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2014 FIFA World Cup Final |OT| Germany defeats Argentina 1-0 after extra time
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2 girls no cup.
gutter_trash
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Paulo Bento is too stubborn to resign on his own, we are stuck with him for another 4 years,
Boogalogist
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Wow. Classy. Have they done anything like this before? (building their own place before WC)
gutter_trash
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Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Cool stuff
Ganzlinger
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It's difficult to predict. But here in Brazil all the media are trying now to point the young players for the future since it's something Brazil needs to do after this huge failure. Some "forgotten" Brazlian players under 25 that I'd give a chance
Goalkeepers:
Norberto Neto (Fiorentina-ITA) - 24
Rafael Cabral (Napoli-ITA) - 24
Gabriel (AC Milan-ITA) - 21
Defenders:
Marquinhos (PSG-FRA) - 20
Mateus Dória (Botafogo) - 19
Mario Fernandes (CSKA-RUS) - 23
Juan Jesus (Internazionale-ITA) - 23
Manoel (Cruzeiro) - 24
Midfielders:
Lucas Silva (Cruzeiro) - 21
Philippe Coutinho (Liverpool-ENG) - 22
Everton Ribeiro (Cruzeiro) - 24
Lucas Piazon (Chelsea-ENG) - 20
Ricardo Goulart (Cruzeiro) - 23
Jorginho (Napoli-ITA) - 22
Forwards:
Roberto Firmino (Hoffenheim-GER) - 22
Walter (Fluminense) - 24
Alexandre Pato (São Paulo) - 24
Ganzlinger
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Robbed.
LiquidMetal14
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Not a shock.
Yeah what happened to him? I remember in 2009/2010 he was supposed to be the next big thing. Dude was worth 35-40 mil back then. Then he just disappeared.
TheOctodad
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Yes FedEx should dry clean it before they deliver it.
It literally just come in the mail (wadded up in my mailbox I might add).
jamesinclair
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Figure the games being around five hours earlier.
So 7am, 10am and 1pm for the group stage.
Eastern, so three hours earlier in California.
Maybe they'll throw in a special 4pm game like they did for a single Japan game.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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Me please!!!!
Ganzlinger
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His career went down mostly due to injuries which stopped when he came back to Brazil. Even being a substitute from Paolo Guerrero for the most part of last season he managed to be Corinthians's season top scorer with 18 goals.
The problem was the manager Tite didn't want to play both at the same squad, like Van Gaal doesn't want to play with Van Persie and Huntelaar. And Guerrero was already a hero in Corinthians, as he scored the winning goal against Chelsea for Corinthians. He was Tite's favorite. Pato almost never played full matches but he still scored more (18 against 17 from the Peruvian). In that situation, it was difficult to be in the National Squad. Though, he was called three times by Scolari in 2013 and scored one goal.
Now in São Paulo he is playing as a winger as Luis Fabiano is the central forward. He is doing more assists than goals but he is always in the starting team. He was voted the best player of the first fixture of the Brasileirão this year.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Yes FedEx should dry clean it before they deliver it.
It literally just come in the mail (wadded up in my mailbox I might add).
It's nice but you're going to want the 4 star kit but until then, 3 star ghetto for you.
TheOctodad
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Nah, most Americans don't even know what the stars mean.
I bought it before the hype because I believed in them. I'm proud of that.
Tragicomedy
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That is very impressive and makes them an even more deserving winner. Except for Pig Climber, they're all pure class. Much respect to the team.
LiquidMetal14
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gutter_trash
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long way to go to get to 50 stars
Bam Bam Baklava
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How long until parade time?
Maninthemirror
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...l-messi-announced-for-cover-of-new-video-game
Ea announces Messi as cover player for FIFA 15
Ea announces Messi as cover player for FIFA 15
figadapaura
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I preferred it when they had multiple people on the cover. Was good days.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Every god damn year. Not just that but they give him the best overall rating in the game even though anyone who plays the game knows Ronaldo is better.
Maninthemirror
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Dp sorry
There are a lot of choice words that I will be keeping to myself regarding the FIFA series in general, and I don't even play PES.
Fuck EA. That's all.
Vocal Orgasmizzle
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I don't think he should. The team is young and have overperformed with him aside from the Germany game. If he sticks around and works with the team they would improve more.
Shit. I finally got that.
TheKaeptain
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Hi WC-GAF, it's my first post in this thread since I was away following my team, Argentina, around Brazil and I'd like to share a few things:
First of all, congrats to Germany (I still hate you though).
While you do have a great team, players, etc I feel that Germany can play the way they do because you have several players in the same team, playing every week which means they know each other very well. If you add some excellent players from other top teams then you have the champion in the making. In my opinion, this is the greatest advantage powerful European countries have and we in South America can not replicate. All our players are scattered in many teams and get together to play 2 games during the qualification play-offs every few months.
