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Pi from 1998 is the best movie you never seen or heard of

SantaC

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What a goddamm masterpiece it is. The mood is through the roof. I dont like black and white movies, but it fits perfectly here.

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Its production and script feels so 90s and in a good way. It is so much better than todays garbage.


Plot: Basically a genius is trying to solve life's mystery with math.
 
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bender

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It's my favorite Aronofsky film. Requiem is great too but I have a hard time watching it because of the Electroshock Therapy scenes. The Fountain was a major disappointment after those two films and The Wrestler and Black Swan are fine with some great performances, but certainly less impactful. That's where I jumped off the train.
 
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bender

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I'm just happy to see it blowing up like it's doing. I've loved it since I first played it on Gamecube and I've been there for every entry. It's a FANTASTIC series, on par with the best stuff from Ninty.

New Leaf hooked me pretty good but I have an embarrassing amount of time on the Switch version. It's all a little confusing as I've tried games like Harvest Moon and Stardew Valley and those games have never gotten their claws in me and I typically like games with more complex systems, but the simplicity of Animal Crossing just does it for me. I think it's the combination of collecting items and then the more leisurely pace that the real time clock allows for.
 
New Leaf hooked me pretty good but I have an embarrassing amount of time on the Switch version. It's all a little confusing as I've tried games like Harvest Moon and Stardew Valley and those games have never gotten their claws in me and I typically like games with more complex systems, but the simplicity of Animal Crossing just does it for me. I think it's the combination of collecting items and then the more leisurely pace that the real time clock allows for.

I like how many options it gives you. You could play it like Harvest Moon. You could play it like The Sims. You could play it like Sim City-lite. You don't have to play often, in fact there's more stuff to do if you spend a few days away from the game. And it's absolutely WHOLESOME. It sounds good, plays good, just FEELS good man.
 

cryptoadam

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Like many I saw Requim and then went back and watched this. Its a weird odd strange movie but being Jewish I loved it of course. (because of DA JOOOOOOOS). I thought it was good back in the day but I also thought I was some movie connoisseur LOL.

And no doubt its 90s AF. Kids/Clerks/PI screams 90s. Great time for movies, I think 90's rivals 80's for movies. Was a special time where you could have non blockbuster type movies become huge hits and enter the mainstream zeitgeist.
 

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Like many I saw Requim and then went back and watched this. Its a weird odd strange movie but being Jewish I loved it of course. (because of DA JOOOOOOOS). I thought it was good back in the day but I also thought I was some movie connoisseur LOL.

Wow this describes me as well haha except for the Jewish part : ) Pi, Eraserhead, Blue Velvet etc... I still have these on DVDs.. Great experiences but a little to intens and bad trip inducing nowadays haha
 
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cryptoadam

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Wow this describes me as well haha except for the Jewish part : ) Pi, Eraserhead, Blue Velvet etc... I still have these on DVDs.. Great experiences but a little to intens and bad trip inducing nowadays haha

Lol i remember watching eraserhead and blue velvet as well. Blue velvet actually for a course in school.

Loved those under ground movies that at the time were kind of unkown.

I made my buddies watch men behind the sun and salo.
 

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Lol i remember watching eraserhead and blue velvet as well. Blue velvet actually for a course in school.

Loved those under ground movies that at the time were kind of unkown.

I made my buddies watch men behind the sun and salo.

Wow i just googled Men behind the sun and i remember seeing stuff about that and being intrigued lol. Salo I've seen in parts as well.. Poop eating old men lol.

But yeah I had the same fase renting cannibal holocaust and tetsuo (it was in the VHS anime section att so ofcourse I rented it) and probably other weird stuff..

Even after 20 years I distinctly remember showing some friends The Shining and after about midway through the movie some girl said "this movie makes me uneasy" to which I replied: "so its doing its job" feeling all badass about it... cringe town.
 

TrainedRage

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I have seen and heard about it but yeah its good.

No one gonna bring up Noah or Mother his two religious movies?
 
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TrainedRage

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I liked Requiem for a Dream. Good ass movie. mother! was weird as hell though, I still am not sure what I watched.
SPOILERS for mother!


mother! is an allegory about God and the Earth. Javier Bardem’s character, whom I’ll refer to as The Poet, is God, and Jennifer Lawrence’s character, whom I’ll refer to as The Mother, is Mother Earth with the house standing in for the environment. From there, the story attempts to be a biblical allegory of both the Old and New Testament as well as a brief, deeply misanthropic view of human history.

Ed Harris’ man represents Adam. When he’s puking in the bathroom, we quickly see an injury right where his rib would be. In the next scene, his wife (Michelle Pfeiffer), representing Eve shows up. They’re allowed to wander the house, but are told specifically not to go the poet’s office, but they do so anyway where Eve accidentally breaks the fire crystal. They’re then exiled and soon begin having sex elsewhere in the house, thus representing original sin and man’s fall from grace after eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden.

