ZehDon
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Exactly what I was going to write.
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PlayStation Boss Jim Ryan Says Publishers Don't Like Xbox Game Pass
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm ok with their current focus, and it's not like they're courting every Japanese studio. For example, it looks like MS and Square have completely severed communication, and MS are more focused on Sega/Atlus and Capcom. As long as they have 2, 3 notable Japanese publishers in the cycle, that's ok and it shouldn't be big enough of a burden that they aren't able to make any other deals.
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ZoukGalaxy
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Jim implying that Microsoft are literally blackmailing publishers?
Also, why would ubisoft and EA have streaming services and also playstation plus exist if publishers hated them?
It's like he panicked and just said...Well guess what...publishers don't even like game pass....trust me, they told me.
Which publishers Mr Ryan?
Err ...umm...you know...all of em!
Also, why would ubisoft and EA have streaming services and also playstation plus exist if publishers hated them?
It's like he panicked and just said...Well guess what...publishers don't even like game pass....trust me, they told me.
Which publishers Mr Ryan?
Err ...umm...you know...all of em!
fallingdove
Member
You mean the praise from a couple broke, no name indie companies or internal Microsoft studios?Another false Jim Ryan narrative. The publishers getting paid don't seem to mind the security.
Amazing how much mindshare XBox has on this site. Almost XBox obsessed. The vast majority of current threads are all XBox related. And, like this one, even the Sony articles are about Xbox.
There is a reason you don’t see major publishers offering day one releases. It’s a race to the bottom that publishers realize will take them down a path of no return.
T4keD0wN
Member
Oh, so they dont hate it at all. They merely wait for their regular sales to slow down enough before taking advantage of it for financial reason. Seems like they actually really like it since so many eventually put their stuff on it after their sales fall below a certain level.
Releasing day 1 is not a mandatory part of the service, its just discretionary.
BTW, whats with constantly pushing the goal posts and creating extra stipulations? First its just games from publishers that are not small, then its no isolated game agreements and having to release day 1, then they cannot be smaller ips nor newer titles, have to "proven" and they also have to have 100M dollar budget. Whats next? I can still come up with Total war games and Yakuza btw.
Cyberpunk apparently seems to sell well even over time based on their recent reports. If it makes financial sense for them not to put it there they shouldnt, not everything has such long legs as cdpr games.
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fallingdove
Member
Seems like the exact same thing Microsoft is saying. I know we have only had a couple indie studios and internal developers praise GamePass but trust us, everyone loves it. They love it soooo much they are spending the next few years picking out the perfect game to get started.
Nydius
Member
it's sad really, poor EA being forced at gunpoint to release their yearls FIFA... uhm, sorry EA Sports FC, games on gamepass after 6 months
Maybe a minor nitpick but you're conflating Game Pass and EA Play. You can have regular old Game Pass, which doesn't come with EA Play so those players wouldn't have access to the EA Play library. That's only a perk of Game Pass Ultimate -- and hardly much of a perk at that, when one considers PS+ Premium with EA Play a la carte is still cheaper per year than Game Pass Ultimate.
But I digress. Your comment illustrates my fear of what's going to happen with subscription services and publishers. We've already seen EA decide to put all their stuff behind their own service. Ubisoft has now put all of their stuff behind their own service, so it's unlikely that future Ubisoft games will ever show up on Game Pass or PS+ Extra/Premium. It's beginning to look like the video streaming arena where everyone is going to end up making their own services for their own content, fragmenting the hell out of the industry, and driving the value proposition of subscription services down into the gutter.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
3 pages, and non of the GP shills can name a single AAA big budget title. I mean were pretty much done. If these pubs he talked hate GP…well i believe him more then victim Spencer.
LastBattle
Member
He really does come across as a massive wanker.
ReBurn
Gold Member
The indie derision is really interesting to me. Why the hate? Those are the games you'll be begging for once the big publishers abandon single player for GAAS money. Wait and see.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Well, yeah, that's what I meant, but sales be damned if MS is whiling to pay a publisher for total benefits they would loose by putting a new game on Game Pass... They've done it before and Asobo Studio seems to be pleased but I wanna see if they have balls to do so with a full AAA game lol
Publishers don't care about "loosing sales" if they can get the money anyway. I agree game value perception is harmed though, but not in every case, some games would barely see any purchase and people playing it so it also benefits them.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Jim's statements don't say anything about day 1, why are we adding this extra stipulation that if every released game isn't on GP day 1, it means the publisher hates the service ?
WB, Capcom, EA, Ubisoft, Sega etc have multiple games on the service.
I don't know about you but if I hated someone, I wouldn't want anything to do with them.
fallingdove
Member
Not if they end up being copy pasta like so many indie games have become.
Subscription services and cheap/free to play games disincentivize creativity and experimentation. If you are trying to design a low cost product that drives the largest number of plays/downloads you aren’t creating a 20 hour point and click puzzling adventure featuring a fencing Gorilla named Greg.
You get a tweened animation- or low effort pixel-based metroidvania side scroller or isometric dungeon crawler with procedurally generated areas. At least the merchandising of a digital store front culls some of the b-game rejects.
When everything is included with your subscription, you are faced with the infinite scroll nightmare of games created by developers that liked playing games but had no business making them.
Vognerful
Member
Publishers hate also selling games on discount.Jim's statements don't say anything about day 1, why are we adding this extra stipulation that if every released game isn't on GP day 1, it means the publisher hates the service ?
WB, Capcom, EA, Ubisoft, Sega etc have multiple games on the service.
