Talking to me about stawmen to me then throwing out lame infinite war chest commentary nice man. You yourself have not proven that an XSX without a disc drive and less storage would be cheaper to build than the XSS. I am thinking you don't know what you're talking about.Why do I need to worry, MS has an infinite war chest, right?
sure, $299 vs $399 is where you go from being able to put food on your table or not (as if $299 were peanuts). How about something worse than XSS for even less then, why stop there? I do not believe your argument is genuine, sorry. I just do not.
You have not given me or anyone a good reason why a 0.5 TB digital only XSX at $349 would have not been possible since XSX design is so smart and cost efficient unlike the wasteful PS5 which Sony can afford to sell at $399 just by taking the Blu-Ray drive off. Such an Xbox would be a much much better and healthier proposition and would simplify devs’ life (but sure, more difficult to sell those people another affordable $299 XSSv2 in 2022 or something
Because you choose not to think about RAM limitations impeding design, or do not see games being able to build gameplay enhancing features with the power available on the GPU (one could have a 1440p or less game with DRS that uses the rest of the GPU performance in the XSX for gameplay enhancing calculations... what do you do on the XSS?) does not means others should. Choice is often let the XSS underperform or design the game around the XSX and brute force things that easily scale upwards.
CPU and SSD speed are two of the biggest changes this generation yes, and mostly XSS delivers there (downclock on the CPU side will still affect you if you try to get every bit of juice out of the XSX as you can...), but the entire system design is not just those components alone: RAM and the GPU (which is getting to be a more and more central and general processing unit as time goes on).
Essentially “XSS could have been worse, MS did not do a horrible job at it” seems like rave reviews for a public interview
Hey, I never believed they do have an infinite war chest
, so not sure why you are upset.No you are right, the more components they add the cheaper the cost d’oh...
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. I know MS did not make the XSS for devs but themselves but they are catching some people in the bet (albeit if they cancelled the XSS tomorrow and released the XSX lite I mentioned above you would be first in line to cheer it on ).
yes that's the strategy for them to gain critical mass. its different from what we used to, let's see how it will work out. we have 'cheap' subscription/rental of day 1 gamesSuspicious? Oh come on
Not seeing the $299 XSS being sold in massive volumes or being even that hot and requested of a product, not sure it is worth it for the market... it is worth it for Phil because he wants to have iPhone like iterative releases and cross generation software forever... like a walled garden closed PC ecosystem: now he has a set of active HW which creates a blur between Xbox One S, Xbox One X, XSS, XSX... and you will see them likely releasing refreshes every few years (if the strategy does not tank) and dropping one or two at the lower end each time.
This IMHO is not the strategy the helps deliver or give the opportunity for competition to produce breakthroughs or user focused innovation.
I don't know, we may get there once amd release their direct ml upscaling?
Too late.
Just under, I think.
The recommended PC specs 'take into account' that your OS (windows) is going to be hogging a bunch of it.
It's 13GB to 7.5GB for total RAM available for games..
Part of that 8gb is used to move data from storage to graphic card.
You'll see them on the Series S.
It doesn't matter with cross gen stuff, but the Series S is the baseline for the next gen games. It would be better if it wasn't.
Only 10gb is optimised so presumably that would be mostly the only used part of the Ram?
Sure you have but it's not like you have to do 2 version for different architecture or something most often is just a min config. And you don't choose the slowest PC as a baseline, that's only if you don't have time or talent. Most often you have dratic difference between lowest and highest settings, Basic geometry, streaming of assets are norm today even on PC, because you can do so much more detail than it put on the RAM. Stalker was probably last example of such design, whole level was kept in RAM.
XSS exists partly BECAUSE of streaming. If devs all targeted 12TF then their cloud would have to support 12TF for all users. Requiring they also build games for their 4TF platforms means they can have a tiered approach in the cloud.
I am not sure to follow, the remaining 3GB 'unoptimized' part is still significantly faster than XSS's 'fast' pool (336 GB/s to 224 GB/s). Are you trying to say that XSX has 'essentially' 10 GB of RAM available to games and the real difference is only 2.5 GB between the machines?..
Id Software Devs Express Their Concerns Over the Xbox Series S’ Hardware Specs; Memory “Situation” Not Easy to Compensate (wccftech.com)
So, this coming from talented programmers at id Software are baseless too? Fuck outta here dude.
I'm saying that if on average only 10gb is being used for a 4k image (this would go up or down but I'd say 10gb would be a reasonable average) then a 1080p image would need significantly less right?
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Sony would have benefited from your undying positive “hey it kind of works so stop nagging” mindset in the early PS3 days
Of course VRAM usage scales with resolution to a degree, but remember XSS must also allocate 1-3 GB for CPU/game logic needs within its 7.5 GB pool.
Great example! Hitman 3 doesn’t look better than a PS4 game.
Billions on research and development on XSS? I think you need to wake up and smell the coffee. The SX is going to outsell the XSS. MS claimed claimed it would play everything like SX but at 1440p. It's already struggling to run games at 1440p. This gen just started, what do you think will happen when far more demanding games come along?
No I don't really agree, good optimalised code for certain task is written from the onset, like not wsting cycles don't overflow memory with something which can be done with less pointers, etc. So many programming guidelines there.
I don't know anything about making video games, but I always find it amazing that studios have this live or die attitude towards making different console versions, yet when they make a game for PC, it's somehow no problem making a game work on PC with a million configs stretching from an outdated PC with minimum specs to a 3080 rig.
Honestly the onus is on Microsoft to show of that stuff namely with the Slipspace Engine. If I dont read about Halo Infinite using any of that stuff then I'm going to start thinking it's bullshit just like the Microsoft machine learning people like to bring up.
I really hope the ML stuff is real though. I think the industry as a whole would benefit from multiple competent players bringing ML solutions to the table.
I don't have high hopes, giving Halo is a cross gen title. Developing one version using all the next gen features and one without them is not going to be easy, maybe even impossible.
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Exactly, that's the issue. You and many people don't know shit about the work that goes into this and the complexities involved but "feel" that it should be somehow different than how it is. Instead of thinking 'I don't know shit, so let me not assume', you guys go 'I don't know shit but I assume'.
this is the important part.
Id Software Devs Express Their Concerns Over the Xbox Series S’ Hardware Specs; Memory “Situation” Not Easy to Compensate (wccftech.com)
So, this coming from talented programmers at id Software are baseless too? Fuck outta here dude.
