grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Except Hatred isn't officially rated by the ESRB so its still free to stream under this new policy!
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Twitch bans Adults Only games
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hydrophilic attack
Member
Who the fuck cares if minors watch something they shouldn't? Can Twitch get into legal trouble if they do? Otherwise, I can't see why anyone would care.
As ridiculous as it is, I wouldn't call it "bordeline prostitution". More something along the lines of "interactive stripping"? I don't even know why I'm arguing
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Nudity alone isn't enough for an AO rating. And a game depicting copious amounts of explicit sex is essentially porn, so it has to be age screened. And it scares away advertisers, who don't want their brand tainted with smut.
hobblygobbly
Member
Sure they can. Just not on Twitch though. Steam is the same, you can't sell AO games unless it is censored IIRC. Very very few games are AO any way.
Also I have no problem with how some female streamers run their channel, every body does every thing possible for a leg up in a competitive environment, if a woman wants to show more cleavage purposefully for more viewers who gives a shit - all the more power to them. Those interested will appreciate it and those aren't won't even be watching the channel so I don't see the issue. I'm not interested in that side of twitch but don't see why men or women can't do that or people who want to see it can't. There are already 18+ warnings set on channels for mature content.
Also although twitch made that rule of "don't show too much cleavage etc", it's barely enforced at all.
RageWaffles
Member
I don't see how writing on one's self for money = fucking for money...
Adults Only games are verbotent, but borderline prostitution is still perfectly cool with Twitch:
psst:
http://www.dailydot.com/geek/twitch-sexy-streamers-rule-change/
As ridiculous as it is, I wouldn't call it "bordeline prostitution". More something alpong the lines of "interactive stripping"? I don't even know why I'm arguing
You're arguing because calling cleavage "borderline prostitution" like he did set off a "that's some stupid shit" part of your brain.
I can't find any evidence of that being the case. Numerous articles say that the devs said it's been rated AO, but that's about it. Also, I doubt the ESRB pulls ratings information down upon request (that strikes me as counter-productive), but I don't live in the US so I'm not familiar with how the organisation operates.
Edit: See HGH's post below.
Nothing new here I feel, this movement to crack down on some games has been going on for a while. Although I recall incidents where Twitch mods tried to ban a streamer who had just finished MGS4 and was watching the ending because "Streaming movies is not allowed on Twitch, please provide evidence you are playing a game". That was funny as heck. A less funny incident was when they cracked down on SK streamers telling them to stop because they're "not actually streaming a real game" or something.
Wait a second. Why does the Twitch mod keep citing Polygon as a source? That seems dumb as hell.
They're using Polygon, but if I check the Steam store it says they basically sent a questionnaire to the ESRB that automatically assigns a rating to the game IF they were to submit it for rating. So technically it doesn't have a rating but has a "potential" rating.
Twitch chat is known for being really bad, and an AO game would bring out the worst.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
The developer is lying. Hatred has not been rated by the Esrb. It's just an attention gimmick.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
And you can, just not on their service. Their service, their rules.
Backfoggen
Banned
I definitely saw the entry on the web site back when the devs talked about it.
Yeah seems like the next step in trying to sell shit content " we're too cool for the ESRB, but it would have been AO except we are too edgy to submit it".
KuroPyonyo
Banned
What is it with companys and pathetic pseudo morals?
Just as stupid as paypal not wanting to take my money.
Just as stupid as paypal not wanting to take my money.
thelastword
Banned
Someone should just make a streaming service that allows for AO games and content, just age verify and categorize it from regular games.
Prime crotch
Banned
There's more money for them this way
Is there anyone out there really clamouring for those games to be streamed though?
Not every single piece of content needs to be shown.
No, people are just being over dramatic.
Nobody's gonna leave the service or launch a new one over the 12 viewers you might get streaming Playboy Mansion: The Game.
KuroPyonyo
Banned
You mean the advertisers that want to show their boring uneffective ads only in a cuddly familiy friendly enviroment? Well they are just as wrong.
They should shoot some ads with brazzers or something, would be far more interessting.
Could it be that what you saw was just the automated rating that got filed for it?
