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[Bojji]

It takes its toll on the vast majority of people doing it, unless they're in a position where they can afford to be discriminating, and don't really need the money, which is not many people in that line of work.

Like yes, the mere act of collecting money after sex or having sex with strangers is not inherently traumatic, but being in a situation where you have to have sex with people you would never choose to because you have to put food on the table is something that fucks you up.

Where i live (Poland) those woman absolutely have many, many other options to make money but they choose prostitution because it makes more money and (for some of them) it's easier and for women that really like sex - it's fun most of the time. But I get that in many places in the world sex work is like the only choice for women to feed their families.

I have been with few Ukrainian women (2 of them way before war), they could have less choice when it comes to work (language barier) but they also seemed super friendly. I have only seem one woman that looked sad (Ukrainian) and one Polish woman that was the ultimate bitch - Karen of sex work. Rest of them was amazing I had great time with them.

Here most of sex workers work ~8h a day, between clients they just watch tv, talk with their "roommates" or do whatever they want (I think they have free time most of the day). Prostitutes are in better position than Only Fans "models", cam girls and porn actresses, they make money but remain anonymous, they can tell their families that they do something completely different and not stigmatized by society.

Prohibitionism doesn't reduce human trafficking... We have prohibition here in the US and we're a MAJOR hub for sex trafficking victims. No state in the union has legalized prostitution... There's a city or two that has in Nevada and they seem to be safe there.

There are ton of prostitutes in US, so law clearly doesn't work:

 

[FunkMiller]

If you had actually looked what i posted, instead of trying to google an half-ass reply, you would have noticed that all of the studies I posted are actually from the systematic review of the section 5.1 of the Publications Office of the European Union Report. But perhaps the EU author assessment from such studies are also not good enough for you. To be fair, I was not expecting you to lack even the most basic understanding of research to bring blog opinions to try to discredit academic studies, and worse, cite studies limitations to try to discredit their conclusions.

I understand its hard to cope with reality and your preconceived notion has been shattered, but all the data points that legalization is not a good solution. Even a layman would understand that making the attack surface bigger will only create a bigger problem.

As for the deviant behavior, i would suggest you to simply open an history book.

Good lord. I literally quoted back to you from the articles you posted about the lack of veracity around the evidence used. Just because something is commissioned by an organisation, it doesn't make it gospel. If the data points are unsound, the conclusions are unsound as well.

Simon Hedlin even went as far as to make it clear that his study was not based on good enough evidence to make a sound judgement. That's why I directly quoted him!

And here's a direct quote from an EU report on prostitution:

• there are still many data gaps and data are not always provided disaggregated;

Ample proof not nearly enough concrete evidence exists to link legalised prostitution with increased sex trafficking. In fact, look below for the exact opposite.

You're so desperate to make out that legalising prostitution is a bad thing (for whatever reasons you may have, I'm guessing religious morality ones) that you'll ignore what's written in black and white.

Perhaps you could spend some time reading about why legalised prostitution is of benefit?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/08/07/why-sex-work-should-be-decriminalized
https://www.borgenmagazine.com/benefits-of-legalizing-prostitution/
https://journals.law.harvard.edu/crcl/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Australia

Salient quote from the above final article link:

A 2020 research on migration, sex work and trafficking showed that, due to the decriminalisation of sex work in some of its states and to a recent increase in work visa opportunities for sections of migrant sex workers, the numbers of human trafficking victims into the sex industry in Australia had dramatically decreased.

 

[DeafTourette]

Where i live (Poland) those woman absolutely have many, many other options to make money but they choose prostitution because it makes more money and (for some of them) it's easier and for women that really like sex - it's fun most of the time. But I get that in many places in the world sex work is like the only choice for women to feed their families.

I have been with few Ukrainian women (2 of them way before war), they could have less choice when it comes to work (language barier) but they also seemed super friendly. I have only seem one woman that looked sad (Ukrainian) and one Polish woman that was the ultimate bitch - Karen of sex work. Rest of them was amazing I had great time with them.

Here most of sex workers work ~8h a day, between clients they just watch tv, talk with their "roommates" or do whatever they want (I think they have free time most of the day). Prostitutes are in better position than Only Fans "models", cam girls and porn actresses, they make money but remain anonymous, they can tell their families that they do something completely different and not stigmatized by society.



