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NPD Sales Results for February 2011 [Update 4: PS3 Hardware, TONS Of Games]
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Goro Majima
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I bought 4 PS2s because they kept breaking also but sure that's the only reason PS2 did so well last generation.
My 360 broke so I bought a PS3 slim (coming bundled with a 46" TV didn't hurt either). I think it's silly to suggest that 360 sales are so high because people are replacing their old consoles. If anything, I would think that would give people a reason and an opportunity to buy the PS3 because they're tired of their 360s breaking.
Basically I think it could be a wash either way. Any increase of 360 sales may be offset by people switching to PS3s instead.
My 360 broke so I bought a PS3 slim (coming bundled with a 46" TV didn't hurt either). I think it's silly to suggest that 360 sales are so high because people are replacing their old consoles. If anything, I would think that would give people a reason and an opportunity to buy the PS3 because they're tired of their 360s breaking.
Basically I think it could be a wash either way. Any increase of 360 sales may be offset by people switching to PS3s instead.
Stoffinator
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wienke said:
Sadly many would not go to the other side and keep buying the system that keeps breaking on them. I know many who have done this since they got their system on launch day.
OldJadedGamer
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Stephen Colbert said:
This thread isn't about worldwide numbers, it's about NPD numbers. According to NPD the PS3 is 10 million behind the 360 and has been outsold every month for the last 13 months so there is no way, they could ever catch up. This gen is set.
And the battle for second place is worthless anyway. As been said a million times over, the "winner" isn't going to be the company with the most units sold. That is the measurement of fanboys only. We are almost 6 years into this gen, who is second hasn't matted for years now.
V_Arnold said:
No and more no. The only reliable worldwide sales figures are Sony's and Microsoft's own shipment figures and they both show that for all but one year in 2008 when it was a virtual tie the ps3 has been consistantly catching up to the 360 worldwide.Watchtower said:
ps3 - calendar year sales / ltd calendar year sales
2005 - not launched yet
2006 - 1.7m / 1.7m
2007 - 8.7m / 10.4m
2008 - 10.7m / 21.1m
2009 - 12.4m / 33.5m
2010 - 14.4m / 47.9m
360 - calendar year sales / ltd calendar year sales
2005 - 1.5m / 1.5m
2006 - 8.9m / 10.4m
2007 - 7.3m / 17.7m
2008 - 10.8m / 28.5m
2009 - 10.2m / 38.7m
2010 - 12.1m / 50.8m
360's ltd lead on the ps3
2005 - 1.5m
2006 - 8.7m
2007 - 7.3m
2008 - 7.4m
2009 - 5.2m
2010 - 2.9m
Goro Majima
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Yeah I can see if you're a game collector of if you prefer the 360 exclusives that you wouldn't switch to a PS3. I would also say that most people who buy a console don't necessarily collect games. You can get into other issues like controller preference or brand familiarity but there is still an opportunity to switch brands when one breaks.
Also when a 360 breaks and is replaced, you're not actually increasing the install base. When someone switches to Sony however, Sony's install base increases. Basically the hardware failures don't benefit Microsoft at all unless they're making a killer profit on the consoles.
So because of all that, the best metric for how well a console is doing still depends on overall software sales, which, Microsoft is still winning to the best of my knowledge.
Also when a 360 breaks and is replaced, you're not actually increasing the install base. When someone switches to Sony however, Sony's install base increases. Basically the hardware failures don't benefit Microsoft at all unless they're making a killer profit on the consoles.
So because of all that, the best metric for how well a console is doing still depends on overall software sales, which, Microsoft is still winning to the best of my knowledge.
Stephen Colbert
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Opiate said:
I only meant that it may account for a portion of the 4% of the difference in worldwide figures between the consoles and that they're pretty much neck and neck worldwide.
Those are all fair points. I will drop the point.
Neuromancer
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Yes there is a time limit. It's pretty strict and makes the game very frustrating.[Nintex] said:
I have no idea why they did it. Probably to try to shoehorn some challenge into it, which I doubt anyone asked for.
The Black Ops numbers are just amazing, I'm in awe at those figures. The second biggest shooter which comes to mind is Halo Reach and chances are that the PS3 version of Black Ops has outsold the game. That is without adding PC and 360 sales, Black Ops is so above any other HD franchise it's beyond crazy. Remains to be seen how the next GTA game goes because right now Black Ops is another league, it's well past GTA at this point.
