demosthenes
Member
Would be cool if we all open the book and the first chapter is titled Jon and he's on ghost.
Edit: no way cat will ever help Jon.
In the books she'll kill some freys and them just let herself die with her revenge fulfilled.
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Would be cool if we all open the book and the first chapter is titled Jon and he's on ghost.
Edit: no way cat will ever help Jon.
In the books she'll kill some freys and them just let herself die with her revenge fulfilled.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Are you thinking about Tansy?
Is there a good place to read about events and characters from the various books without spoiling others? I'm just about to finish the first book after starting it over twice and leaving it for probably a year, but this time I picked from where I left last and forget certain details
electroshockwave
Member
First chapter should be titled Ghost. In AFFC and ADWD there were chapters called Reek, Alayne, The Blind Girl etc so it fits.
Davos will be in Skagos
https://towerofthehand.com/
You can set the scope at the top of the pages to whatever book you've already read. For example the pages for characters says almost nothing until you change it from "no books read".
Pyramid head
Banned
Probably. No idea why I was conflating any of that with Jon and Ned.
demosthenes
Member
Good point. So easy to forget stuff like this.
Prologue will involve Jeyne Westerling, so probably not. Unless you mean the first proper chapter, in which case yes. "BENJEN" would be most hype, though.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
I'm thinking Jon might not be a POV any longer. That his perspective will be gone since he died. There's a reason Melisandre is actually named, and not The Red Woman. However, I can also see Jon having a perspective in Ghost for a chapter, or The White Wolf.
I use this for seeing which chapters said what.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Chapters
Martin was pissed LSH wasn't included in the show so I think her role is bigger than killing Freys and dying.
adamsappel
Member
Why does he continually call Sansa "Sandra" during this?
Because that's how Lyanna Mormont pronounces Sansa.
It's not nitpicking, when the actual writers forget most of their plotlines you know the quality of their work.
Didn't up hear? Asking for cohesive and logical storytelling is nitpicking.
Atraveller
Banned
So the quarrel was real, it really was that stupid. Jesus.
Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 8 - it really is that stupid
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Make that the show only thread. Would be a great title.
hendersonhank
Member
Sansa and Arya haven't seen each other in years, they didn't like each other in the first place, and now Arya is some weird assassin while Sansa is hanging out with Littlefinger.
Not so crazy they distrusted and were hostile to each other.
Not so crazy they distrusted and were hostile to each other.
ResidentWeevil13
Member
Arya in ACOK - "When she thought of seeing Robb's face again Arya had to bite her lip. And I want to see Jon too, and Bran and Rickon, and Mother. Even Sansa . . . I'll kiss her and beg her pardons like a proper lady, she'll like that."
They never got a long, sure, but after what happened to them and to their family, you'd think they'd be a little more willing to work together and little less willing to contemplate killing one other. Like there's a big difference between sibling arguments, and what happened in season 7
John Dunbar
correct about everything
i'm the last person to defend the show, but that was before arya became a psychopath.
of course the show seems to spin a wheel to determine what personality arya has in any scene she appears in.
Because she won't be coming back with her father and the rest of Greywater Watch to help in the war.
Well season 8 hasn't finished. With 6 episodes left, and barely enough time more than 30 second scenes for Bran and Tyrion etc. Why would Meera get anymore air time unless she was absolutely needed.
I think by the end though, her and Bran will get together if he doesn't die and also loses his Three Eyed Raven status. Who knows though. I definitely have a feeling we'll probably see most of the South and the Northerners have some kind of last stand near Winterfell. Jaime will show up, Bran will remind him he threw him out window etc.
cj_iwakura
Member
I can buy a lot of things that GRRM told D&D, but I can't buy that Stannis would burn his own daughter.
I don't think they ever said that was from GRRM. Only that she gets burned.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
It makes no sense that Shireen is sacrificed by anyone but Stannis.
cj_iwakura
Member
Melisandre in his absence?