Then the couple’s sons (Brian and Domhnall Gleeson) come along arguing about their dying father’s will. In their argument, one brother kills the other (Cain and Abel). The parents and the poet carry the dead brother out of the house and the surviving brother runs away. The poet and the parents then return later that night for a wake, and more and more guests come to grieve, but the wake then becomes a chaotic party where, after numerous protestations to not sit on an un-braced sink, the sink becomes unmoored from the wall and water pours into the house. Thus we have humanity’s downfall following the slaying of Abel and eventually the flood.

After the water pours into the house and the guests leave, the mother admonishes the poet, saying that he won’t even have sex with her. They then proceed to have sex, and the following morning, she announces she’s pregnant. He’s then struck with a flash of inspiration and goes downstairs naked to write. When he shows her the finished product, she sees a vision of the world rejuvenated and says that it’s beautiful. However, once again people start flooding into their home and although she’s prepared a nice, quiet meal for her and the poet, the fully pregnant mother is overwhelmed by a throng of people.

At this point, the story is kind of leaving the biblical text behind and moving more into historical record. The New Testament element is that the Mother’s child is a Christ figure, but before he’s born, the Mother goes through a hellish experience surrounded by war, human trafficking, and other nightmarish visuals before the Poet finally reappears and brings her to his private office where she can give birth to their son. The allegory here seems to be that God abandoned the Earth for stretches at a time before the messiah figure was born.

But then mankind screws it all up again and snatches away the baby, kills it, and eats its flesh as they worship at an altar to the Poet. They then assault the Mother, ripping at her clothes and beating her senseless before she’s finally able to escape, go down to the basement, smash open an oil drum, and set the entire place on fire. So even when presented with a savior and total innocent, mankind only kills, eats the flesh of the Messiah (i.e. communion), then proceeds to assault Mother Earth with God absent yet again, and Mother Earth finally uses oil (i.e. fossil fuels) to destroy herself along with humanity with God powerless to stop it.

The Poet then takes the mother’s charred body and takes out her beating heart with his hands. She turns to ash and the burned heart becomes a new fire crystal. He places the new fire crystal in its holder and we’re brought back to the beginning of the film where placing the fire crystal in the holder undoes the fire damage and a woman wakes up in their bed. The only thing that’s different this time is a different young woman wakes up in the bed. So basically the Earth and humanity will die and at best God will simply do everything all over again because he needs to create and desires love from his creations.

Additionally, throughout the film, the Mother will pause when getting overwhelmed, and touch the walls of the house where she’ll have a vision of a heart that’s slowing dying. Furthermore, the house continues to bleed, crack, and fall apart. This reinforcing the notion that Mother Nature is seeing that the environment is dying, especially as more people enter the house and cause chaos.

None of this is surprising when you consider that Aronofsky is an atheist, he’s staunchly environmental, and that humanity’s downfall in the face of an environmental catastrophe and an absent God was the theme of the director’s previous film, Noah.

To be fair, not everything in the film is a one-to-one ratio, and not everything, especially in the second half, lines up with the biblical text or the entire course of human history. Does Ed Harris’ character being a doctor mean anything? Perhaps, but I’m not sure what. Why does all the war and chaos precede the birth of the messiah figure rather than follow it? Isn’t there war and chaos on both sides of the New Testament? Additionally, the God represented here isn’t the only view of a supreme being, but for Aronofsky, it’s how he views God—as a figure who is frequently absent when needed yet constantly feels the need both to create and to be loved despite the terrible behavior of mankind and the abuse they shower upon Mother Earth.

There are also loose ends that I can’t tie up or figure out if they even represent anything. I’m not sure what the yellow liquid the Mother keeps drinking represents. I don’t know why 911 answers the phone when the Mother calls (who does Mother Earth call in the event of an emergency?). But despite these lingering questions, I’m fairly confident in my reading that the movie is about the relationship between God, Mother Earth, the environment, and humanity with Aronofsky coming down on the side of humanity being a plague upon the Earth.

I’ve also heard a few other readings of the film, but I don’t think they account for the entire picture. One reading sees mother! as a story about creation, looking at the Poet as a stand in for all artists and the double-edged sword about the need to create and the destruction that a work can wreak when it's released to the public. While I think Aronofsky certainly feels some kinship to his God figure in terms of an artist needing to create, this reading fails to account for the copious amounts of biblical symbolism, and, more importantly, fails to account for the Mother.

Another reading of the film sees this as a semi-autobiographical take for both Aronofsky and Lawrence. First, Pfeiffer’s character makes the comment that the Poet is a little old for the Mother. Aronofsky is 48, and Lawrence is 27. There’s also the aforementioned kinship between Aronofsky and the God figure, and the frustration of being worshipped by fans but also the fear they create with their constant devotion. Then, when the Mother is attacked and her clothes are being ripped from her body, you can point to how when Lawrence’s nude photos of were hacked from her phone and leaked online, she later told Vanity Fair that the hack was a “sex crime.” But again, this reading fails to account for the entirety of the movie and the overarching allegory.

That’s not to say my reading of mother! is the only valid assessment of the film or that art can only have one interpretation. However, I do believe that my case has the most evidence to support it, and if you disagree, I have one more thing to add:

Look at the title.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Actually I have both heard it and seen it.

Checkmate OP.

You should have claimed that I've never tasted or smelled it.
 
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