-Pyromaniac-
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man, seeing these numbers....time sure does fly.doicare said:
OldJadedGamer
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-Pyromaniac- said:
Makes you realize just how incredibly far we are into the generation. Even the best selling system of all time had it's sequel machine announced by this time.
PS3 outsold 360 last fiscal year in terms of software.wienke said:
PS3 - 115.6 million
360 - 103.1 million
It will be interesting to see how both consoles did for this fiscal year. Last I remember, it's pretty close taking into account data from US, Japan, UK, Spain, France and Germany. As it stands, both platforms are really healthy.
Stephen Colbert
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Kam said:
Exactly. Overall software attach rates are also very healthy on both consoles, not just hardware.
bigtroyjon
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Kam said:
Where are you getting 360 software numbers?
CadetMahoney
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gen is set for U.S. don't know about worldwide. But it's not too much difference either way.
Arpharmd B
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Kam said:
I don't know about really healthy on the PS3 side. Sony recently announced that PSN loses money for them. Considering PS3 losses ate through all the profit of PS1 and 2, and they make a very small margin on the hardware compared to 360, and actually lose money on PSN (imagine how much MS makes in contrast with Live subs), and lukewarm sales of big budget exclusives, and now losing ground once again to 360 WW, not to mention Move absolutely getting spanked by Kinect, I don't think it's as rosy as some people think.
OldJadedGamer
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Arpharmd B said:
This is what people don't pay attention to when thinking of worldwide user base numbers after 6 years.
Yet software sales are increasing, hardware continues to do fine, they're no longer bleeding money, and they're expecting to increase profitability moving forward. I'd say that's healthy considering the PS3's track record. No one is painting a rosy picture. A rosy picture for Sony would be what was happening last generation. But it's ignorant to assume they're not in a good position right now considering what the last few years did to them.Arpharmd B said:
To me, in all honesty, it seems some posters here like to paint an all or nothing picture. Pretty stupid all things considered and shows a lack of analytical ability.
Arpharmd B
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OldJadedGamer said:
Exactly.
It's like, all people care about is the installed base, when that is not what matters at this point. If Sony were to surpass 360, it wouldn't make any kind of difference what so ever. It would only matter to the Sony fanboys to brag about on the internet.
The damage is done. It has been set in stone for quite some time now. We are going on 6 years!
If you actually look at the 3 businesses, it's pretty clear who the winners and the losers are.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Goddamn, remember when all the "analysts" predicted that the PS3 would far and away be in first in sales, with the 360 behind it and the Wii in distant third?
Makes me wonder how much these "analysts" know about the industry.
Makes me wonder how much these "analysts" know about the industry.
Stripper13
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I'd tend to agree with this statement. Obviously, breaking out numbers - things look highly competitive and very, very close - which is nothing less than truth. However the general feeling about Sony remains the same - they're getting cock blocked on nearly every front whilst running on razor thin margins. It's not doom and gloom, Playstation/Sony isn't going anywhere - but losing this much ground, money and mind share within one generation is astounding.Arpharmd B said:
Ultimately I believe the PS3 is going to be ahead worldwide by the end of this generation if for no other reason than Sony's persistence and support of the system - but that won't do anything to counter the notion of massive failure in terms of competition. Sony has done nothing right and at this point, are coasting on brand strength from the previous generations, something they will have to look long and hard at when releasing their next home console (and even NGP).
It's not all bad, they deliver some great games and sink money for free online play - not at all a bad thing for us gamers.
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doicare said:
The numbers are correct (probably, I haven't checked), but if you rearrange the data in some other form (say, use the end of Sony's or Microsoft's fiscal year as a delimiter, instead of the end of a calendar year), you'll notice that 2008, which may seem like a year of stagnation, was in fact very turbulent.
In the second half of 2007 PS3 saw a price adjustment (two, in fact) which helped it gain a lot of ground on the 360. Microsoft also cut the price by $50, but Sony got rid of the 60 GB SKU and introduced the new 40 GB SKU at $399, effectively dropping the entry price barrier by $200 (because the launch 20 GB PS3 has always been very rare and I'm not even sure if the launch allocation has ever been restocked).
The gap has been shrinking (it went down to 4 or 5 million, it's hard to find the exact figures at this point) until the second half of 2008 when it started growing again, due to Xbox 360's price being cut to current levels (!). That continued into 2009, when Sony hit back with a Slim + price drop combo. The gap has been shrinking since then, with Xbox 360 S and Kinect helping Microsoft stop the deterioration - for now. Where it's going to go in the following months and years remains to be seen, but the point is, the gap hasn't been shrinking "consistently". It's been very dependent on price drops and introductions of new hardware revisions.