Stannis took his troops to fight, they are routed, Selyse begs Mel to save her husband, offers the daughter she never liked as a sacrifice instead. Stannis survives because of intervention (Jon's return?), goes back and realized what happened, executes them both.
Selyse would totally do it. She treats Shireen like garbage and she's a fanatic to boot.
The problem is that the showrunners seem to imply that Stannis's entire arc, starting from Season 2, led up to the moment where he sacrifices his daughter. I suspect it informed the way they wrote the character in earlier seasons (ie, a shitbag).
TWoW spoiler
Stannis wants her on the throne even if he dies. Doesn't sound like someone that would sacrifice her to win.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
It will probably be Jon's return that Shireen's death brings. The Freys & Manderlys get sent out at the end of ADWD (or beginning of Winds). So it's likely that the Manderlys will kill the Freys, thus giving Stannis an advantage in men. Plus if Stannis burns
Theon
Desperation drives men wild. Like Davos said in the show, him and Robert rebelled against their rightful ruler. How can he truly have a claim to the Iron Throne if Dany is alive and it becomes obviois while he is more honorable than others even to a fault, he will have his breaking point. Maybe losses adding up, the loss of the sellswords, just like the show, he is convinced to do it. Maybe it won't be as callous as on the show.
The way D & D responded after hee burning, they made it seem obvious or clear is because it is what GRRM told them and would happen in the book. No one else would do it. Maybe Selyse but I think the way they showed it on tv is what will happen in book. Regretting it after. Who knows. Maybe GRRM should have finished his books rather than let his characters be tarnished by the show. Look at show Loras versus book Loras. I can't think of Loras Tyrell as anything more than effeminate wimp into brooches now.
Stannis burning Shireen would be a serious jump the shark moment in the books for me. I don't even like him that much.
It's a bit of a shame this show's thread tittles are so dry.
It's a bit of a shame this show's thread tittles are so dry.
chicken_pasta
Banned
We didn't really get boobs this season, did we? I hated the first seasons, because they turned everything into a fuckfest.
What's the difference between tarnishing the characters himself and letting someone else tarnish them? Look at book Tyrion. Lol. At least the show is entertaining.
Byakuya769
Member
Hows she a psychopath?
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
To be fair that's kinda how the books are.
I would have loved seeing Book Tyrion in the show. It would be hilarious to see the turn against him by the show-only people. Still kinda surprised people like Dany, despite her being a moron half the time.
She kills people and takes their faces, and her entire arc is her learning to kill people and how much joy she gets from killing someone.
Missandei?
Yes so she's a skilled murderer, there's a name for that - assassin. She only gets joy from killing the people she hate though, not killing in general. Psychopaths lack empathy, her entire arc of rejecting a dispassionate sense of murder as duty, but instead choosing to kill targets of her choosing and not killing those she feels do not deserve death, shows the opposite of being a psychopath.
Byakuya769
Member
Oathbreakers, loan sharks and rapists. If she is a psychopath for those actions, who isnt in this series?
chicken_pasta
Banned
The show was worse. First season had some made up scenes to justify more nipples.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
I guess you are right. I just don't think I like her character arc. I do wonder how it's going to end. I don't really see a logical conclusion for it.
They also removed nudity from Caitlyn Stark ¯_(ツ
_/¯ (although that's my only example). And Dany's sex scene.And Ned in the same sceneI guess you are right. I just don't think I like her character arc. I do wonder how it's going to end. I don't really see a logical conclusion for it.
They also removed nudity from Caitlyn Stark ¯_(ツ
Also, I am a bit tired of people suddenly thinking that Rhaegar was not a horrible person just because he didn't kidnap and rape Lyanna. Dude forsake his wife and children to pursue a woman already betrothed to another man.
chicken_pasta
Banned
And Ned in the same scene
Also, I am a bit tired of people suddenly thinking that Rhaegar was not a horrible person just because he didn't kidnap and rape Lyanna. Dude forsake his wife and children to pursue a woman already betrothed to another man.
Rhaegar got divorced. Lots of people do that.