I don't know about you but if I hated someone, I wouldn't want anything to do with them.
or selling physical games.
fallingdove
Member
GamePass is the Las Vegas residency — where games —quirky, unremarkable, or past their prime go to die. WB, Capcom, EA, etc, use GamePass when they realize their money makers aren’t making money any more and don’t care about preserving their perceived value.Jim's statements don't say anything about day 1, why are we adding this extra stipulation that if every released game isn't on GP day 1, it means the publisher hates the service ?
WB, Capcom, EA, Ubisoft, Sega etc have multiple games on the service.
I don't know about you but if I hated someone, I wouldn't want anything to do with them.
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Sleepwalker
Member
FIFA goes to EA play 8 months after its release, mid september to may for fifa 23 (for fifa 22 it was 9 months) . The game is already dead by then so an influx ot noobies is not seen as a bad thing.it's sad really, poor EA being forced at gunpoint to release their yearls FIFA... uhm, sorry EA Sports FC, games on gamepass after 6 months
We are not even in july and they are ramping up marketing for 24.
Furthermore while there is a deal to put ea play on gamepass, the sub service is their own and also available on playstation lol so if you're an ea play member on playstation you get the same content, including FIFA.
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ChorizoPicozo
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day one?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They said that in an internal email 4 years ago, thankfully they didn't change it.
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One word. Destiny.
Iced Arcade
Member
Yeah let's ignore the Xbox summer showcase that was chalked up with 3rd party day one releases lol
Elpidio Valdés
Member
Is that why Sony San Diego, Jim's own studio keeps releasing MLB: The Show on Game Pass every year on day one? Jim you gotta talk to your guys, they're not listening to you.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Seems like old boy Jim is speaking from experience.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
TBF, i think PS Premium and Extra is to fend of Gamepass if any publisher or dev wish to enroll the program.
Im pretty sure Sony still prefer selling games full price day 1 though.
Nydius
Member
If I recall correctly, that’s out of San Diego Studio’s and/or Sony’s hands. That was a decision by MLB Advanced Media as they’re the publisher of the game on both Xbox and Switch. (Edited for additional info.)
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93xfan
Banned
Nydius
Member
Yeah, considering the deal is still dead in the UK and that likely isn’t changing since all of the information coming out from emails only bolsters the CMA’s case.
But don’t let a good tank of hopium go to waste I guess.
K2D
Banned
What he's saying is true - devs don't want to ship inferior projects.
They also don't call the shots.
Shareholders and execs are more than willing to rush out half baked products. Preferably with mtx's shoved in there.
Quality goes to the way side in favor of quantity/profitability.
Substance loses out to eye candy etc.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Do I have a misread on this? I'm pretty sure Jim Ryan is saying that publishers who don't sign GamePass deals don't like the effect it has on the industry.
If you look at game sales, PlayStation is way outperforming XBox on big AAA multiplatform games. Significantly more than the hardware split would suggest.
I think he's referencing the fact that GamePass is muting the commercial viability of the most hardcore of XBox gamers.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
What part of this is unexpected?
People who make money by selling games not happy with people who say, "why buy games, when you can simply rent all these games instead for a single monthly fee?"
Value destructive? Hell, yeah.
And of course in the long term cements the total dominance of the service provider, who get to dictate who and what gets featured for any given month.
People who make money by selling games not happy with people who say, "why buy games, when you can simply rent all these games instead for a single monthly fee?"
Value destructive? Hell, yeah.
And of course in the long term cements the total dominance of the service provider, who get to dictate who and what gets featured for any given month.
Syphon Filter
Member
To be fair 95 percent of AAA games are bad that are either movie games or have drm, micro transactions or stale gameplay that is dumbed down.
StereoVsn
Member
People are being obtuse, mostly on purpose.
Not a fan of Jim Ryan's schtick in general but he isn't wrong herenaa he is clearly referring to large publishers and AAA games on Day 1. This can be seen from Somy's strategy with PS+.
And he isn't wrong about GamePads value destruction. This can be seen in AAA game sales on the platform where sales percentages to PS5 are disproportional to market share.
For MLB there may be contract with the league itself, doubt otherwise Sony would put it on GP. For a few other games like SE or Sega it's mostly short-sightedness or belief that vast majority of sales will happen on PS5 anyways. Personally I think this is not smart since it devalues their property, especially on PC side and with future sequel titles (Hey Tomb Raider).
Not a fan of Jim Ryan's schtick in general but he isn't wrong herenaa he is clearly referring to large publishers and AAA games on Day 1. This can be seen from Somy's strategy with PS+.
And he isn't wrong about GamePads value destruction. This can be seen in AAA game sales on the platform where sales percentages to PS5 are disproportional to market share.
For MLB there may be contract with the league itself, doubt otherwise Sony would put it on GP. For a few other games like SE or Sega it's mostly short-sightedness or belief that vast majority of sales will happen on PS5 anyways. Personally I think this is not smart since it devalues their property, especially on PC side and with future sequel titles (Hey Tomb Raider).
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Except Ubisoft do with their own service.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
They are not platform holder, they still sell enormous in numbers compared to most Xbox titles.
Hero of Spielberg
Member
They’re in court. They kinda have to answer!Why can’t these guys just shut up
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I guess there's been evidence in this court case of xbox reaching out to big AAA publishers via email for day one launches and them turning them down.
Have these emails been leaked?
Or are you all implying they don't like it and just siding with big Jim here for reasons?
I mean, EA has a service with day one games...but it's exclusively their own...Ubisoft has a service with day one titles but it's exclusively their own....
There must be emails to other big publishers for games right?
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mrmustard
Banned
I don't remember, i don't have enough knowledge to answer that, i don't know is always an option.
BigbyTheSheriff
Member
EA too. That's how I played Jedi Survivor and NFS Unbound.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Umm new games don't come day 1 on PS+.
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