Arpharmd B
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Kam said:
I definitely do not view things in black and white. Yes, the PS3 business is MUCH better than it was, and yes they are finally seeing profitability. But the 360 business is much, much healthier for all the reasons I stated.
The people who see in black and white are those that can't see past the installed base.
Stephen Colbert
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No the people that see in black and white or those that make bs statements like this.
Sony made some really stupid mistakes at the start of the gen, but since then they have done plenty of things right. From the ps3 slim to nourishing their first party studios, developing new aaa franchises and acquiring new ones like media molecule to winning the format war, it's ludicrous to say they did nothing right.
If anything I think it's Microsoft that is now making some cocky moves that risk alientating core gamers (largely dumping their first party studios, jacking up the price of live, not announcing much core exclusive content in the near future).
Stripper13 said:
Sony made some really stupid mistakes at the start of the gen, but since then they have done plenty of things right. From the ps3 slim to nourishing their first party studios, developing new aaa franchises and acquiring new ones like media molecule to winning the format war, it's ludicrous to say they did nothing right.
If anything I think it's Microsoft that is now making some cocky moves that risk alientating core gamers (largely dumping their first party studios, jacking up the price of live, not announcing much core exclusive content in the near future).
Dedication Through Light
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Guerrillas in the Mist said:
I thought it was predicted (in 2007/2008) that PS3 would surpass X360 sales in 2012? And further PS3 would lead software sales worldwide. I think PS3 is still on track to meet this prediction.
Stephen Colbert
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Yeah, from the pattern so far it might do that this year itself.
Cyborg
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Dedication Through Light said:
True...
X360 is doing some great things in USA but in JP and EU the PS3 is realy strong! PS3 is doing a nice job, considering it launched almost a year after the X360.
The only problem is that the Japanese market isnt big as it was in the Gamecube/PSX/PS2 era.
Stripper13
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Well each to their own but I would hardly call the Slim a good step in the light of the mess of SKU's and removal of features. Just a less shitty one.Stephen Colbert said:
As for the first party studios - it's great that they support some deserving studios so much, but they've always done it and it just looks like a great step this generation because MS is so backwards on that element of the industry.
You view them poorly, nonetheless.Arpharmd B said:
The comment of mine that you were responding to stated both platforms are healthy. You contend that Sony's situation isn't as rosy as people paint it to be. I don't think saying it's in a healthy position today is saying things are all rosy. They're not "rosy" but they're certainly far from being bad either. They are in a good position finally. Microsoft doing much better is irrelevant to that point.
I don't remember stating one is more healthy than the other. But you certainly seem to take issue with me stating Sony is in a good position.
What matters is the company's position moving forward. Explain to me, with logic, how they are not in a healthy position? The facts are that that their software sales are good, their hardware sales are good, and they're expecting to increase profitability overall, whilst still sharing an almost equal market-share with Microsoft.
It's irrelevant, to the company's health today, that they've dropped so far since the PS2 days. That's done. The consequences of that are not changing. What matters is the position they're in today relative to the damage they've done to themselves. While it's pathetic how far they've fallen, they've managed to remain competitive regardless of their failings and moving forward can change things for the better. This is what matters when claiming the company is in a good position right now.
In all honesty, your responses to me make little sense. It just seems you had to point out that the 360 is doing much better and Sony is in a bad position. Yes. Thank you. I'm already aware of Microsoft doing very well, and I disagree that Sony is in a bad position for reasons already stated.
AdventureRacing
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Dedication Through Light said:
With kinect increasing HW sales this might not happen.
Regardless predictions were made for the PS3 to overtake the 360 in all different periods. eventually one of those predictions was bound to be true.
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Really surprised at how good the PS3 numbers are - part of me suspects that the jailbreak may have spurred a few extra sales. Or the walk-off from christmas, who knows. It's not like 360 which can directly attribute its growth to Kinect (since 2/3 sold are 4gb bundles).
Gorgon
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Arpharmd B said:
I don't know the exact hardware numbers but
$257 vs $210 in sales doesn't look like the huge catastrophe that you're hinting at between Kinect and Move sales?
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-game-sales-get-a-boost-in-february-/1?csp=34