the consoles in danger of being discontinued or abandoned? No? Then no they don't matter and haven't mattered since then. It's a pretty disingenuous response given how the consoles have been selling since last gen
I’m saying that the facts are that Sony came last in the December NPD reports, and anything outside of that is meaningless speculation. Most of this forum was predicting Sony to annihilate everyone in this NPD.
Not sure why you’re talking about worldwide, this is NPD. The 360 outsold the PS3 every month in NPD despite the PS3 selling more worldwide every year.
Why we gotta do semantics? You know what I mean!i see some of you in denial lol.
I didn’t refuse to answer, I said that’s speculation and cannot be proven either way.Noticed how I asked MrFunStocks if XSX would have outsold the PS5 if both didn't have stock issues and he refused to answer the question.
This shows how people just want to argue..
Noticed how I asked MrFunStocks if XSX would have outsold the PS5 if both didn't have stock issues and he refused to answer the question.
This shows how people just want to argue..
We already know how PS performs when they have equal and/or enough units in stock. Nothing is meaningless if we have a track record of how consoles perform in a specific region.I didn’t refuse to answer, I said that’s speculation and cannot be proven either way.
Are we allowing make believe hypothetical scenarios to be presented as facts now? Would the PS5 have outsold the XSX if Atari and Sega would've never left the console race? What if the video game crash never happened? What if Rome never fell? What if Germany won WW2?
I didn’t refuse to answer, I said that’s speculation and cannot be proven either way.
Are we allowing make believe hypothetical scenarios to be presented as facts now? Would the PS5 have outsold the XSX if Atari and Sega would've never left the console race? What if the video game crash never happened? What if Rome never fell? What if Germany won WW2?
We have years and years and years of data what happens when stock is not an issue. Given consumer behavior tends to not flip on a dime I think it's pretty easy to extrapolate what would happen if there were no stock issues, and making a comparison of that question to speculating what would happen if "Rome never fell" is pretty darn disingenuous, and you probably know it. The fact "MrFunSocks" responded to your comment with "fire" just shows that you're both either way to deep into console warring or you don't understand the market whatsoever.
THAT SAID. Results do matter and Xbox outsold PS the last two months. I don't care if was a stock issue or not really. If the Series S is really that much easier to make, to the point where it's right now possible to go anywhere and get one off the shelf (as it is here in CA), how is that not a positive thing overall? IMO this just reinforces the fact that the Series S was such a smart move, and MS should stick with it. Frankly, Sony should have done something similar IMO. I keep saying it, but what matters is games/software. The Switch has proven this. The PS platform has also proven it as well. Xbox's lack of success going back to the X1 proves it too! They tried everything but the kitchen sink to garner favor but they just didn't have the games in comparison. I know they are trying to do so now, and we will see how that plays out, but the Series S is just fantastic for people who do not give a rip about 4k, but want access to the software library for the least amount of money. Plays all the same games. Nearly half the price. A visual difference that only gamer nerds like us care about. How is that not massively smart? Switch has again proven that graphics fidelity is not what people care about on the larger market. They want fun and accessibility. Given all that, the PS platform is now the least accessible of all of them, so they really need to keep bringing that software advantage to make it worth the higher barrier to entry.
They still don’t to me. Doesn’t mean I can’t make an observation that the usual suspects that crow in every NPD thread that their console came second behind Nintendo have all of a sudden abandoned ship.I remember posts saying console sales don't matter. What happened?
We have 0 days of data in a world where both consoles aren't severely supply constrained. To act like we can just give Sony the win in a month where Xbox had a major exclusive and tons of momentum, in their most popular country, just because they've been supply constrained (but XSX supply constraints don't matter), makes no sense. I'm not saying Xbox would be winning this gen, or be in the lead overall or anything even in the slightest, but this month, in the US, you think it's some fantasy that Xbox might have won? Also it was an exaggeration, obviously it's a more relevant question than "what if Rome didn't fall", but a hypothetical sale is still not a sale, especially with all the positive stuff that's been happening around Xbox the past year and a half. But I get it, I said a positive thing about Xbox on Neogaf so I must be one of "the green rats".
