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Star Wars Rebels, New Animated Series coming Fall 2014

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PhantomOfTheKnight

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DF: We have an incredibly talented group of writers working on “Rebels”; some are names you might recognize from working previously on “Star Wars,” and I think we have a nice mix of live action and animation writers. Just looking at the executive producing level, between Simon Kinberg and Greg Wiesman we have two incredibly experienced writers from both live action and animation. Throw in my experience writing and directing with George and I think fans will be really excited when they see the results.
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But... but I thought Disney hated Greg Wiesman!
 
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Mutanthands

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DiipuSurotu said:
But Imperial officers didn't even believe in the Force in Episode IV, calling it ancient religion.
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Hence the mention of the EU. This is an extended universe project, which can easily be ignored if you want to be a purist about it. I'll wait to see it in motion for an episode or two before passing judgement.
 
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Darklord said:
That all looks really awesome until...



Oh...yay. More excuses to stick a sith in somewhere. You know, cause that's what made the original trilogy so popular. All those dozens of Jedi and Sith.
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Exactly. They already have one of the greatest villains in film history, yet still feel the need to drop in some wannabe Sith.

There will be Jedi all over the place too, I'm sure.

This show was so close to being awesome.
 
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Data West

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Tobor said:
Exactly. They already have one of the greatest villains in film history, yet still feel the need to drop in some wannabe Sith.

There will be Jedi all over the place too, I'm sure.

This show was so close to being awesome.
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It's the problem with everything outside of the original trilogy, even PRECIOUS Clone Wars cartoon which I think's real overrated. It's the fact that Star Wars can't go one scene without lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber,
 
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Dragonzord said:
It's the problem with everything outside of the original trilogy, even PRECIOUS Clone Wars cartoon which I think's real overrated. It's the fact that Star Wars can't go one scene without lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber,
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Sad but true. It's one of Lucas's main failures. The lightsaber is best in the OT. A super rare weapon that no one knows how to use anymore. As kids, of course we wanted more, but the secret to good fiction is to always keep the audience wanting more.

You've already got Vader in this show. He's the guy who would be tracking down any remaining Jedi. He's the inquisitor. At the beginning of ANH, Vader is personally leading the mission to recover the Death Star plans. He hires bounty hunters to track people down, and it's clear he's done it before. Show us that! How is that not awesome enough to base a show on?
 
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DiipuSurotu said:
But Imperial officers didn't even believe in the Force in Episode IV, calling it ancient religion.
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And? Vader was with the empire for over 2 decades going around kicking ass and force chocking imperial officers left and right yet they still called it an ancient religion.

This is set years before episode IV, and really you have to remember that it's a huge galaxy, billions of Imperials and one inquisitor or force user doing special missions, how many Imps are going to see any magical force being used? It's like Warhammer 40k lore, in how majority of Imperials have never seen a Space Marine despite them being the most prominent face of that universe.

Tobor said:
Exactly. They already have one of the greatest villains in film history, yet still feel the need to drop in some wannabe Sith.

There will be Jedi all over the place too, I'm sure.

This show was so close to being awesome.
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It seems they want to stay away from using established character (thank god) and are focusing on new characters in their own setting. I don't see this as a problem at all, the biggest problem that the extended material has had was it's focus on sticking in established characters into every situation, and often fucking it up. Best material being the stuff involving all new original characters in unrelated stories.

You have years of timeline and a huge galaxy of options, and your going to have it always focus on the same main characters from the movies? Touching on established characters from the movies is always touchy subject with fans as they are picky on what you do with them, and you tie your hands with continuity and your storytelling. Using new characters and settings frees up the possibilities for the show immensely.

Dragonzord said:
It's the problem with everything outside of the original trilogy, even PRECIOUS Clone Wars cartoon which I think's real overrated. It's the fact that Star Wars can't go one scene without lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber, lightsaber,
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Probably more than half the episodes of the Clone Wars didn't involve a single lightsaber.
 
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Doublesith

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The problem with using Vader as the main antagonist in a TV series is you have to keep coming up with ways for him to fail, which would de-fang him pretty quickly.

Now, a movie or series with Vader as a protagonist could work, but I don't think that's the tone LFL or DIsney is looking for in an animated series ariring on Disney XD. And that's perfectly ok - not every SW product has to appeal to every single part of the fanbase.

1313 and the live action series both looked like they would feature pretty much zero lightsabers, and plenty of people bitched about that as well.
 
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The colour smoothness on the guy's face reminds me a lot of the computer animation they used in the Green Lantern cartoon.
 
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Snaku

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Doublesith said:
The problem with using Vader as the main antagonist in a TV series is you have to keep coming up with ways for him to fail, which would de-fang him pretty quickly.
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Eh, not necessarily. He can be used sparingly in a command role where his subordinates are the ones that fail film, and are severely punished. Then only have him confront the protagonist during major plot points and during the season finale. Hmm, this is sounding familiar....
 
