SEGAvangelist
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Maybe they can still release for Nintendo consoles in Japan. Not the worst idea.
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[RUMOR] Sony Relationship With Square-Enix Might Considerably Strengthen (Investment?)
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OrtizTwelve
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It's not inconceivable to see Sony invest or outright purchase more Japanese companies like Square Enix or Capcom. It would make sense.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Secret of Mana isn't one of their bigger franchises (IIRC) and that's getting a new entry. Neither is Octopath, but that got a sequel recently. They also published a game in October that is very unique compared to any of their other games or most games on the market, it's based in the Little Red Riding Hood fables (somewhat).
Like was said earlier, if they are investing into a publisher like Square-Enix, in return for some exclusives or maybe even revivals or classic IP, in a way that can be seen as preferable to an M&A since S-E are still allowed to do dealings with other platforms simultaneously or in the future, freely. M&As are extremely rigid and strict in that regard, lots of opportunities get cut off unless the acquired asset is sold and spun back into an independent entity, which rarely happens.
This isn't about acquisitions, but investments. I.e like Sony investing in Epic, or From Software & Kadokawa. But, perhaps more pronounced than those investments...but you're still left with a 3P who is 3P and able to work with other platforms simultaneously.
Again, this has nothing to do with M&As. There's 0% chance the rumor even pertains to that. At best, it might be hinting towards sizable investments, which is my best-case read. But it could mean something less, it's all up in the air.
The track record of the person in question is the reason I'm even willingly speculating here. But, it is a vague statement, although there isn't much they can say and IIRC they had to retract some Final Fantasy-related stuff previously by request (this is around the time they also dropped a lot of Persona-related information)
Well, Helldivers & Concord are GaaS/live-service titles so them being on PC Day 1 mostly makes sense. It's the traditional titles (or non-GaaS) being on PC Day 1 (or even in a 2-year window IMHO) that is highly questionable. Even with GaaS, I'm sure some will still be console exclusive, or at least, some should likely be.
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James Sawyer Ford
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I’d love to see them remake Chrono Trigger and bring this series back with new entries
Killjoy-NL
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Sony was already in bed with Squaresoft, so this makes sense.
They already made somekind of deal with Epic, so more partnership might be good.
Would also like to see what CDPR could do together with Sony, I think CDPR could benefit a lot from it. As would Sony, if they could rely on CDPRs expertise on RPGs.
Imo, what CDPR lacks is production-value.
Throwing in Level-5 there as well.
They already made somekind of deal with Epic, so more partnership might be good.
Would also like to see what CDPR could do together with Sony, I think CDPR could benefit a lot from it. As would Sony, if they could rely on CDPRs expertise on RPGs.
Imo, what CDPR lacks is production-value.
Throwing in Level-5 there as well.
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Flutta
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Capcom is family owned so that will never happen. SE has only a handfull of titels that aren’t putting the charts on fire so it’s a waste. So none of these makes sense their games sell most on PS anyways so theirs no point.
Either expand your own studios or get something like CDPR because PS lacks WRPG’s, or get one of the big pubs like TT or EA so MS is forced to put Act and Bethesda games on PS in the future.
Anything japanese is a waste of money. People don’t buy Xbox to play Japanese games anyways.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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There is an audience, or a subset of the main audience, who do actually buy consoles like PlayStation because of games like Final Fantasy, Octopath, Mana etc. all being on the same console, alongside various other RPGs also being on that console. These are likely core/enthusiasts (or, again, a slice of them) who are higher ARPU than someone who might only buy a console for, say, COD or Fortnite.
Because the types who may get a system for the FFs, Octopaths etc. all being there also likely buy COD, play Fortnite, and buy other games plus peripherals plus subscriptions. They probably also regularly buy Collector's Editions, merchandise and so forth. So it's not just about if a singular game is selling a ton of copies or not, it's about WHO are the ones mainly buying the majority of what copies are sold, and knowing their worth to the ecosystem in terms of ARPU.