There are ton of prostitutes in US, so law clearly doesn't work:

I know. That was my point... The prohibition of it hasn't slowed it down and the US is a major hub of sex trafficking BECAUSE of it ... With registration and regulations, that would make it tougher for sex trafficking to prosper ...

 

[Bojji]

I know. That was my point... The prohibition of it hasn't slowed it down and the US is a major hub of sex trafficking BECAUSE of it ... With registration and regulations, that would make it tougher for sex trafficking to prosper ...

Exactly. With legal prostitution women can work for themselves and don't need to have any pimp (or be forced to have one).

 

[killatopak]

La puta?

That’s a castle though.

 

[West Texas CEO]

Where I come from ass is ass.

Yep.

 

[thefool]

Good lord. I literally quoted back to you from the articles you posted about the lack of veracity around the evidence used. Just because something is commissioned by an organisation, it doesn't make it gospel. If the data points are unsound, the conclusions are unsound as well.

Simon Hedlin even went as far as to make it clear that his study was not based on good enough evidence to make a sound judgement. That's why I directly quoted him!

I'm not discussing anything, I noticed you were spreading misinformation and I decided to post evidence about the subject.

The 2021 EU report is merely a guideline to help Member States to legislate according to the best data-based evidence we have according to several different studies. If you dislike logic, their systematic review or you find a particular study less robust (or even wrong) you can always send a note to the editor to perhaps try to retract it. That sentiment is irrelevant to the subject, as well as your flimsy wikipedia, opinion or magazine articles.

 

[stickkidsam]

You've got some "my country is the only country" brain. Prostitution is legal to varying degrees in dozens of countries.

Sex worker is a term used to destigmatise all kids of sex work including stuff like Onlyfans.

Sounds like bullshit word games.

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm not discussing anything, I noticed you were spreading misinformation and I decided to post evidence about the subject.

The 2021 EU report is merely a guideline to help Member States to legislate according to the best data-based evidence we have according to several different studies. If you dislike logic, their systematic review or you find a particular study less robust (or even wrong) you can always send a note to the editor to perhaps try to retract it. That sentiment is irrelevant to the subject, as well as your flimsy wikipedia, opinion or magazine articles.

You’re hilarious. You literally can’t accept it when something has been debunked… even when the very thing itself is doing it!

And try to claim I’m the one spreading misinformation. Amazing stuff.

While also ignoring valid studies that don’t agree with what you want to believe!

 

[FunkMiller]

I know. That was my point... The prohibition of it hasn't slowed it down and the US is a major hub of sex trafficking BECAUSE of it ... With registration and regulations, that would make it tougher for sex trafficking to prosper ...

Indeed. The research referenced in the wiki quote I provided above, shows sex trafficking has reduced in Australia, due to the legalisation of prostitution.

 

[pachura]

When people say that some girls turn to prostitution because they like sex, I wonder how many of their clients are actually balding, middle-aged, slightly overweight men, possibly struggling with ED. Or, drunk guys coming from a stag party/football match, acting aggresively, smelling of cigarettes. Or, porn addicts, who believe that women love to be degraded, just like in XXX movies. Sex can be fun when you can choose your partners, but when you have it with 3-4 customers you don't find attractive...? Daily?

 

[eNT1TY]

DnD had it right:

 

[Bojji]

When people say that some girls turn to prostitution because they like sex, I wonder how many of their clients are actually balding, middle-aged, slightly overweight men, possibly struggling with ED. Or, drunk guys coming from a stag party/football match, acting aggresively, smelling of cigarettes. Or, porn addicts, who believe that women love to be degraded, just like in XXX movies. Sex can be fun when you can choose your partners, but when you have it with 3-4 customers you don't find attractive...? Daily?

Of course there are guys like that but at the same time there a lot of young, not bad looking guys, husbands etc.

Here (where I live) prostitute will just straight up deny service if they don't like how you behave, look or smell (not to mention you HAVE TO wash yourself when you come, there is no way around this and condoms are mandatory). Police is on their side and they probably have contact with guys that will fuck you up if you are aggressive or something.

I posted this video before



They clearly like what they do.

 

[nush]

They clearly like what they do.

Dude, it's a low key advert for their services.

