SlowRevolution
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those tearaway numbers are a bummer. so many people are missing out on such an incredible game.
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NPD Sales Results for January 2014 [Up3: PS4/XB1 #1/#2 best selling; Poke/SM3DW/ALBW]
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Chobel
Member
Really LTTP here. Other than PS4 which did somewhat OK, all other devices did really bad. The big AAA industry is not going to survive if this continues.
I still think people are reading far too much into the next gen figures. My reading...
Any drop off is meaningless for PS4 as it is still supply constrained. The XB1 figures are troubling, very troubling as it appears they don't have the same issues.
Software sales will be partly driven by above, but then again... no new games of any significance were released. Software drop off after release, even for big titles, is huge. People will still be playing their launch games and waiting for the bigger Feb/Mar releases.
I don't think we will get a good feel for how well Sony is doing until well after Easter.
The "consoles are failing" crowd need to wise up. The sales for both are still very good and able to easily support the new generation. They are trending higher than any previous gen... But then again launching in November head-to-head has created a weird bubble of demand. It is still quite possible for this gen to outsell the last; no fat lady has sung.
All the talk sounds similar to the "false equivalency" chatter to try and paint everyone into the same shitty corner MS seems to be finding itself.
Still think April will be the point people can start making genuine estimates for long term success of any platform.
Any drop off is meaningless for PS4 as it is still supply constrained. The XB1 figures are troubling, very troubling as it appears they don't have the same issues.
Software sales will be partly driven by above, but then again... no new games of any significance were released. Software drop off after release, even for big titles, is huge. People will still be playing their launch games and waiting for the bigger Feb/Mar releases.
I don't think we will get a good feel for how well Sony is doing until well after Easter.
The "consoles are failing" crowd need to wise up. The sales for both are still very good and able to easily support the new generation. They are trending higher than any previous gen... But then again launching in November head-to-head has created a weird bubble of demand. It is still quite possible for this gen to outsell the last; no fat lady has sung.
All the talk sounds similar to the "false equivalency" chatter to try and paint everyone into the same shitty corner MS seems to be finding itself.
Still think April will be the point people can start making genuine estimates for long term success of any platform.
Aside from the Wii U, my guesses in the speculation thread were totally fucked.
Gee whiz.
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
I don't think anything would help at this point, to be honest. And I never thought I'd say this, but it's a damn shame. As someone who usually looks at portable gaming with complete disinterest, I have to admit some Vita games almost made me take the plunge. However, it's practically a dead system walking at this point, so I can't bring myself to do it. If only it had HDMI out, it would've been mine already...
As it is, I'll probably get it for cheap when it's discontinued. I'm terrible, I know.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Ummm... I think Tearaway sold whatever it could sell. It was up in sale in December over Nov and despite these pitiful sales, i am confident it wasn't a total loss for Sony. It wasn't even marketed or got any sort of ad in NA compared to EU, where it at least got a new ad.
That said, VITA sales are grave level bad and i would consider Sony latest push the last nail in the coffin for VITA. They will be done after that.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
It will do just fine if the PS4 continues to sell like hot cakes.
HORRORSHØW
Member
but vita means life.
bgassassin
Member
Graphics Horse
Member
When I looked at other people's predictions it made me think I was being pessimistic. Turns out I was overestimating everything aside from PS3.
I think the Vita is done for.. A shame because I love the handheld.. It even has better battery life than my 3DS..
JunkyardJeff
Banned
Hopefully the sales smackdown that the PS4 is laying on the X1 drives Microsoft to really start bringing more value to the xbox. Then have Sony respond......then Microsoft counters.....on & on........consumers win!
Kinda the opposite of what happened to NFL games after EA Madden snatched up exclusive rights - R.I.P. NFL 2K
What would the sales numbers look like if MS kept their 24 hour check in.......drm policies etc.......yikes.
These two companies are at each others throats......I love it.
Kinda the opposite of what happened to NFL games after EA Madden snatched up exclusive rights - R.I.P. NFL 2K
What would the sales numbers look like if MS kept their 24 hour check in.......drm policies etc.......yikes.
These two companies are at each others throats......I love it.
I think we will continue to get the games thanks to the support it receives in Japan. But SCEA is treating it like shit and it reflects in sales. The whole situation ticks me off a bit to be perfectly honest and is the reason why I don't care much for people like shuhei etc. A mishandled product from start to finish if I ever saw one
Apophis2036
Banned
And people laughed when I said the new consoles would be selling sub 100k by April...
As said earlier in the thread, 3DS needs a price cut soon for the OG and the XL, and the 99.99 for 2DS around this Holiday season. But I'm wondering if we're going to see a new model this year, something resembling the DSi (specs a little upped, bigger focus on social functions, etc.etc.). I'd also start bundling it some FTP games, like tehrik suggested, in order to give a bigger value to the whole pack without impacting margins in a meaningful way.