In essence, there is notable crossover with core/enthusiasts gamers and Japanese games, including Japanese RPGs. But if you would look at this as investment opportunities and not M&As (I don't know why some are thinking this rumor is even pertaining to an M&A. At most it's investments hence that's how I've been viewing it), maybe these things make more sense.
ChuckeRearmed
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Resetera in general believes everybody who offers any Playstation rumors.
You mean like Dusk Golem and NateTheHate who got a couple of rumors correct but they started to produce some nonsense and Resetera believed. Katharsis did not teach anybody anything.
Nah, that popped up after the TGA. I do wonder where is DQ and the next KH. KH might be even in the development hell at this point, considering how does it take for games to be released.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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So we're just going to pretend this person, who was spot-on with previous rumors involving Persona and even likely Final Fantasy (assuming a FF IX remake is in development), is suddenly a "random" because of the potential context of this rumor?
Hmm...yeah, makes sense to me
...Head on the Block didn't even necessarily say anything here aside responding to another person's post. They could just be stating their own opinion, or hinting at some development. However they do have a rather consistent track record IIRC, and haven't shown a propensity for posting simply to gain notoriety like Dusk Golem. Can't say anything about Nate The Hate.
It's just a bit funny to me how selective people are, and when they want to pick & choose an insider is reliable or just a "random".
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StealthGoblin
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Sony was going to react in some way. That much was obvious. They are buying or taking stakes in their traditional partners and signing new agreements with other studios.
xDev's workload is astonishing at the moment. Investing in SE seemed natural.
xDev's workload is astonishing at the moment. Investing in SE seemed natural.
BrunoCoel
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He’s just in denial.So we're just going to pretend this person, who was spot-on with previous rumors involving Persona and even likely Final Fantasy (assuming a FF IX remake is in development), is suddenly a "random" because of the potential context of this rumor?
Hmm...yeah, makes sense to me
Head on the Block didn't even necessarily say anything here aside responding to another person's post. They could just be stating their own opinion, or hinting at some development. However they do have a rather consistent track record IIRC, and haven't shown a propensity for posting simply to gain notoriety like Dusk Golem. Can't say anything about Nate The Hate.
It's just a bit funny to me how selective people are, and when they want to pick & choose an insider is reliable or just a "random".
Ass of Can Whooping
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I love consolidation now
PanzerCute
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I want every big publisher to remain independant and release their games on as many platfoms as possible.
Fuck "consolidation".
Fuck "consolidation".
Hawking Radiation
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Morrie’s wig shop
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I know nothing about this dude or hang around resetera….
I mean this shits like 30 years in the making.
It’d be awesome if this a thing only if Sony dives into old IPs (cough,cough) like Vagrant Story, a brand new FF tactics for the love of god…. Shiieeet they can bring Tobal back. Hell maybe they can just release all of Squaresofts back catalog to PS Plus (for all regions).
I mean this shits like 30 years in the making.
It’d be awesome if this a thing only if Sony dives into old IPs (cough,cough) like Vagrant Story, a brand new FF tactics for the love of god…. Shiieeet they can bring Tobal back. Hell maybe they can just release all of Squaresofts back catalog to PS Plus (for all regions).
NonPhixion
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I hope they buy SE outright. It’s great for the industry! I know most Xboxers on this forum would agree with that.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
mckmas8808
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I don't get you people. Wouldn't the bolded be worse?
SEGAvangelist
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Nah. Their smaller games suck now. I don't think we'd miss much if those just died.
Ar¢tos
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Today on the bus stop there was a ps5 advert.
It said on top on big letters "LOVE", then had the image of Kratos holding Atreus in his arms and text in the bottom saying "Feel more with Playstation 5".