 

[Bojji]

Dude, it's a low key advert for their services.

Being public they lost the best perk of being "offline" sex worker (anonymity) so they as well might advertise themselves in videos like that.

 

[John Marston]

When people say that some girls turn to prostitution because they like sex, I wonder how many of their clients are actually balding, middle-aged, slightly overweight men, possibly struggling with ED. Or, drunk guys coming from a stag party/football match, acting aggresively, smelling of cigarettes. Or, porn addicts, who believe that women love to be degraded, just like in XXX movies. Sex can be fun when you can choose your partners, but when you have it with 3-4 customers you don't find attractive...? Daily?

By experience I can confirm that all the girls I've been with were numbing themselves to some extent. With either weed or cocaine.

I can assure you that they don't "like it".
The best they can do is put on a smile and tolerate us at best.

Yes the customers you mentioned are awful but you know what's worse?

Guys like me. Nice guys who give them a huge tip and treat them like Queens.

It only confirms their choice and perpetuates their lifestyle.

 

[nush]

It only confirms their choice and perpetuates their lifestyle.

Same, but there’s bands. You have the newbies that like the cash, you have the matures that need the cash, and the ones that stayed in the game so long they got no other marketable skills and the sugar daddy they were hoping for never arrived.

 

[dsp]

Prostitution is considered to be a bad thing by most people so they needed a euphemism to soften the reality of it. Look, they even put the word worker in it and you love workers, don't ya?

It's just a process of normalizing something shitty like every other euphemism is designed to do. Forget about the fact that you are dealing with most likely abused and traumatized people, mostly women and weak men (usually turned trans through abuse, like all prisons do to its weakest men), being trafficked by psychopathic criminals... they are contributing to our new economy! Ain't that nice? America, a coast to coast Las Vegas run by its mafioso owners.

I used to be for the legalization of prostitution just to get rid of pimps, i.e. Red Light District, but now I say fuck the whole thing. People are far worse than I used to think.

 

[FunkMiller]

Prostitution is considered to be a bad thing by most people so they needed a euphemism to soften the reality of it. Look, they even put the word worker in it and you love workers, don't ya?

It's just a process of normalizing something shitty like every other euphemism is designed to do. Forget about the fact that you are dealing with most likely abused and traumatized people, mostly women and weak men (usually turned trans through abuse, like all prisons do to its weakest men), being trafficked by psychopathic criminals... they are contributing to our new economy! Ain't that nice? America, a coast to coast Las Vegas run by its mafioso owners.

I used to be for the legalization of prostitution just to get rid of pimps, i.e. Red Light District, but now I say fuck the whole thing. People are far worse than I used to think.

The reason I advocate for legalisation is on a pragmatic basis. Prostitution has been around since the dawn of man, and is not going anywhere, and you're absolutely right to say that many of the girls involved will be traumatised, abused and unwilling. Their exploitation is only made worse by it being illegal, because there are no checks and balances or oversight from authorities in place.

Now, this is not to say it would all be wonderful if it was legal everywhere, but it would be better. And in places with regulation and some control it is indeed better - Australia (particularly New South Wales) being a great example of this.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Where i live (Poland) those woman absolutely have many, many other options to make money but they choose prostitution because it makes more money and (for some of them) it's easier and for women that really like sex - it's fun most of the time. But I get that in many places in the world sex work is like the only choice for women to feed their families.

I have been with few Ukrainian women (2 of them way before war), they could have less choice when it comes to work (language barier) but they also seemed super friendly. I have only seem one woman that looked sad (Ukrainian) and one Polish woman that was the ultimate bitch - Karen of sex work. Rest of them was amazing I had great time with them.

Here most of sex workers work ~8h a day, between clients they just watch tv, talk with their "roommates" or do whatever they want (I think they have free time most of the day). Prostitutes are in better position than Only Fans "models", cam girls and porn actresses, they make money but remain anonymous, they can tell their families that they do something completely different and not stigmatized by society.



There are ton of prostitutes in US, so law clearly doesn't work:

I saw a big rise in prostitution during COVID, after the laws got relaxed, it got even worse and is back to what I would say is 80s/90s level.
We have actually come so far and progressed so much, now, I don't know, lol.
Also the proliferation of drone recording has me concerned..