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[01011001]

Maybe but as a collector myself I would not want a disc where only half the game is on it. And also like somebody said above, the game's going to require so many patches that even if the entire game were on disc, which is extremely unlikely, it's going to be a buggy mess and you're going to need some serious internet access.

But I hear you. Some people are just going to want it for the disk itself I guess.

I mean if the whole game is on the disc, and it's the 1.0 version, that also has some collector's value I imagine.

that way you'll have a preserved copy of the original gold master, like the og version of The Last Guardian, which has apparently a gamebreaking bug, but is interesting due to the missing framerate lock.

download only games will always download the newest version, so those get lost to time if not on disc

 

[adamsapple]

that was a concession made for the crossgen period, but now it has no purpose anymore.

so it should be the perfect timing to switch to UHDs now

Right, like I said, I think new-gen only games might be doing that. Jedi Survivor as an example of a game which has far more than 50GB copied off the disc.

Flight Sim ships on 2 discs and its install size is well above 100GB as well.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I mean if the whole game is on the disc, and it's the 1.0 version, that also has some collector's value I imagine.

that way you'll have a preserved copy of the original gold master, like the og version of The Last Guardian, which has apparently a gamebreaking bug, but is interesting due to the missing framerate lock.

I see what you're saying but I seriously doubt the entire game is going to be on disc considering how huge they're making the sound.

I forgot, but wasn't one of the more recent games and I think it was Jedi Survivor, that required an extra 50 GB download because the entire game couldn't be fit on disc?

 

[01011001]

Right, like I said, I think new-gen only games might be doing that. Jedi Survivor as an example of a game which has far more than 50GB copied off the disc.

Flight Sim ships on 2 discs and its install size is well above 100GB as well.

I mean a 50GB disc can have more than 50GB of data on it. compression can squeeze out some extra GB during installation

 

[killatopak]

Nooooo! Not my barely playable unpatched discerinos! What will I ever theoretically do! Despite being extremely online to the point I post on enthusiast gaming forums, having a physical copy of games for times I don't have internet service (which is never) is of the utmost importance!

You say that but I've a lot stuff done with 1.0 games. RDR2 gold bar duplication and horse taming. Cyberpunk unique items location which are now random and painting dupes. GTA Vice City/San Andreas unpatched soundtracks. Oghma Infinium, Whiterun store chest in the walls in Skyrim.

Best part is you can patch your game AFTER you did those glitches.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I mean a 50GB disc can have more than 50GB of data on it. compression can squeeze out some extra GB during installation

Perhaps but we see what happened with, I think it was, Jedi Survivor. And this is going to be way bigger than that.

Edit: oops, I thought you were replying to me in that last one.

 

[01011001]

Perhaps but we see what happened with, I think it was, Jedi Survivor.

which had more than 50GB on it. but I also doubt the whole game will be on disc... but who knows lol, they might surprise us... maybe the 1.0 version is even good...

 

[Schmendrick]

So no possibility to resell even if I buy physical?
Well Bethesda just made skipping the game really easy for me.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Just liek the Diablo IV Collector's Edition.

That's so dumb lolol

And GoW and Spider-Man 2 and RDR2. This is the trickle effect that will eventually lead to standard editions down the road. Death by 1,000 cuts.

 

[Gexxy1]

Discounted games doesn’t hinder my argument at all.

Yes it does.

Consoles already do that tho.

They don't.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Just liek the Diablo IV Collector's Edition.

That's so dumb lolol

I can't believe I'm saying this, but fucking Blizzard actually did it better than both Microsoft and Sony. The Diablo 4 Collector's Box doesn't come with a disc or digital code and this is reflected in the price being substantially lower than for example Spider-Man 2 and Starfield Collector's editions. So basically you can get the D4 collector's and then whichever SKU for the game you prefer (e.g. either the standard physical version or the digital version for PSN/Xbox/Battlenet).

 

[KormaChameleon]

What a joke. A friendly reminder that Rockstar released RDR2 with 2 discs and people seemed pretty OK with that.

