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Marvel14
Banned
Why not re read the post properly and make sure you fully understand it? I am explicitly differentiating between valid criticism and shitting.
Your armchair psychoanalysis of an OP on a videogame forum is darn funny though...I'll give you that.
I can shit all over FF16s boooooooooooooooooooooooooring and redundant side quests. And it can still be a valid criticism.
Your premise for this thread seems pretty clearly to be "there is something wrong w people who have differing opinions on highly reviewed games" and you seem hellbent on finding ways to label such people to devalue their opinion.
It's because, ultimately, tastes are different. What appeals to you might not appeal to me. And, believe it or not, there are people out there who are natural outliers. And most people are probably outliers in at least one way or another.
If you scrubbed through every honest opinion you have, I bet at least one of them goes against the general consensus. Not because you want it to, but just because that's the way it is. There are 9 billion people on the planet now; they are not all going to agree with one another.
I find it more fascinating that there even are games that that are so consistently highly-rated by critics. It doesn't line up with other mediums, where the average score is more... Well... Average.
Highly-rated games that I genuinely do not think are that good:
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
God of War (2018)
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Odyssey
Every Halo game.
If you scrubbed through every honest opinion you have, I bet at least one of them goes against the general consensus. Not because you want it to, but just because that's the way it is. There are 9 billion people on the planet now; they are not all going to agree with one another.
I find it more fascinating that there even are games that that are so consistently highly-rated by critics. It doesn't line up with other mediums, where the average score is more... Well... Average.
Highly-rated games that I genuinely do not think are that good:
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
God of War (2018)
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Odyssey
Every Halo game.
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ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
It might be because they don't believe that well-rated games are being reviewed honestly. They might be frustrated with both the game companies and the collaborative magazines. This situation is more common in AAA games.
Humdinger
Member
No you're not. If you think you are, you should go back and reread your own post. I'll quote it for you:
Three different types, all worthy of your condescension -- the third "seeks to destroy," the second has "larger personal issues," and the first is an example of a misdirected "well-established part of human behavior," by which you apparently mean tribalism. Poor souls. Oh, and there's the fourth, who is talking about something besides videogames, and you "can only shake your head at." All condescending judgments.
I don't see any allowance for legitimate criticism, apart from the point where you edited your OP to incorporate feedback -- although you left everything else the same, including the intro (which makes no such distinction), all three types (making no distinction) and the quoted portion above (no distinctions).
If you think you adequately distinguished between legitimate criticism and trolling and/or console warrioring, you did not. If that was in your head somewhere, you did not do a good, clear job of communicating it. That is not how your OP reads. Why do you think you got all the backlash you did? Because "console warriors"?
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Pallas
Gold Member
This man is a terrorist, mods. Apprehend him!
Is that you Jim Ryan?
But seriously, Starfield like a lot of big AAA games always gets overhyped, exclusivity makes it worse. Xbox fanboys, PlayStation fanboys, etc always want to shit on the other. It’s like your favorite football team.
Personally a game doesn’t need to be a 90+ or 95+ to be great. We as gamers PUT way too much stock in a lot of other opinions. Yes some reviewers/reviews do highlight pros and cons and give legitimate constructive criticism but there is also a lot of personal bias, judgmental reasoning that a lot of times doesn’t relate to the game but to the publisher, developers, platform holders, etc.
ANYWAY just enjoy the game, doesn’t gotta be perfect. Rather it’s Starfield, FFXVI, or whatever.
lol! projecting much? thats the whole premise of your "article"
Edellus
Member
Maybe an other option can be resent for being left out. That other people are having fun without them and they can't handle that. If they're not having fun, then no one can.
Perhaps that's also the reason why when there's a game they don't like how it looks like, instead of ignoring it, they go out of their way to ruin it for other people.
Perhaps that's also the reason why when there's a game they don't like how it looks like, instead of ignoring it, they go out of their way to ruin it for other people.
sainraja
Member
This. =/
Romulus
Member
And the game is brand new. We'll have videos in the coming weeks of all sorts of shit they reused and pasted.
I don't have a solid answer tbh, by pinpointing best known years for quality contents without being specific,
1998 through 2011, people get pissed from puzzles, they can't get through and don't want to ruin their experience.
Post 2010, games no longer look visually stunning, we've reached a point where we are not actually immersed by Technology advancements anymore, devs started relying on tricks like borderlands to achieve the wow factor.
Post 2013, worlds aren't fascinating anymore, they really don't matter anymore, after skyrim, bioshock infinite, the last of us, people don't give a s about the stuff they see from a distance, they aren't mysterious and gorgeous anymore, instead, game scenes actually became consumed more often than ever, you see big areas but there isn't much to do there, the environment isn't rich as it used to be.
8th, 9th Gen, the maps are getting smaller
like many jrpgs and some old ips like halo, the areas used to be bigger but they aren't anyone, I'm not an engineer but I can tell there's a clear difference.