Even though Germany was probably the team that played the best during the whole tournament (at least had 2 great games), I'd say that during the final they were not better than Argentina. I'm sure many will disagree but that's what I saw in the stadium which I believe is the best way to see the how both teams are standing on the field and the tactics they use.
While they did have more ball possession, the german team didn't make too much damage. Argentina was well organized. I could say the game could have gone our way, but our lack of accuracy was our doom. We had 3 clear chances to score but we didn't and since all 3 missed the goal they do not show up in the statistics (so it doesn't show the full picture). Once in extra time, we had no legs and the semifinal took it's toll on us.
Unfortunately, our offense did not have a great world cup, especially Aguero, Higuain (only played 1 good game) and Palacio (LA CONCHA DE TU HERMANA).
While many said we play like shit during the WC I beg to differ. Yes, during the group stage we didn't play as a team and relied only on Messi pulling tricks but once in the round of 16 I saw a team much more disciplined and organized on the field. Nowhere were we as bad as against Iran and we nullified the other teams we played against, a clear example being Belgium, which resorted to sending the ball near the box for Fellaini to head it to another player and with Holland we didn't let them counter-attack easily like they did before.
Yesterday I was left the stadium I had a mixture of anger and impotency, knowing we had it but we didn't take advantage of the rival's mistakes.
Today I'm feeling sad and empty. I went to Germany 2006, South Africa 2010 and Brazil 2014 and this could have been it. But the story is always the same, when we were playing better than the other teams we lost (2006), when we had Messi in top shape our coach was Maradona and while he was the greatest player, he knows shit about tactics or can not translate that to his players.
I feel bad for Mascherano who I don't know if he'll get another chance and I really wanted Messi to win so that people that criticize him for whatever reason would stop talking. And since yesterday's game was not his best, it will be more fuel to the fire. Was Messi the best player of the Cup? Probably not. Was the he the most decisive player in most of our team's victories? Yes, but that was not enough.
One last thing, I read how people always say argentinians are cocky, arrogant, hard to tolerate, even if I agree to some extent I could say the same about people from all nationalties when in large groups. I'm sorry if this offends anyone but brazilians are no different than we are or claimed to be.
People came to our games with the only intention of provoking us all the way to the final, they bought other teams jersey, painted their faces with other countries's flags, etc. I understand rotting for the other team but buying another team's jersey and celebrating as if you had won is a big NO in my book, specially when that other team beat yours in an incredible way. At least Adidas is happy with all the sales.
When Brazil lost to France in '98 we didn't go out to buy France shirt.
When I was in Germany, the people there understood when to stop and were respectful. But in Brazil my brother, sister and me were insulted, called "bad persons" for doing absolutely nothing, all while screaming Germany in our ears. Finally some guy working for some TV channel came to us when we were leaving and instead letting us go, he started poking us with the mic and singing about our defeat, sorry but fuck you. One thing is to have a german guy singing his heart out because he won and I can deal with it and another is to have someone acting all tough because he is on TV while being surrounded by 10 persons that would defend him and put the blame on you if you took action because you are a nobody. Call me whatever you like but my experience there was not the best.
Sorry for the long post but I needed to get this off my chest.
Also the best goal was Van Persie's 1st against Spain, beautiful.
First of all, congrats to Germany (I still hate you though).
While you do have a great team, players, etc I feel that Germany can play the way they do because you have several players in the same team, playing every week which means they know each other very well. If you add some excellent players from other top teams then you have the champion in the making. In my opinion, this is the greatest advantage powerful European countries have and we in South America can not replicate. All our players are scattered in many teams and get together to play 2 games during the qualification play-offs every few months.
Even though Germany was probably the team that played the best during the whole tournament (at least had 2 great games), I'd say that during the final they were not better than Argentina. I'm sure many will disagree but that's what I saw in the stadium which I believe is the best way to see the how both teams are standing on the field and the tactics they use.
While they did have more ball possession, the german team didn't make too much damage. Argentina was well organized. I could say the game could have gone our way, but our lack of accuracy was our doom. We had 3 clear chances to score but we didn't and since all 3 missed the goal they do not show up in the statistics (so it doesn't show the full picture). Once in extra time, we had no legs and the semifinal took it's toll on us.
Unfortunately, our offense did not have a great world cup, especially Aguero, Higuain (only played 1 good game) and Palacio (LA CONCHA DE TU HERMANA).
While many said we play like shit during the WC I beg to differ. Yes, during the group stage we didn't play as a team and relied only on Messi pulling tricks but once in the round of 16 I saw a team much more disciplined and organized on the field. Nowhere were we as bad as against Iran and we nullified the other teams we played against, a clear example being Belgium, which resorted to sending the ball near the box for Fellaini to head it to another player and with Holland we didn't let them counter-attack easily like they did before.