Considering it being available via Game Pass I'm surprised it charted at all.Hmm. Is this the first time Halo didn't debut #1?
They still don’t to me.
Sure, if you just ignore all content and context of the posts I guess you could incorrectly frame it that way?Your post count in this thread says otherwise but sure.....if you say so.
Nobody knows how things would look without stock issues, we’ve literally just been looking at factory output figures since launch, we actually have no idea if the market want one console more than another yet.Everyone is having stock issues. That still doesn't change the fact that Sony ships more units worldwide which means less stock in certain regions.
You're saying if there were no stock issues, Xbox would have sold more than the PS5 in the US and UK in December?
Sure, if you just ignore all content and context of the posts I guess you could incorrectly frame it that way?
Again, sure, if you ignore the actual content and context of the posts. I haven't once said that I care about sales figures, or that I want console sales numbers, or that I care which console sells the most in here, have I? Nope. So why do you think I care about sales figures?Nonsense. You've got posts arguing about sales and stock issues. That's you "not caring"?
Again, sure, if you ignore the actual content and context of the posts. I haven't once said that I care about sales figures, or that I want console sales numbers, or that I care which console sells the most in here, have I? Nope. So why do you think I care about sales figures?
We have literally zero data about what happens when there are no stock issues this generation. Microsoft have a significantly cheaper console that is proving a hit this year. They’ve been riding on a wave of good news and hype, and just released Halo Infinite which came in 2nd spot in sales for the month despite being on game pass and the multiplayer being completely free to play. They also had Horizon 5 which is one of the most played and biggest games of the year release a few months earlier. They had a fortnite bundle as well.
You cannot say that the PS5 would definitely have outsold the Xbox without stock issues for both consoles. You just can’t.
I assume you meant shortage? Also not sure why that matters. What facts are being ignored?
We know Sony can produce more consoles than MS, and we know that December is always the highest selling month of the year so they want their product on shelves then. People speculated for months that consoles were being held back for December. People also said repeatedly that no one was buying the Series S since it could be found in stock in some stores.
It’s just funny the difference in these threads when the results are Nintendo #1 and Xbox #2. I’ll probably get banned for saying it though.
What is it with you guys and your attempted gatekeeping? This is the second or third time today one of you usual suspects have tried to "call me out" on ........... posting on a discussion forum? Trying to claim that I'm "emotional" or "triggered" for simply discussing the topics at hand. Why does it bother you so much? If it does, why are you posting in here instead of just ignoring the thread? You're trying for some "gotcha!" that doesn't exist. When someone replies to me, I'll reply back and keep the conversation going. Is that not? You replied to me instead of just moving along, so you clearly care about me having an opinion. Why?
None of those quotes show that I care about sales. They show me talking about reasons why X might sell or what effect Y could have, but I literally could not care less about them giving us sales numbers or how many each sells. A lot of it was also pointing out how the people that do care about sales immensely were very wrong and have since just pretended like NPD reports don’t exist.Because the content and context of your posts explicitly discuss those sales. Such as.....
You can lie to yourself all you want. I'm calling your "not caring" nonsense for what it is.
Why would I ignore the thread? I'm not the one posting in a thread I'm pretending I don't care about. That's you, not me. It is hilarious that you are whining about "gotchas" when your first post was attempting to do exactly that. You could have looked at this thread title and said "nah, don't care about sales. moving on", but you didn't and actively engaged in the discussion you say you don't care about. You just don't like that I threw it back at you and now you are playing the victim.
If you don't care about sales then stay out of sales threads.
We have literally zero data about what happens when there are no stock issues this generation. Microsoft have a significantly cheaper console that is proving a hit this year. They’ve been riding on a wave of good news and hype, and just released Halo Infinite which came in 2nd spot in sales for the month despite being on game pass and the multiplayer being completely free to play. They also had Horizon 5 which is one of the most played and biggest games of the year release a few months earlier. They had a fortnite bundle as well.
You cannot say that the PS5 would definitely have outsold the Xbox without stock issues for both consoles. You just can’t.