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You really deserve that tag, OP.
Yeah. Why do you think that is? No company has ever held back sales numbers that made them look good. Like most companies, MS is more than happy to brag about the number of units sold when it makes them look good in comparison. That's why they started out releasing numbers for Xbox One, only to suddenly stop in 2015 after it became clear that Sony's lead had grown to such an extent that catching up had become impossible.No one knows the final 360 numbers other than Microsoft.
Did you forget about PS1 to PS2 there ? If that held true, not likely, PS6 would be a bit of a launch disaster that recovers in the end while PS5 would be dominating the competition so much the PS4 would feel ashamed for itself hehe.I guess, time will tell, but look what happened after the success of PS2. PS3 was a disaster at launch.
Now, PS4 was successful, using the same logic, PS5 must be a failure at launch.
But we will see next year. Time will tell.
I guess, time will tell, but look what happened after the success of PS2. PS3 was a disaster at launch.
Now, PS4 was successful, using the same logic, PS5 must be a failure at launch.
But we will see next year. Time will tell.
Did you forget about PS1 to PS2 there ? If that held true, not likely, PS6 would be a bit of a launch disaster that recovers in the end while PS5 would be dominating the competition so much the PS4 would feel ashamed for itself hehe.
Where did you find that logic, in your arse?
if anything, ps4 being so successful it only gives more chance to ps5 also to be successful, not the other way around.
And ps3 launch being what it were = it adds even more to the probability of ps5 launching successfully, because they have bad experience that gave them a lesson.
xbox = didnt sell so well
360 = sold ok, not really epicly
one = didnt sell so well
sex box = more likely to sell badly/average than really epicly
This logic I would understand, making bad/inferior product gen after gen could lead into another failure
Sometimes i feel like I have been living in a cave - how come I have missed this genius level troll meme? And I thought you had me at 'Sunray Sony'...We already had a consensus on here based on this link that it is indeed harmful and no one was able to dispute the source and even the mods had no choice but to acknowledge. Also, the Xbox has the same issue so this is not a Sony specific problem.
However that's a different thread. Please be sure to stay on topic in the future.
no, PSX doesnt really count, because it was their first console. we are just looking from PS2 --> PS3 and PS4 --> PS4. but again, this is all just speculating. We will see what happens and what not.
Sony has showed though that they dont like to listen to their user base. Just look at all their censorship crap, or at the crossplay disaster.. remember #BlameSony?
No one knows the final 360 numbers other than Microsoft.
Also the PS3 being a disaster is not an opinion, but I also never brought it up, you did. Why are you acting like I said anything about the PS3 being a disaster jsut because I mentioned the fact we don't have final 360 numbers?
We'll probably get that at the Series X unveil.
So your saying the guineses world records is lying and MS just let them release information that is fales and let them profit of fales information.
Count your blessings for not having game pass then. Not sure where you would be keeping all those free games.Hmmm.. it always bugs me when Sony gets called out for being arrogant. The proof is in their games.
I don't get the hate. Maybe we played two different consoles this gen? I always wonder how some users utilize their PS console when they come in with so much hate. The worst thing I ran into this gen was not having enough space to hold games.
It's too early to really tell but I have a feeling Sony will be doing the bare minimum and therefore will caught off guard.
We hadn't had the full sales of either for years, GR just went with the PS3 number because it was announced only recently before they added it. Microsoft never released the numbers. This is a fact, Guinness doesn't have the numbers, only Microsoft has the numbers. What you want to believe isn't relevant, the only thing that matters is what we have, and we don't have 360 numbers, we only have PS3 numbers. Also Wii numbers but that was known long ago.
As for the PS3 being a disaster, it was a disaster, that's not debatable. Opinion about whether you like their games or not won't change that, I like PS3 games, doesn't mean the PS3 wasn't a major failure that caused Sony to completely restructure the company and lose money across multiple divisions. Even now they are at best at the halfway point of getting those losses back, for the gaming division. The bleeding from the other divisions are not coming back, especially since some of those other divisions no longer exist like Laptops for example.
We hadn't had the full sales of either for years, GR just went with the PS3 number because it was announced only recently before they added it. Microsoft never released the numbers. This is a fact, Guinness doesn't have the numbers, only Microsoft has the numbers. What you want to believe isn't relevant, the only thing that matters is what we have, and we don't have 360 numbers, we only have PS3 numbers. Also Wii numbers but that was known long ago.