1998 through 2011, people get pissed from puzzles, they can't get through and don't want to ruin their experience.
Post 2010, games no longer look visually stunning, we've reached a point where we are not actually immersed by Technology advancements anymore, devs started relying on tricks like borderlands to achieve the wow factor.
Post 2013, worlds aren't fascinating anymore, they really don't matter anymore, after skyrim, bioshock infinite, the last of us, people don't give a s about the stuff they see from a distance, they aren't mysterious and gorgeous anymore, instead, game scenes actually became consumed more often than ever, you see big areas but there isn't much to do there, the environment isn't rich as it used to be.
8th, 9th Gen, the maps are getting smaller
like many jrpgs and some old ips like halo, the areas used to be bigger but they aren't anyone, I'm not an engineer but I can tell there's a clear difference.
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
This place might be casually mainstream, but it's a lot better than places like Gamefaqs, where posters fight and hate over the smallest of details. GF peeps are also very entitled and political. Eww.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
You forgot a type, OP:
Kira - Generally dislikes woke or agenda driven stuff, but is generally very devil may care about things, to the point of interacting with topics that he doesn't care or know much about, because the sense of community inherent in looking at something that someone worked stupid hard on (hahahaha) for years and dismantling it in forty seconds with stupid gifs, memes, and vitriol much too intense for the subject matter is just...alpha and omega.
Kira - Generally dislikes woke or agenda driven stuff, but is generally very devil may care about things, to the point of interacting with topics that he doesn't care or know much about, because the sense of community inherent in looking at something that someone worked stupid hard on (hahahaha) for years and dismantling it in forty seconds with stupid gifs, memes, and vitriol much too intense for the subject matter is just...alpha and omega.
Marvel14
Banned
No its not...the category for having a different opinion isnt even in the poll.
Just because you "feel" something doesn't make it true. Just because I am criticising the extreme of something doesnt mean i am criticising it's moderate counterpart.
You can have all the fun you like turning "why do people shit on games people praise?" Into " this a-hole says I am not allowed to have a differing opion to the mainstream" but it's pretty obvious that you're doing a dishonest strawman.
Why are you doing it? Maybe you're a shitter trying to cover their shit, maybe you just want to argue...who knows? But it's pretty transparent what you're up to....
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
This. Is bullshit.
Similar to capitalism, GAF generally shares the free market - but not of industry, of opinions. No one here gets banned for opinions. No one gets banned for not hoisting the party flag, or for dismissing nuclear threats, or for junior accounts. If this place is an echo chamber, then that's because a proportionally large number of users here ARE here because they want a forum where you can actually discuss things rather than reiterating the first two posts because that's the only opinion you're allowed to have by the ToS.
If you have an issue with the makeup of GAF members, get some like minded friends to join. Nothing is stopping you or others from sharing your point of view. Not bans or moderation. If you feel like you can't share your opinion because you won't get any ass pats and GG from a room of rainbow hair colored peers, well then....that might speak more to the actual substance of your arguments and less to the mean, mean people with their totalitarian pass time of...speaking their mind on a discussion forum.
Killer8
Member
I mentioned in the Starfield review thread that i've noticed there is a jadedness to Western gamers that isn't as present in other gamers around the world. I suppose there is an understandable level of cynicism caused by some of the worst parts of the industry, but it's so pervasive that you get the impression that people just hate the hobby more than they love it. Or maybe so many people are just clinically depressed and they couldn't get enjoyment from even the greatest thing ever being placed in front of their noses. I think my hunch is no more evident than the huge percentage of terminally online people who often proclaim that "gaming is shit now" - despite a large number of excellent AAA games still releasing, a strong indie scene filling in the gaps, many up-and-coming developers, and retro gaming being better and more accessible than ever. This is probably a lengthy post to say "touch grass", but there really is no other way to succinctly put it. If you hate the hobby so much get the fuck out of it, while i'll carry on enjoying games as much as I did 20 years ago.
Marvel14
Banned
Guy, what are you talking about? Very little is objective in art. So, how you "feel" about things makes them true FOR YOU, no matter what sort of corny ass labels you wanna put on people for disagreeing w you or the majority. So FF16 boring af side quests is a valid criticism FOR ME and anyone else who feels the same. Thats how this works.
A dishonest strawman? How so? The enter premise of this thread is labelling people who "shit" on well reviewed games. I see it as you going through a big struggle understanding people can have differing opinions on art like my FF16 example. Nothing dishonest, pretty straight forward.
Vol5
Member
After the HALO Infinite industry reviews gushing about it and it's GOTY I think it's absolutely fine to criticise what seems to be another over-promised, under-delivered game. Honestly, I think reviewers are being kind to it - It's got issues and isn't what we were led to believe it was.
Let's see how this post fairs after Steam user reviews start dropping.