 

[Schmendrick]

Good. They should just rip the bandage right off and make it 100% digital. If boxes only have a code in it then why even bother? It's a waste of materials. Just force everyone to buy it digitally!

Next gen is 100% going to be all digital and I can not wait!

You have to be really "special" to be happy about losing rights while paying the same or more.....

 

[LostDonkey]

It's £149 for a 1tb Seagate expansion card. Why don't they put games on them, they could sell them on 100gb cards for a reasonable price. Cartridge style physical collections for those that want.

 

[Super_Chicken]

I don't see the big deal. I just won't buy the game...

 

[Nydius]

I see the goal posts are being moved, as per usual around here. Now the argument is "well the whole game isn't going to be on a disk, so physical is pointless". Proving people still miss the point.

Whether the whole game is on the disk or not is irrelevant. The mere existence of a physical copy means access to consumer copyright protections -- namely the right of first sale, aka the ability to resell, give away, or do whatever the fuck you want with the copy of the game. Even if the game itself is just an installer disk. You don't get that option whatsoever in the digital space. It's one of those areas where copyright law needs to catch up (but never will, because it favors corporations who have legislators in their pockets).

Beyond that, the existence of physical copies, even if, like Halo Infinite, there's only a mere few GB on the disk, means there will also be pricing competition that you simply don't get in console digital walled gardens. Again, I point to Cyberpunk 2077 as a prime example of this. The cheapest I've ever seen it hit on PSN or Xbox Store was $19.99 IIRC, with $24.99 being the most frequent sale price. Physical copies have sold for as low as $10. During the first year of the game, aka its clusterfuck phase, Best Buy dropped it down to $5 three times -- with the steelbook.

With console digital you can't resell, can't trade, can barely share using loopholes that they will eventually close (the "Home Xbox" trick), and end up paying more for. I don't give a shit if the Starfield disk only has 20GB on it -- the mere fact that I'll be able to buy it cheaper from other retailers and can then give it away or sell it afterward makes it far more valuable than the "convenience" of digital.

 

[MrA]

Physical copies are pointless.. waste of materials, effort, net negative environmentally

Yet you probably play on a 200 to 800 watt device, anyone aiming environmental better be a switch or better phone only player as your overpowered electricity pits use way more oil,
An xsx or ps5 will burn through more resources than a disk in a typical days use and a high end pc can do more in an hour

 

[MikeM]

MikeM

No idea what CBBE is but I sure do like titties!

 

[Ozriel]

OP and thread title need updating

What a joke. A friendly reminder that Rockstar released RDR2 with 2 discs and people seemed pretty OK with that.

A friendly reminder that it’s always good to at least do some cursory skimming of the thread before hitting the reply button. Not just going by OP alone.

 

[Draugoth]

What a joke. A friendly reminder that Rockstar released RDR2 with 2 discs and people seemed pretty OK with that.

That's compeltely fine.

What it isnt fine is releasing that with two redemeable codes instead.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

This really sucks if this is legitimate. I was actually planning on buying this on disc even if it’s on Gamepass. Sorry, I just don’t feel right paying $70 for a stupid digital code. These companies are really shoving this digital era down our throats and I can’t believe people are actually embracing it.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

I see the goal posts are being moved, as per usual around here. Now the argument is "well the whole game isn't going to be on a disk, so physical is pointless". Proving people still miss the point.

Whether the whole game is on the disk or not is irrelevant. The mere existence of a physical copy means access to consumer copyright protections -- namely the right of first sale, aka the ability to resell, give away, or do whatever the fuck you want with the copy of the game. Even if the game itself is just an installer disk. You don't get that option whatsoever in the digital space. It's one of those areas where copyright law needs to catch up (but never will, because it favors corporations who have legislators in their pockets).