As for the PS3 being a disaster, it was a disaster, that's not debatable. Opinion about whether you like their games or not won't change that, I like PS3 games, doesn't mean the PS3 wasn't a major failure that caused Sony to completely restructure the company and lose money across multiple divisions. Even now they are at best at the halfway point of getting those losses back, for the gaming division. The bleeding from the other divisions are not coming back, especially since some of those other divisions no longer exist like Laptops for example.
OK let's say for argument sake your right (even though we both know ps3 outsold 360),
PS3 was a disaster, but, it wasn't actually a sales disaster at all.
They are in a position now because they made a good console the PS4, what makes you think going forward things will change?To say the PS3 was a success from any objective perspective is just plain wrong. People keep downplaying how bad it hurt Sony and I find that unfortunate since it means they will never understand how Sony ended up in the favored position they are in now.
They are in a position now because they made a good console the PS4.
The money they brought in from sales of the PS4 and games was not part of there resurgence?They are in the position they are in because of the changes and restructuring due to the PS4, the console wasn't the only reason why the PS4 did so well.
This is what happens when crazed fanboys oversimplify real events that impacted thousands of people on the business end, and wonder why business interact with the public so seldomly when it comes to information.
The money they brought in from sales of the PS4 and games was not part of there resurgence?
Who the hell is this guy?We hadn't had the full sales of either for years, GR just went with the PS3 number because it was announced only recently before they added it. Microsoft never released the numbers. This is a fact, Guinness doesn't have the numbers, only Microsoft has the numbers. What you want to believe isn't relevant, the only thing that matters is what we have, and we don't have 360 numbers, we only have PS3 numbers. Also Wii numbers but that was known long ago.
As for the PS3 being a disaster, it was a disaster, that's not debatable. Opinion about whether you like their games or not won't change that, I like PS3 games, doesn't mean the PS3 wasn't a major failure that caused Sony to completely restructure the company and lose money across multiple divisions. Even now they are at best at the halfway point of getting those losses back, for the gaming division. The bleeding from the other divisions are not coming back, especially since some of those other divisions no longer exist like Laptops for example.
Nobodies arguing just having a civil conversation......geez man chill!I never said it didn't, if you aren't able to comprehend all Sony went through to get to this point just say so instead of arguing without reason.
The PS4 started out strong against a poorly thought-out, but also misunderstood Xbox One reveal. Specifically the policies were a major concern and Sony took advantage of the platter Microsoft handed them. But then E3 came and we saw the first glimpse of what I like to call 'Sunray Sony" why do I call them that? The rays of the Sun can be beautiful but if they increase in intensity it can become blinding or cause health issues of the skin, fooling you to your death.
That's what the PS4 has been going through since E3, where Sony quickly introduced paid online as quickly as possible and tried to bury it, but the crowd was not fooled and the cheers they were giving before turned into stumbled silence.
We saw Sony deny cross-play and only open up to a few select titles, lack of effort into Backwards Compatibility so they can charge you high prices for PSNOW, raising the prices of PSN+ in several countries, censorship, egotistical interviews with developers, closing down of studios that don't meet their new inflated criteria, acting like it's a privilege for you to buy their console.
To top it all off we have confirmed rumors that report on the speculation that the PS5 will be releasing with weak specifications and assuming you will buy it because they think you don't have a choice. They are so far up their ass that they believe that you will buy the weaker console just because you should be honored to even have a console to buy in the first place.
This leads me to believe that Sunray Sony, or arrogant Sony for the masses, has returned and will need another slap in the face to get in line.
People only look at unit sold because it's the only thing they understand. They saw PS3 eventually outsold 360 and declared Sony as the winner of last gen lol.Did you guys skip business 101 in 3rd grade?
The PS3 by definition was a sales disaster, it was supposed to sell MUCH more than it did for years, that's why Sony lost truckloads of money. The Number on paper doesn't matter. I can have a $50 product and expect it to sell 5 million copies. If I am forced to drop the price to $1 but sold 60 million copies that 60 million looks good, but it's not going to stop me from selling my assets while negotiating with bankruptcy court.