Do you really want all SE games to become slow walking forced emotional 3rd person adventure games?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
There is not a publisher out there who I play games from less than SE. They are completely worthless to me since they sold Eidos to Embracer.
graywolf323
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invest != acquire, Sony’s had investments in Square-Enix in the past after allLooking at the poll options,thicc_girls_are_teh_best definitely does.
mckmas8808
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So you'd rather buy Square for $10 Billion and never release another game on an Xbox console, than to buy exclusivity for 2 or 3 games over 5 years? Why?
SEGAvangelist
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Maybe FF would be good again.
Gojiira
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Honestly Id rather see Sony buy Kadokawa and Capcom.
They sorely need their own RPG series and From would 100% deliver that, and they would of course be unique compared to the competition.
Capcom makes a ton of sense, Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, Street Fighter etc speak for themselves and would fill gaps in PS’ lineup.
But yeah investing in Final Fantasy is a great idea too, guess we’ll see.
They sorely need their own RPG series and From would 100% deliver that, and they would of course be unique compared to the competition.
Capcom makes a ton of sense, Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, Street Fighter etc speak for themselves and would fill gaps in PS’ lineup.
But yeah investing in Final Fantasy is a great idea too, guess we’ll see.
Sojiro
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Depends on what the investing means for other platforms. I don't mind if any of the big three invest in projects to secure some exclusive titles, but if they're investing enough to effectively shut out other platforms with any releases than I have a big problem with this. I certainly don't want Sony (or anyone else) "investing" other platforms out of getting games from SE, or any other developer on your list.
mckmas8808
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You not a fan of FF7 Remake or FF16?
Ass of Can Whooping
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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No one's saying Square-Enix are being acquired. Not even part of the speculation here TBH.
Yeah, this is what I was hoping the MS/Sega "strategic partnership" was about when that got announced last year. I was even cool with those being Xbox console exclusives, to mirror what was done with the OG Xbox. Chances are likely those are going to be multi-console releases though, and the revivals announced at the VGAs might be purely Sega's own doing. But that announcement was very welcomed by me.
I'd have similar excitement if Square-Enix did similar; in their case though I can see the strategic implications in Sony also playing a hand. If that nets a few exclusives then cool.
Looking at the poll options,
Where was the word "acquire" ever used in the poll?
It's arguably the biggest traditional JRPG in Japan still, or certainly was back in the day. I think they care
I don't know how "investment" suddenly turned into "acquisition"; maybe I typed that in the title by mistake but can only see "investment". I'm not wearing and special sunglasses, though.
rhodesianshepard
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I mostly just want Sony to keep investing and expanding their own studios. Sony is a great publisher and I wouldn't mind them buying certain talented studios that are struggling financially, but as much as I enjoy Sony's first party games, they are not very innovative. They do a really good job producing games that casual gamers love. Their games are extremely well polished, amazing graphics, and very solid gameplay.
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squarealex
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Good
People claiming "nO gAmEs oN pS5", but get really mad when some exclusivity reach on this console.
Just a chain reaction with Microsoft and buying Bethesda / ABK.
Calverz
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Realistically how much would capcom cost to buy?
RoboFu
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One could say ALL the worst FF games are on PS while the majority of the best are still on Nintendo consoles where it originated.
But if this rumor is true the only reason is Sony is scared square will move (back) torwards nintendo consoles in the future since they have had a string of failures on the playstation and nintendo is killing it .
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Ass of Can Whooping
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$10 billion give or take
SEGAvangelist
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No. I hate the combat and story direction in FF7 Remake, and FF16 went way too character action for me.
Hudo
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I would've believed you if they hadn't moved their HQ to California and shut down Japan Studio.
But even if Sony were to acquire Square, Horii seems to have enough autonomy (via Armor Project) that he probably has a say about the platforms. I mean, the DQ7 and DQ8 3DS ports were published by Nintendo after all...
Ass of Can Whooping
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One could say ALL the worst FF games are on PS while the majority of the best are still on Nintendo consoles where it originated.
Whoever that one is needs to come off the crack
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bitbydeath
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So rather than pay to keep games off other platforms they should pay to keep games off other platforms?
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