Beyond that, the existence of physical copies, even if, like Halo Infinite, there's only a mere few GB on the disk, means there will also be pricing competition that you simply don't get in console digital walled gardens. Again, I point to Cyberpunk 2077 as a prime example of this. The cheapest I've ever seen it hit on PSN or Xbox Store was $19.99 IIRC, with $24.99 being the most frequent sale price. Physical copies have sold for as low as $10. During the first year of the game, aka its clusterfuck phase, Best Buy dropped it down to $5 three times -- with the steelbook.

With console digital you can't resell, can't trade, can barely share using loopholes that they will eventually close (the "Home Xbox" trick), and end up paying more for. I don't give a shit if the Starfield disk only has 20GB on it -- the mere fact that I'll be able to buy it cheaper from other retailers and can then give it away or sell it afterward makes it far more valuable than the "convenience" of digital.

 

[onnextflix5]

Makes sense, doubt many will be sold due to gamepass, will the next Xbox even have a disc drive.

 

[Yoboman]

Bethesda physical and collectors edition releases are usually the stuff of comedy legend so let's see how this plays out. Remember the Fallout canvas bags?

 

[Shake Your Rump]

This has been debunked. Standard edition will have disc. Collectors edition will have a code instead.

edit: my source

 

[Syphon Filter]

People still use disks? fuck physical, why lend it to someone when who knows what they are doing with the disk(there are nasty people out there) and why sell the game when you will lose money? You mine as well get it on gamepass then in this case.

 

[ArtHands]

And if it had a physical copy, you could buy it for $12 a year after release.
And then resell that for more when it becomes retro.

I am not going to sell it though?

 

[EDMIX]

Seriously, the future is fucking dire for physical.

Yea....so Pre-order cancelled and I'm pissed cause I even contacted Best Buy asking about what was in the PC version when I pre-ordered cause the pre-order literally said "physical". They told me it was physical too, but I can't really blame Best Buy as they are merely repeating what is given to them and down own MS or Bethesda or anything like that.

Massively anti-consumer and pointless to sell a fucking box knowing its merely a code to something, folks buying it are under the impression they are buying the PHYSICAL DISK with the game on it. I get it for online only type titles, but this is a single player game.

Tweet was deleted. Hopefully a mistake

Hopefully

I’m getting digital anyway, but that sucks for anyone who dislikes digital and wants the game of the generation in physical form.

Thanks bruvs, I've owned all their games on physical for PC, as Skyrim's original 11/11/11 launch, I have the PC version on disk and wanted to do the same for Starfield. I have nothing against digital, but for many AAA games, if they have a disk version on PC, that is usually what I choose to get and was hype to hear this had a physical version for PC.

This has been debunked. Standard edition will have disc. Collectors edition will have a code instead.

^ I hope thats the case as I'll re-pre-order the PC version if thats the case lol

I even went out of my way to contact Best Buy to show them and ask them this when I pre-ordered a few weeks ago to make sure

 

[Pallas]

What a joke. A friendly reminder that Rockstar released RDR2 with 2 discs and people seemed pretty OK with that.

Let’s not forget Cyberpunk 2077 either, it also had two disc if Im remembering it correctly. Which is fine, I like to think we are passed the days of swapping discs in the middle of gameplay.


My opinion though, they will hopefully release a physical version, so I’m gonna believe espanol Bethesda.

Also Starfield isn’t the first, by a long shot to exclude a physical copy of the game with their collector editions.

 

[Success]

Phil, don't tell me this is true.

I defended you on this forum from all of this salacious slander.

Somebody, please post the Jim Ryan laughing me.

This is a sad day of gaming.

EDIT: Wait! I got baited by the first post. The thread title cites the Collectors Edition and not the Standard Edition.

If the Standard Edition is still physical then it's not that big of a deal.

 

[Topher]

Phil, don't tell me this is true.

I defended you on this forum from all of this salacious slander.

Somebody, please post the Jim Ryan laughing me.

This is a sad day of gaming.

 

[Bernkastel]

This has been debunked. Standard edition will have disc. Collectors edition will have a code instead.

edit: my source

icerock

 

[BennyBlanco]

Yea....so Pre-order cancelled and I'm pissed cause I even contacted Best Buy asking about what was in the PC version when I pre-ordered cause the pre-order literally said "physical". They told me it was physical too, but I can't really blame Best Buy as they are merely repeating what is given to them and down own MS or Bethesda or anything like that.