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Doublesith

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New interview with Simon Kinberg:

How will this look or feel different from Clone Wars?
It will look quite different. The intention of what I’ve seen so afar, and we’re pretty far down the line, the intention is for it to feel quite different from Clone Wars. The place we went back to as to a visual template was Ralph McQuarrie, who was one of the original concept artists for the original Star Wars films. His art is softer, a little more figurative, more of a feel of being drawn, less computer generated. The first few movies had a bit of a hand-made quality. We wanted the show to have that. There’s also in the archives where [creator George] Lucas keeps all the original art and props, there’s tons of art that’s McQuarrie’s musing on the Star Wars universe that was never used in the films. There’s places where we’ve quite literally taken world-creation or vehicles or creatures from his original art that was never used in the films and made that part of show.

That’s fantastic. What about story-telling differences? How dark can you go on Disney XD?
We haven’t talked in those terms. But the world we’re creating is an Imperial world. You’re seeing the impact of the Empire, of stormtroopers around the galaxy, abusing and oppressing people. Thematically and politically, it goes to some dark places. But for the tone of the show we took our cues from the original movies, which had fun and adventure and swashbuckling with emotion and grounded human characters. We took all our cues from the original films. Obviously there are slight tonal differences between New Hope, Empire and Jedi. But I think the closest intended voice of the show is A New Hope. So there are places where we get into darker backstories, there are places we see how cruel and malevolent the Empire can be, but for the most part it’s a fun and character-driven story. Again taking our cues from the original films, it’s less maybe political than the prequels and more personal. It starts with a few character introductions that will precede the show. I wrote the first two episodes, they’re like a one-hour story across two episodes where we introduce the main characters in the show.

You’ve created a new villain, the Inquisitor, what makes him special?
That was probably the most daunting part of this process. George obviously created the best villain of our time. So we spent a lot of time brainstorming and working with the artists to come up with the Inquisitor. You’ve seen that image of him. We wanted somebody terrifying, a nightmare character for a kid but not somebody too foreign, too creature-ly. We didn’t want him to have a helmet for obvious reasons — the comparison [to Darth Vader]. We talked about a character who was cold and calculating and could tap into people’s emotional weaknesses as much as their physical weaknesses, and had a specific relationship to Jedi and the ways of the force. He would be somebody that the remaining Jedi would be especially scared of.

Will you include characters from the expanded universes, like Admiral Thrawn, or just the films and your own creations?
We have characters from all the different parts of the universe. One of the awesome resources is Pablo Hidalgo he’s the resident Star Wars genius and he knows everything of every possible word or image that was created for Star Wars. So we utilize him a lot and he’s very integrated into the process. He will say there’s a cool cantina in this comic book from 1994, or a cool creature that not all of us know. He will bring that stuff to us. Or we’ll task him we’re trying to create a muscle for this villain with a cool backstory. Sometimes it will be a character or a planet we don’t know about. Instead of being just an Easter egg, sometimes it will turn into an a whole episode.

Is Darth Vader and the Emperor in the show? And if so is any possibility of the original voice talent being used?
I don’t think I’m allowed to answer that. I can say that wherever possible we would want to use the original talent.
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Darklord

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The place we went back to as to a visual template was Ralph McQuarrie
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The first few movies had a bit of a hand-made quality. We wanted the show to have that. There’s also in the archives where [creator George] Lucas keeps all the original art and props, there’s tons of art that’s McQuarrie’s musing on the Star Wars universe that was never used in the films.
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Already better than the prequels.
 
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DiipuSurotu

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How will this look or feel different from Clone Wars?
It will look quite different. The intention of what I’ve seen so afar, and we’re pretty far down the line, the intention is for it to feel quite different from Clone Wars. The place we went back to as to a visual template was Ralph McQuarrie, who was one of the original concept artists for the original Star Wars films. His art is softer, a little more figurative, more of a feel of being drawn, less computer generated. The first few movies had a bit of a hand-made quality. We wanted the show to have that.
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I don't see it.

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Marketing in the form of Propaganda seems to be dropping all over Facebook.

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Also from Lego leaks of the main ships mini figs, it appears one of the Twilik characters is related to a character seen first in the Clone Wars series. So good chance we will see lot of little connections to TCW
 
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Cheebo said:
That show is long dead. He officially got hired by Lucasfilm, full time employee at Lucasfilm Animation now. His days over at WB are over.
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heres hoping he can have a series that can at least last 3 seasons
 
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XAL

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raviolico said:
better pic. guy looks like a lovechild of Darth Maul and Kratos.

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Yuck at that character design.

Soooo...does this mean that Starkiller is going to be scrubbed from existence?

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I fully support scrapping large chunks of TFU2, but when TFU1 came out - to me it was the best thing to happen to star wars in a long time.
 
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BattleMonkey

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TFU 1 & 2 were simply EU either way, they were never part of the movie canon. But Pablo Hidalgo recently tweeted and confirmed that TFU is not canon.
 