I don't think people understand since it's been several years later, how much damage the PS3 did to Sony and how the damage spread and helped permanently kill other divisions such as the Laptop division and others. They had to fire and hire a ton of new staff, restructure the company, completely change how they operated, the death of SCE and SCEA, and so much more. Nothing about the PS3 was good to anyone outside the gaming consumer end, and that's only after 2009.
To say the PS3 was a success from any objective perspective is just plain wrong. People keep downplaying how bad it hurt Sony and I find that unfortunate since it means they will never understand how Sony ended up in the favored position they are in now.
Who the hell is this guy?
Someone fill me in. All i know he makes bullshit threads and something about bluray cancer.
People only look at unit sold because it's the only thing they understand. They saw PS3 eventually outsold 360 and declared Sony as the winner of last gen lol.
It's funny cause everyone uses "Arrogant Sony" as a thing, as if they're the only ones that have suffered from being arrogant. Remember the Wii? Remember what came after it? Wii U, was that due to "arrogance" or confusion idk... Xbox One? was that due to "arrogance" or was that just misreading the market? arrogance or misreading, smells the same to me.Can anyone blame them though? When someone is having the larger base and the best sales with no competition? I find it normal to be honest
I’m not saying they ar but even if they were, I don’t blame them at allIt's funny cause everyone uses "Arrogant Sony" as a thing, as if they're the only ones that have suffered from being arrogant. Remember the Wii? Remember what came after it? Wii U, was that due to "arrogance" or confusion idk... Xbox One? was that due to "arrogance" or was that just misreading the market? arrogance or misreading, smells the same to me.
That’s something that should be understood by all those absurd people that are so attached to plastic. People missed on great experiences just because of that rubbish mentality. I got extreme Xbox friends that would never touch anything Sony or Nintendo and I got the same with Nintendo and SonyI think some of us have forgotten gaming is just a hobby and huge multi billion dollar corps only care about making money!
There is no "lack of effort into backward compatibility." At least not on the PS3 front. Neither the PS4 nor the PS4 Pro have the raw horsepower to emulate the PS3. Not even close. The PS3's architecture is simply too different.
Did you guys skip business 101 in 3rd grade?
The PS3 by definition was a sales disaster, it was supposed to sell MUCH more than it did for years, that's why Sony lost truckloads of money. The Number on paper doesn't matter. I can have a $50 product and expect it to sell 5 million copies. If I am forced to drop the price to $1 but sold 60 million copies that 60 million looks good, but it's not going to stop me from selling my assets while negotiating with bankruptcy court.
I don't think people understand since it's been several years later, how much damage the PS3 did to Sony and how the damage spread and helped permanently kill other divisions such as the Laptop division and others. They had to fire and hire a ton of new staff, restructure the company, completely change how they operated, the death of SCE and SCEA, and so much more. Nothing about the PS3 was good to anyone outside the gaming consumer end, and that's only after 2009.
To say the PS3 was a success from any objective perspective is just plain wrong. People keep downplaying how bad it hurt Sony and I find that unfortunate since it means they will never understand how Sony ended up in the favored position they are in now.
You can literally install a third-party PS3 emulator on a jailbroken PS4. first-party one would take less effort and less resources.
Did you guys skip business 101 in 3rd grade?
The PS3 by definition was a sales disaster, it was supposed to sell MUCH more than it did for years, that's why Sony lost truckloads of money. The Number on paper doesn't matter. I can have a $50 product and expect it to sell 5 million copies. If I am forced to drop the price to $1 but sold 60 million copies that 60 million looks good, but it's not going to stop me from selling my assets while negotiating with bankruptcy court.
I don't think people understand since it's been several years later, how much damage the PS3 did to Sony and how the damage spread and helped permanently kill other divisions such as the Laptop division and others. They had to fire and hire a ton of new staff, restructure the company, completely change how they operated, the death of SCE and SCEA, and so much more. Nothing about the PS3 was good to anyone outside the gaming consumer end, and that's only after 2009.
To say the PS3 was a success from any objective perspective is just plain wrong. People keep downplaying how bad it hurt Sony and I find that unfortunate since it means they will never understand how Sony ended up in the favored position they are in now.
What does that have to do with a future system that hasn't released yet? People said the same thing with the PS2.
It's how the company is run that is important, not the output, because the former affects the latter.