Don't sales usually go up starting February?
would you put Vita in the same line as, say, OUYA?
or what other handheld of the past aligns well with the Vita regarding its performance in the market?
It's not that uncommon, the last Western Saturn game came only three years from launch, Official Sega Saturn Magazine continued to review import games for a while after.
Sega Master System last Japanese game was released in 1989, US in 1991, Europe in 1996, and Brazil in 1998.
PC-Engine/Turbografx dropped in US in 1993, but went on much longer in Japan (last game released in 1999).
I'm sure there's many more, those are just off of the top of my head.
Of course, those are all pre-internet. With online retailers and digital stores it probably isn't necessary to completely drop a product in one region that is still viable in another region. SeeX360 in Japan for example.
sechsterangriff
Member
In the last few years, IIRC, sales went up for February and March, but then went down in April, even compared to March.
1st Course
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Thx Aqua and Cream.
Very nice work.
Very nice work.
Freeman
Banned
Those numbers are so low.
Twist:
Us console market is dead, Japanese market was alive all along.
michaelius
Banned
yeah that's what I thought ..makes sense too. People spend money in Nov and Dec so they spend less in Jan.Then Get tax refunds starting February so money to spend
I get that the Xbone might drop that low if they sit on their ass but do you honestly think PS4 will be sub 100k too? If so the laughing is warranted.
Scroll to the top of this page. -_-
I don't think Sony will allow that to happen. They're tossing up those tandem PS4 / Vita demo booths and I suspect it's just part of the deal at this point. You want to sell the PS4 yes? Then we aren't buying back your Vita stock. Just get it out the door and keep them both in stock. What else are the retailers gonna stock in their gaming corners? Xbox One and WiiU?
Meaning, Sony has the leverage to keep Vita on the shelves. The trouble, is getting them off. Maybe I'm shifting, maybe I don't know how retail works. But I'm confident it's more complicated than what doesn't sell gets pulled. Shelves across the nation would be excessively barren if that were the case.
HocusPocus
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Wow the 500 dollar price is starting to bite Microsoft in the ass. I guess they will bump up with titian fall and hope to keep at a decent level until they can price drop later this year.
Actually, people laughed when you said they would faceplant out of the gate and sell sub 50:
And then laughed again, when you backtracked (more like completely revised history):
No one laughing about "new consoles selling sub 100k by April" that I can find.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Yep, that is why they just released an updated version.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
How then do Nintendo make money? They cannot rely on the Wii U ecosystem and shitting on 3DS hardware margins will push Nintendo further into the red.
I think Nintendo need to face the music, their two latest consoles were shit compared to their previous entries and it's time to go back to the drawing board.
As Nirolak suggested very early in the thread, 2014 for a new handheld is where they need to be to get back to profitability. That QOL shit is just going to be a distraction unless Nintendo are realigning the business to health and fitness products completely (an avenue which makes a lot of sense from a business perspective).
Chinese companies can release dogshit Android tablets with more power than the 3DS, capacitive touch screens and 8GB of storage for $99 or less while still making money. It should not be difficult for Nintendo to get a 7" Nintendo-pad out there with physical controls for a $149 starting price and a 1024x768 resolution.
Tablet components are incredibly commoditised and Nintendo needs to take the big step of dumping hardware backwards compatibility as that is what hits their costs, every single time. The Wii U MCM is expensive to manufacture because Nintendo dedicate so much of their silicon budget to b/c.
Pushing down 3DS hardware margins is not the answer for a company which already loses money. The gain from extra software sales and licencing revenue is not there. The attach rate for the 3DS is much poorer than it was for the DS. For Nintendo to be sustainable in the short term they need to ensure they have healthy hardware profit margins portables and eliminate losses on Wii U hardware. That, IMO, rules out pricing action on hardware until November at least by then hopefully IBM will have shifted the Wii U to their 32nm process.
January 2013, by jvm
Weekly sales - January 2013 was a 5-weeks month
Xbox 360: 56,200
PS3: 40,000
3DS: 29,000
Wii: 20,000
NDS: 14,000
WiiU: 11,400
PSV: 7,000
PSP: 2,000
PS2: 0
Weekly sales (% YOY) - January 2014 was a 4-weeks month
PS4: 67,750
XB1: 35,250
3DS: 24,250 (-17%)
PS3: 13,375 (-67%)
WIU: 12,250 (+7,4%)
360: 12,125 (-78,5%)
Vita: < 4,250 (> -39%)
Jesus, PS3 and 360 collapsed like rocks. And...PS3 being higher than 360?
...Wii U higher than 360? What the...how O_O And Wii U is the only one up compared to last year (and probably it's all due to what happened with returns in 2013, from what it has been said)
Bad 3DS, but it's not that different, looking at weekly sales, than last year. At least...at least... ;_;
Here are my personal estimates.Except in the cases where figures are known, rounded to the nearest 5K.