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Rafa=FedKilla

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We should be getting some peeks at the characters suring the Ny Toy Fair, right? I hate the current size of the figures though. So tiny, not much bigger than Lego mini figs...
 
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I'm a pretty big SW fan but I could never get into Clone Wars because of the horrible character design and "look" of the series. It was just a huge turn-off for me. Everything about this new series sounds great but then I see the pics and I'm afraid I won't be watching this either.
 
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BattleMonkey

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They changed the design of the lightsaber to not be a full ring like shown in the promo image and early toy pic. It now is more like a finger guard, essentially only half a ring now.
 
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Perfect Cha0s

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Hopefully the presentation quality shoots up as we get closer to the beginning of the first season. I'm optimistic that it will, but that shot of Kanan and the still with Kanan and the Inquisitor just looks bland and cheap, IMO.

I know some people didn't dig the art style, but the level of polish and detail in The Clone Wars' CGI was nothing short of amazing considering it was ~130 episode TV series.
 
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BattleMonkey said:
Clone Wars even later seasons didn't look great either in stills. Lot of these don't look like they're from the show itself though.
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Yeah, I have no doubt it will get better. I just wonder if the flat look to the textures is an intentional artistic decision, or if it's simply a symptom of a work-in-progress CGI show. Clone Wars had a very painted look in terms of the environment and character textures, which I think helped the look of the show dramatically.
 
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SoilBreak

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Perfect Cha0s said:
Yeah, I have no doubt it will get better. I just wonder if the flat look to the textures is an intentional artistic decision, or if it's simply a symptom of a work-in-progress CGI show. Clone Wars had a very painted look in terms of the environment and character textures, which I think helped the look of the show dramatically.
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It has to be work-in-progress. Especially the other images of the character look a little bit better. This show is premiering later this year, right?
 
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Anticitizen One

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so stupid that they are loading this show up with force users. I thought the whole story was that Vader wiped out the Jedi Knights and there was only a small handful of force users left in the galaxy now this new cartoon is introducing more when they could have just used existing characters (like what is the point of the Sith Inquisitor when you can use Darth Vader??). Show would have been way better if it follows normal people's adventures in the universe like pilots, smugglers, mercs, explorers, diplomats, etc. instead of just rehashing the super hero jedi stuff from the prequels.

BTW this jedi and his backstory is a total ripoff of Cade Skywalker.
 
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Anticitizen One said:
so stupid that they are loading this show up with force users. I thought the whole story was that Vader wiped out the Jedi Knights and there was only a small handful of force users left in the galaxy now this new cartoon is introducing more when they could have just used existing characters (like what is the point of the Sith Inquisitor when you can use Darth Vader??). Show would have been way better if it follows normal people's adventures in the universe like pilots, smugglers, mercs, explorers, diplomats, etc. instead of just rehashing the super hero jedi stuff from the prequels.

BTW this jedi and his backstory is a total ripoff of Cade Skywalker.
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Absolutely right. Every time a new Jedi is introduced, primarily between Episodes III and IV, the universe is diluted a little bit. We've already got so sooooo much content around Jedi and lightsabers. It's so. damn. tiring. Let it be. Between Ep. III and IV should be a time for smuggling, subterfuge, rag-tag blasting and high jinks across the Wild West of the galaxy.
 
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Anticitizen One said:
so stupid that they are loading this show up with force users. I thought the whole story was that Vader wiped out the Jedi Knights and there was only a small handful of force users left in the galaxy now this new cartoon is introducing more when they could have just used existing characters (like what is the point of the Sith Inquisitor when you can use Darth Vader??). Show would have been way better if it follows normal people's adventures in the universe like pilots, smugglers, mercs, explorers, diplomats, etc. instead of just rehashing the super hero jedi stuff from the prequels.

BTW this jedi and his backstory is a total ripoff of Cade Skywalker.
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Inquisitor is not a sith, just like Ventress who wasn't either. The idea of Imperial Inquisitors has been around in the EU for a long time.

They needed to create a villain for the show, they couldn't use Vader. The show is not an anthology galaxy spanning series like the clone wars, its focused on a more linear storyline with recurring cast and characters. They can't have Darth Vader chasing the cast each week and failing like some episode of Dukes of Hazard. So they had to create a new villain to be the shows menace. Its an Empire of millions of world's , Vader can't be in a single place chasing the same cast for multiple years of a TV show

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Absolutely right. Every time a new Jedi is introduced, primarily between Episodes III and IV, the universe is diluted a little bit. We've already got so sooooo much content around Jedi and lightsabers. It's so. damn. tiring. Let it be. Between Ep. III and IV should be a time for smuggling, subterfuge, rag-tag blasting and high jinks across the Wild West of the galaxy.
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What Jedi are you talking about? Nothing in the books, comics, or video games is canon. This would be the first canon Jedi between trilogies.
 
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Toparaman

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I guess the writing might be good, but I'm not really interested in a Star Wars show with that art style. (Obviously it's not for people my age anyway, though.)
 
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