Tommie Hu$tle
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Just got the mail from blizzard. Any suggestions from the player out there now?
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Cerebral Palsy
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Slick_Advanced said:
Drop dead.
JackFrost2012
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Post in the quasi-official thread!
sell it for $300 and go on a vacation.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4596&item=8113624126&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4596&item=8113624126&rd=1
DJ Demon J
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thorns said:
Thanks for the tip! *fires anti-piracy missile*
DJ Demon J
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Slo said:
Wow, you own Blizzard's Intellectual Property in its pre-retail form? *checks US Copyright Database* Hmm, don't see an entry under "Slo." ::rolleyes
The End-User License Agreement that you must agree to when you install and each time you run the beta has a very specific section barring the sale of Blizzard's IP (not to mention federal *non-DMCA, for those consumer activists in the audience* copyright laws which bar such activity).
Is it in the GAF terms of service that people have to be pompous and condecending when answering a question?
DJ: But the user isn't actually selling the source code, he's selling his spot in the beta. That's like sellling tickets to a baseball game. You're not selling the a piece of the stadium. You're not selling seat 48F and the ground it rests upon. You're selling your right to admittance.
But I'm no lawyer. Maybe there's fancy language in the ToS that makes this different. What I know for a fact is that this guy isn't selling a set of C-source modules to the highest bidder.
DJ: But the user isn't actually selling the source code, he's selling his spot in the beta. That's like sellling tickets to a baseball game. You're not selling the a piece of the stadium. You're not selling seat 48F and the ground it rests upon. You're selling your right to admittance.
But I'm no lawyer. Maybe there's fancy language in the ToS that makes this different. What I know for a fact is that this guy isn't selling a set of C-source modules to the highest bidder.
Slo,
IP rights don't work that way. The owner of the intellectual property can do whatever they want with the product. Based on the EULA (End User License Agreement), the beta tester, even when they signed up for a beta but never played, Blizzard and company can sue, if they choose to do so. If you break the agreement, then they can go after you.
Break the deal, face the wheel.
IP rights don't work that way. The owner of the intellectual property can do whatever they want with the product. Based on the EULA (End User License Agreement), the beta tester, even when they signed up for a beta but never played, Blizzard and company can sue, if they choose to do so. If you break the agreement, then they can go after you.
Break the deal, face the wheel.
JackFrost2012
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Slo said:
The difference is that those tickets can be used by anyone, whereas Blizzard has chosen to let YOU into the Beta - not just anyone, but you, because of your background, PC specs, what have you. The agreement is that Blizzard lets YOU into the beta and that YOU give Blizzard feedback, not that Blizzard gives a free slot in the beta to you for you to do as you please with.
DJ Demon J
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Slo said:
Sorry, but I get upset every time someone bitches about not being able to profit from someone else's work. The beta won't let me cut and paste the text of the EULA, so I'll look and see if it's in a readme file. And as to your ticket comparison, many event tickets have language on them (and legal protection) from people attempting to re-sell them. A great example are E3 show tickets. Ever hear the phrase "Non-Transferrable?"
JackFrost2012
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DJ Demon J said:
A lot of places also have anti-scalping laws; you can't sell the tickets for more than face value. Since you got in the Beta for free good luck with that!
Well, if that's how it is, then that's how it is. I've got no place to argue legalities. I do feel that it is stupid though. The "crime" is truely victimless. Blizzard loses nothing, and they still get a tester. The guy who doesn't want to be in the beta is happy, and the guy who paid to be in the beta is as well.
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Many times, beta testers are part of warez groups and will pass out the beta to their 1337 friends for their gaming/hacking/cracking pleasure. By shutting down auctions like this it assures that fewer and fewer n00bs get ahold of the game and go fuck with it, which means, Blizzard makes a little bit more money in the future and can release a better game later on. Less $$$ for Blizzard, less likelihood of a better game. Same goes for smaller developers/publishers. We've seen several companies outright die from piracy. That's not cool, IMO.
JackFrost2012
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Slo said:
Once again: they don't want "a" tester. They want THE TESTER THEY SELECTED TO BE IN THE BETA. There's a reason the beta is closed, not open - they are trying to garner as much information from a certain subset of gamers, not just a certain aggregate number.
Blizzard loses the known quantity they selected and gets some random yahoo - a yahoo who paid more than $300 to get in the beta and thus is going to have a VERY different attitude towards playing an unfinished game than those who got in fairly and freely.
So Blizzard does lose, and that's why they're serious about enforcing their EULA.
JackFrost2012
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Slo said:
All parties involved except for Blizzard, sure. So ... half the parties involved.
JackFrost2012
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Slo said:
Okay, I think I figured out my argument.
BECAUSE.
THE.
ACCOUNTS.
ARE.
NOT.
RANDOMLY.
CHOSEN.
JackFrost2012
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Slo said:Easy, friend. We're arguing about a videogame on an internet message board.
So now that you've been proven wrong, you're moving on to ad hominem attacks? ;P
Proven wrong about what? The legality or the impack? I'm not argueing legality, I'm argueing impact, and you've proven nothing concerning that. If you think Blizzard actually read hundreds of thousands of Beta applications, reviewed each one, and narrowed the field to a mere 20,000 qualified applicants then you're a damn fool. Don't be so naive, they'd have to outsource the entire country of India to pull that off. At best, they used an algorithm that would chose testers at random and give them a good cross section of system configurations that they want to test on.