Let's see how this post fairs after Steam user reviews start dropping.
K2D
Banned
Your post made it sound like OP made the implication that reviews have no bias or agendas and are impartial.
The confusion stems from whether you disagree and if so do you have an examples of that.
sendit
Member
This isn’t a Xbox problem. This holds true for any exclusive, regardless of platform.
Marvel14
Banned
Shitting and criticising are not the same thing. One is making a valid assessment the other has a dishonest agenda to bring things down that the mainstream likes.
Take a look at this video of Siskel and Ebert defending Star Wars from another jaded critic. You can tell the critic is shitting because he sees no redeeming quality in the film. And Siskel and Ebert are also not calling it the greatest movie of all time either- legit criticism is nuanced and thoughtful. Shitting is not.
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cash_longfellow
Gold Member
Idk…maybe because some people actually have their own opinions of games that contradict the review score 
Setsuna Mudou
Member
As I explained before, using the reviews by those outlets as some kind of shield to protect the game from criticism is my objection to the premise. It's kind of in the title of the thread, just look at it.
"Why do people shit on well reviewed games?"
Why wouldn't they?
If there was no implication that there's somehow something wrong with the criticism, this thread just wouldn't exist at all
I literally already showed you how they can be the same thing. So let me repeat it for you. I can say FF16 side quests are booooooooooooooooooring and redundant. You can interpret that as "shitting", yet myself and possibly/probably some other can see it as valid criticism.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Only problem with that, is when "own opinions" are uninformed because they haven't played through the game yet. At that point people look through media and cherry pick alleged issues that align with their own pre-conceived notions.Idk…maybe because some people actually have their own opinions of games that contradict the review score
That's why I'll question a review, and then play the game and see if I agree with something they say, or not. If I'm not interested in playing the game in the first place, I'll not stick my nose up in the game's business to begin with.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
It's all rooted in console warring bullshit.
Third party games are far less scrutinized than exclusives. I wonder why?
Third party games are far less scrutinized than exclusives. I wonder why?
K2D
Banned
I think we are ultimately in agreement.As I explained before, using the reviews by those outlets as some kind of shield to protect the game from criticism is my objection to the premise. It's kind of in the title of the thread, just look at it.
"Why do people shit on well reviewed games?"
Why wouldn't they?
If there was no implication that there's somehow something wrong with the criticism, this thread just wouldn't exist at all
This is all a well conducted symphony between publishers blacklisting review sites, withholding review codes, late embargos, and:
media sites inflating review scores for reasons you'd be banned on the purple place for mentioning.
All to achieve a high metacritic/open critic score on launch day.
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Cool to see gamer.no site being consistent with their review scores by the way (I believe they gave BotW a 6/10)..!
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Xenon
Member
If you are posting negative posts in a thread about a game, you don't own and have no intention of buying more than once or twice. You're just being an asshole.
Seems like such a waste of time and I would say this type of crap is much worse than systems wars bullshit. Even though most of the time it is related.
Seems like such a waste of time and I would say this type of crap is much worse than systems wars bullshit. Even though most of the time it is related.
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anthraticus
Banned
Someine inform op 'ganing journalism' and reviews, etc...have been a running joke for a looong time now.
Talk about having your head in the sand...lol
Talk about having your head in the sand...lol
Sleepwalker
Member
Marvel14
Banned
You are well within your rights to call something boring and redundant. But you should explain why you think so....otherwise its just driveby throwaway shitting.
Not sure if you mean the person you're replying to or in genereal but I think the person you replied to agrees with you. His/her point was that GAF is a place where people share their opinions freely without having to conform or fear getting banned but some certain members are trying hard to make some opinions taboo here too like some other places.
As long as people share their opinions in a respectful way I don't see why anybody should be upset about a game getting criticism or fear a ban. Say the best rated game is really bad, say the worst rated game is the best ever, as long as people do that respectfully and can discuss things logically there's absolutely no problem.
cash_longfellow
Gold Member
This I agree with! I would never actually bash a game opposite of review scores unless I personally played the game.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Tribalism is a part of human nature.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
So are a lot of other negative things that aren't accepted in society or communities.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Today I learned that tribalism isn't accepted in society or communities.
StylishMGTOW
Member
People who look externally for opinions on anything, will never be satisfied. To all of this, I say who cares. Just enjoy games and if Starfield gets an 7-8, if you were anticipating the game, buy it!
I'll just wait for the eventual PS5 release. =D
I'll just wait for the eventual PS5 release. =D
TheGodfather07
Member
I think in starfields case it's a bit of fanboyism and genuine disappointment. The lack of actual space exploration and the amount of loading, copy paste content and boring repetitive procedually generated content are genuine negatives. That's why the game hasn't hit the 90s on metacritic.
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TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
"Right kind of tribalism" isn't tribalism,Don't worry, there's a lot of people who feel that way.
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