Xbox 360: 281K
PS3: 200K
3DS: 145K
Wii: 100K
NDS: 70K
WiiU: 57K
PSV: 35K
PSP: 10K
PS2: 0K
I should go see how painful my predictions were.
Weekly sales - January 2013 was a 5-weeks month
Xbox 360: 56,200
PS3: 40,000
3DS: 29,000
Wii: 20,000
NDS: 14,000
WiiU: 11,400
PSV: 7,000
PSP: 2,000
PS2: 0
Weekly sales (% YOY) - January 2014 was a 4-weeks month
PS4: 67,750
XB1: 35,250
3DS: 24,250 (-17%)
PS3: 13,375 (-67%)
WIU: 12,250 (+7,4%)
360: 12,125 (-78,5%)
Vita: < 4,250 (> -39%)
Jesus, PS3 and 360 collapsed like rocks. And...PS3 being higher than 360?
...Wii U higher than 360? What the...how O_O And Wii U is the only one up compared to last year (and probably it's all due to what happened with returns in 2013, from what it has been said)
Bad 3DS, but it's not that different, looking at weekly sales, than last year. At least...at least... ;_;
shinra-bansho
Member
97K is quite a lot better than 84K and yet still abysmal for a system that hasn't reached 3 years old. It's less than the PSP was doing in like January 2010.
plasmawave
Banned
If the estimated X1 sales are 143k then that means there are roughly 800k units in retails right now?
Graphics Horse
Member
Funny people saying they'd have sold through that excess stock by the time it was reported.
It's almost as if there is a completely separate company that is taking care of the Vita and PS4 when looking at how they are doing side and side, it's sort of unbelievable how catastrophically bad one is doing next to the other one but not really.
Also, wow at the Wii U outselling the 360 and the PS3 outselling them both (although not by a whole lot). The PS3 is truly just hitting it's stride in 2014, lol. I actually wonder how much the PS3's late gen exclusives helped it here? Anyways......
3DS sales aren't the greatest either, sub 100K doesn't look too good. Someone here already said this, and I can believe it is that a lot of the hardcore Nintendo crowd already bought a revision of the 3DS so a lot of it is up to the less hardcore crowd (casuals?) to carry hardware sales for the platform here on out.
Overall, it honestly looks like the market for these dedicated gaming platforms is just imploding onto itself. There is only one console there who's number I can be even remotely impressed with (PS4). It is really not looking too good when looking at the entire spectrum here.....
Also, wow at the Wii U outselling the 360 and the PS3 outselling them both (although not by a whole lot). The PS3 is truly just hitting it's stride in 2014, lol. I actually wonder how much the PS3's late gen exclusives helped it here? Anyways......
3DS sales aren't the greatest either, sub 100K doesn't look too good. Someone here already said this, and I can believe it is that a lot of the hardcore Nintendo crowd already bought a revision of the 3DS so a lot of it is up to the less hardcore crowd (casuals?) to carry hardware sales for the platform here on out.
Overall, it honestly looks like the market for these dedicated gaming platforms is just imploding onto itself. There is only one console there who's number I can be even remotely impressed with (PS4). It is really not looking too good when looking at the entire spectrum here.....
PS3 will continue to sell well in rest of regions as there is no PS+/Gold restriction.
PS4 would have big issue selling in countries like India, Brazil etc where people wont be willing to pony up $50 a year. Even though it is a great value, forcing PS+ was a bad idea outside of NA, EU.
PS4 would have big issue selling in countries like India, Brazil etc where people wont be willing to pony up $50 a year. Even though it is a great value, forcing PS+ was a bad idea outside of NA, EU.
Hey guys, a serious question. Could the bad weather the US had in January have anything to do with the low sales? A good portion of the country were in subzero temperatures and snow for most of the month. Even the southern parts of the country like Florida and Texas were below freezing and snowy. Just curious.
I'm not even trying to parody JoeM86, I'm genuinely curious about this.
1st Course
Member
I don't know why people thought streaming was going to save the Vita.
It didn't save neither the Wii U or the Nivida shield and it won't save the Vita.
Most people simply don't care about streaming their PC/Console on a portable device. Even according to Sony themselves only 10% of Vita/PS4 owners tried it.
It didn't save neither the Wii U or the Nivida shield and it won't save the Vita.
Most people simply don't care about streaming their PC/Console on a portable device. Even according to Sony themselves only 10% of Vita/PS4 owners tried it.
King Beyond the wall
Member
Any theories as to how/why ps3 was able outsell the 360 this month? New PS4 owners picking up ps3 to make full use of ps+? The Last of Us and Gran Turismo pushing consoles?
Chobel
Member
But that's only for US, we need WW numbers. Because MS shipped 3.9M WW ==> 900K sitting in shelves around the world by the end of 2013.
plasmawave
Banned
So 700k?