So I ask again: if Blizzard randomly chose a beta tester that doesn't really want to play the game, how are they better off if that account sits idle rather then be used by someone? Legality asside, how are they DAMAGED by it?
So I ask again: if Blizzard randomly chose a beta tester that doesn't really want to play the game, how are they better off if that account sits idle rather then be used by someone? Legality asside, how are they DAMAGED by it?
JackFrost2012
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akascream said:
This has nothing to do with me being in the beta and other not. I am just fucking sick and tired of seeing people on message boards use "BUT I WANT IT" as a legal argument. I'm sorry if you're not in the beta but that doesn't mean that buying an account on eBay, impersonating your friend, intercepting someone's email, etc. are acceptable behaviors. The law is not going to be rewritten because you really want to play the game NOW!!! and I'm sorry if pointing out that the universe does not revolve around your greedy whims is pissing in your Cheerios. In a few months there will be an open beta and soon thereafter the game will be widely available in stores for money.
Until that point BLIZZARD OWES YOU NOTHING.
JackFrost2012
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Slo said:
That's all I was saying: that they used an algorithm that would chose testers at random and give them a good cross section of system configurations that they want to test on.
Obviously, someone else is not you, so when they get your account, you're undermining the effectiveness of Blizzard's algorithm. Of course you can argue, "just one account doesn't hurt!" but that's the same philosophy people use for littering, picking flowers in public places, shoplifting, etc. You are putting your own selfish desires ahead of other people. You are not special.
The rest of your argument is just sour grapes, so I'm not going to bother addressing it. It's clear you want to play the game and I hope you get a chance to soon. And with that I am leaving this stupid-ass thread.
JackFrost2012
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akascream said:
$0.00.
JackFrost2012
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For fuck's sake, I don't fucking care if you fucking buy an account on eBay or not. I am not a fucking tattletale and I don't give a fuck.
I'm just saying that it's Blizzard's call, NOT YOURS, to say if it's legal or not. They say not. THAT'S MY POINT. End of story.
I'm just saying that it's Blizzard's call, NOT YOURS, to say if it's legal or not. They say not. THAT'S MY POINT. End of story.
Tommie Hu$tle
Member
Regardless, I'm still in suckers!
Tommie Hu$tle
Member
D'oh! Sorry to bother you I guess I'll just go back to playing WoW
Tommie Hu$tle
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-1 Slo
From the Beta Test Agreement
From the Beta Test Agreement
Open beta = probably about the time they adjust the level cap to 60 and have tested all of the basic classes in the game.
I might as well weigh in with some of the stuff I've heard from various Blizzard staff in the game.
The much-vaunted Hero system is still planned, but it's planned for after you reach level 60. As far as I know, the intent is for you to go on a massive quest at this point, and upon completion, you will be changed from your class into a hero specific to that race/class combination (possibly even to gender, although I'm not sure). It's also worth noting that changing into a hero class is supposed to reset your level to 1 (I don't know if that means you'd be completely reset or not though).
The next major phase of beta that they're going to do will raise the level cap to 55, open up about 3 new zones and possibly a couple of more instance dungeons, and unlock the Hunter class. I don't know when they plan to do linked instances (instances where multiple groups can enter) or PVP battlegrounds (also instanced, but these are big maps specifically designed for PVP... and hopefully more satisfying than the regular PVP game. I've heard they will include some cool scripted sequences, and they're throwing around the idea of some usableWarcraft vehicles in there as well).
There are at least 2 more qualities of weapons intended to be added to the game. Right now item quality goes from gray (horrible, vendor junk) to purple (legendary). I don't quite know what they're intending to call the even better equipment, but purple items are already really powerful, so I'd imagine even better quality items would be, well, insane on the level of some of Diablo 2's uniques with a million mods.
I might as well weigh in with some of the stuff I've heard from various Blizzard staff in the game.
The much-vaunted Hero system is still planned, but it's planned for after you reach level 60. As far as I know, the intent is for you to go on a massive quest at this point, and upon completion, you will be changed from your class into a hero specific to that race/class combination (possibly even to gender, although I'm not sure). It's also worth noting that changing into a hero class is supposed to reset your level to 1 (I don't know if that means you'd be completely reset or not though).
The next major phase of beta that they're going to do will raise the level cap to 55, open up about 3 new zones and possibly a couple of more instance dungeons, and unlock the Hunter class. I don't know when they plan to do linked instances (instances where multiple groups can enter) or PVP battlegrounds (also instanced, but these are big maps specifically designed for PVP... and hopefully more satisfying than the regular PVP game. I've heard they will include some cool scripted sequences, and they're throwing around the idea of some usableWarcraft vehicles in there as well).
There are at least 2 more qualities of weapons intended to be added to the game. Right now item quality goes from gray (horrible, vendor junk) to purple (legendary). I don't quite know what they're intending to call the even better equipment, but purple items are already really powerful, so I'd imagine even better quality items would be, well, insane on the level of some of Diablo 2's uniques with a million mods.