Massively anti-consumer and pointless to sell a fucking box knowing its merely a code to something, folks buying it are under the impression they are buying the PHYSICAL DISK with the game on it. I get it for online only type titles, but this is a single player game.


Hopefully


Thanks bruvs, I've owned all their games on physical for PC, as Skyrim's original 11/11/11 launch, I have the PC version on disk and wanted to do the same for Starfield. I have nothing against digital, but for many AAA games, if they have a disk version on PC, that is usually what I choose to get and was hype to hear this had a physical version for PC.



^ I hope thats the case as I'll re-pre-order the PC version if thats the case lol

I even went out of my way to contact Best Buy to show them and ask them this when I pre-ordered a few weeks ago to make sure

this is either gonna be an MS store copy or a bethesda launcher copy even if there's a disc. it's not gonna be DRM free. what's the point? all the mods will be targeting the steam version.

 

[StereoVsn]

I'm planning on buying the game from green man. Is that different than what you are talking about?

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Oh, interesting, it's Steam DRM. Usually MS games like Forza, Halo, Flight Simulator don't have external Steam codes.

 

[Topher]

Oh, interesting, it's Steam DRM. Usually MS games like Forza, Halo, Flight Simulator don't have external Steam codes.

I was surprised as well. Some other guy pointed it out to me the other day (can't remember who). Going to save me quite a few bucks.

 

[Rockondevil]

This would turn me off the collectors if I was planning on getting it.
If the standard didn’t have a disc I’d definitely not get it as a normal consumer as I prefer to trade in gsmes eventually.

However I’ll be game passing it anyway.

 

[Eotheod]

I was surprised as well. Some other guy pointed it out to me the other day (can't remember who). Going to save me quite a few bucks.

Because mods. Bethesda knows where the mod creators are at, and figured a Steamworks wrapped code is far better in the long run.

 

[StereoVsn]

I was surprised as well. Some other guy pointed it out to me the other day (can't remember who). Going to save me quite a few bucks.

Well, I might just get this at release as well now, lol.

 

[Topher]

Well, I might just get this at release as well now, lol.

Or get it 5 days early with the digital deluxe. That's my plan.

 

[Artistic]

I would have or will cancel my pre-order for the Premium Edition if I can’t get a physical disc from GameStop.

 

[sachos]

Not surprising given Xbox's awful track record of physical releases and DRM shit. But then they come out talking about how they care about preservation.
EDIT: So apparently it DOES come on disc after all? Thats better for sure since it enables reselling/lending, now let's go for full preservation/ownsersship and hope its playable from disc without the need for patch/downloads (something that all recent physical Xbox releases suck at).

 

[SF Kosmo]

I'm guessing it didn't fit on a disc and they didn't want to kill their margins with multiple discs. Kinda lame, especially for those users who have limited internet access or live in firewalled countries, but doesn't impact my life as someone who is gonna play it on PC via GamePass

 

[StereoVsn]

Or get it 5 days early with the digital deluxe. That's my plan.

Lol, I am not getting Bethesda games early. I suspect bug galore at release with Day 1 patch, no point jumping in early till at least some mods rolled out for encumbrance and inventory.

 

[Topher]

Lol, I am not getting Bethesda games early. I suspect bug galore at release with Day 1 patch, no point jumping in early till at least some mods rolled out for encumbrance and inventory.

lol...I hear ya my man. As for me.....I bought Star Citizen too....

 

[Rambotito]

Take me home....West Virginia.

 

[newtypepilot]

shipping empty boxes!! that's the xbox way!!!

 

[adamsapple]

lol...I hear ya my man. As for me.....I bought Star Citizen too....

 

[Topher]

 

[adamsapple]

you gave into the scam (citizen), boo!

 

[Topher]

you gave into the scam, boo!

Naw my man...I try things out and figure out what I think on my own.