I think my earlier post wasn't on point(just based on the Steam page and discussions there), but I've found some comments that have elaborated on the issue on the twitch blog post:
Was it a giant marketing ploy? Could be.User demeteloaf on Twitch said:
Dr. Buni
Member
No, they shouldn't. This is like saying people should be allowed to use adult content as avatars or post adult content on GAF.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Adults Only games are verbotent, but borderline prostitution is still perfectly cool with Twitch:
What the hell is this shit
Acidote
Member
Welcome to twitch.
The only thing missing there are balloons to write things on because she's writing it on herself.
Actually, I don't think it's missing anything.
Triggerhappytel
Member
That's what I thought too. It's going to make almost zero difference.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
That twitch comment is correct about the short form. But the Hatred guy kept bragging about how he was sending in the stuff for the long process anyway despite not being a packaged good and therefore not needing to. Which would have led to a formal rating being released. Yet there no longer exists the formal rating, if it did ever exist.
I suppose there is a scenario where they did go through the long process and did get a formal AO rating released that everyone saw, but then did something to get their rating revoked. At least short form rated games can be revoked:
Either way, the Hatred guy is obviously playing the AO rating up for publicity regardless of what he did or didn't submitted. And this new Twitch policy is still toothless since download games aren't obligated to get rated or reveal their ratings, meaning this policy only applies to some 90s sex games lol.
Memorabilia
Member
Censorship is bullshit. Twitch alternatives?
Is this censorship or is it a company imposing its values on its users? I mean is it fundamentally different to Microsoft/Sony/Valve/Nintendo not allowing AO/Pornographic titles on their platforms? (AFAIK, though we did have uncensored BMXXX on the Gamecube)
Edit: Was San Andreas really stuck with an AO because of hidden away unfinished fully clothed sex scenes? :lol. Then we have GTA IV/V with the fucking Euphoria Engine designed to make killing people feel more realistic and that's an M
I assume these restrictions will be solely based on the ESRB ratings?
Reminds me of certain camsites
. I dunno, her life, her body. If it works for her then who are we to judge her and her viewership?
Edit: Was San Andreas really stuck with an AO because of hidden away unfinished fully clothed sex scenes? :lol. Then we have GTA IV/V with the fucking Euphoria Engine designed to make killing people feel more realistic and that's an M
I assume these restrictions will be solely based on the ESRB ratings?
Reminds me of certain camsites
that I have zero experience with
Makes the whole thing a bit more perplexing to be honest. Were these games really causing problems on twitch?
Dude, people could ruin the lives of people if they showed some hot coffee scenes from SA
Edit: Oh, that's factually wrong now
Edit #2: Oh my god. The PC, PS2 and Xbox versions are still rated AO. But the PS3 version is rated M :lol. The fuck ESRB?
Trickster
Member
Except there's still plenty of insane cleavage and "donate x bucks and i dance" stuff happening on twitch.
It's not really censorship since it's the company exercising their right to deny content on THEIR servers.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
Putting Adult Only on steam seems like some sort of false advertising. They should have to put not rated, if they're not rated. Something seems wrong with that.
Backfoggen
Banned
Well, I believe that you believe you did.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-01-16-hatred-gets-the-dreaded-ao-rating-in-the-us
Here is an article of Eurogamer that confirmed it.
Was more of a rhetorical question. I agree with what you say
benicillin
Banned
If someone actually believes this censorship I think my head might explode. Not being able to stream Hatred or some other shitty edgelord games is, quite literally, the least important thing to happen all year.
Eroge are probably unrated anyway. Although someone did stream the uncensored version of Nekopara, but it resulted in a 24h ban only from what I remember.
I wonder how much thought went into this RoC update and its wording before it was published because before hastily put together update they kinda banned Europeans from streaming very popular games like Witcher 3 and GTA V, because PEGI has given them AO/18+ rating. Twitch just forgot that ESRB doesn't give global ratings for games and things like PEGI do exist?
Their service and their rules, but I can't but think that this RoC update will affect only Hatred. If even that considering how unenforced whole "cleavage rule" is.
Their service and their rules, but I can't but think that this RoC update will affect only Hatred. If even that considering how unenforced whole "cleavage rule" is.
Handy Fake
Member
Fair enough. Probably don't want to leave themselves open to the inevitable lawsuit when some bairn gets caught by their Mother watching a virtual and bloody gangland shootout.
The games are rated, and it leaves them wide open if they allow unfettered streaming.
The games are rated, and it leaves them wide open if they allow unfettered streaming.