Yesterday I was left the stadium I had a mixture of anger and impotency, knowing we had it but we didn't take advantage of the rival's mistakes.
Today I'm feeling sad and empty. I went to Germany 2006, South Africa 2010 and Brazil 2014 and this could have been it. But the story is always the same, when we were playing better than the other teams we lost (2006), when we had Messi in top shape our coach was Maradona and while he was the greatest player, he knows shit about tactics or can not translate that to his players.
I feel bad for Mascherano who I don't know if he'll get another chance and I really wanted Messi to win so that people that criticize him for whatever reason would stop talking. And since yesterday's game was not his best, it will be more fuel to the fire. Was Messi the best player of the Cup? Probably not. Was the he the most decisive player in most of our team's victories? Yes, but that was not enough.
One last thing, I read how people always say argentinians are cocky, arrogant, hard to tolerate, even if I agree to some extent I could say the same about people from all nationalties when in large groups. I'm sorry if this offends anyone but brazilians are no different than we are or claimed to be.
People came to our games with the only intention of provoking us all the way to the final, they bought other teams jersey, painted their faces with other countries's flags, etc. I understand rotting for the other team but buying another team's jersey and celebrating as if you had won is a big NO in my book, specially when that other team beat yours in an incredible way. At least Adidas is happy with all the sales.
When Brazil lost to France in '98 we didn't go out to buy France shirt.
When I was in Germany, the people there understood when to stop and were respectful. But in Brazil my brother, sister and me were insulted, called "bad persons" for doing absolutely nothing, all while screaming Germany in our ears. Finally some guy working for some TV channel came to us when we were leaving and instead letting us go, he started poking us with the mic and singing about our defeat, sorry but fuck you. One thing is to have a german guy singing his heart out because he won and I can deal with it and another is to have someone acting all tough because he is on TV while being surrounded by 10 persons that would defend him and put the blame on you if you took action because you are a nobody. Call me whatever you like but my experience there was not the best.
Sorry for the long post but I needed to get this off my chest.
Also the best goal was Van Persie's 1st against Spain, beautiful.
I think the best was germany's away jersey in 2010.
Yeah this one is great! Sis has this one. I really didn't like the away one this year so I got the home one before the cup started! :3
Still so happy at Germany winning!!!
Long post, I decided to shorten it a bit so that I didn't take up any space that I don't need to.
Anyways, the two things I wanted to comment on were your analysis of the game and the issues with the fans/tv people. First off, congrats making it so far with your team, I was surprised by it all honestly - impressed. Anyways I wanted to say that I didn't think either team was all that much better if you look at the big picture. Yes Argentina had some great chances (3), but there were a ton of errors on both sides.
Also, with those chances, I felt it was obvious when they were first taken that Neuer assumed they were poor shots. With the Messi goal in particular, he didn't even try to save it, same with that other one. You did have a lot of good counter chances but most of them were maintained and Neuer never had to make a real save. Romero did though, and I think that was because of the way we were offensively. Our pushing into your box led to shots and crosses, but most were awkward because your defense was so tight. I'd say that overall, our offense was better but your defense was better.
That said, we were also put at a disadvantage from the starting whistle. We lost one of our holding mids, replacing him with a young kid that hadn't played much at all, and then he got hurt. We then proceeded to play with an injured player until we replaced the holding midfielder with a forward. Not exactly the best way to play. Tactically I thought despite everything, both coaches got it right. Sabella played the defensive counter strategy perfectly, while our passing and strong buildup play was fine. We made better substitutes than you did though.
As for other aspects of the game, the refereeing was pretty bad on both sides, with calls going both ways, so neither side really had any advantages over the other. Also, if you look at the way the game went, Argentina were arguably better for the first 60 minutes or so, and then Germany took over. This was probably because of the extra rest and the extra time game against The Netherlands though. Either way, pretty even match, with or without accurately displayed statistics.
With fans, well, I think you had the right idea about how people in Germany are, I won't boast or brag or talk us up but I think that as a nation of football we have some pretty respectful fans and all, along with the players. Though, most of the bad fans are either raised poorly or aren't just German fans. I figure that whatever person was being an ass to you was making more of it than he should have, even if we have an international rivalry. I would hope that he or any other poor examples in Brazil, which might also include natives that switched over for the final, don't cloud your judgement on the German nation as a whole.
I didn't like the new away kit at all when I first saw it, but when you see and feel and wear it in person it grows on you extremely fast. Very professional feel, and well made, looks a whole lot better on people than it does by itself. I was extremely impressed when I got my set of German World Cup materials. Though it still has nothing on that great 2010 away shirt, one of my favorites of all time - and in general, not just as a German jersey.
I think the best was germany's away jersey in 2010.
Great jersey. I was so happy when Adidas decided to make a black kit for Mexico too. It doesn't make any sense considering our national colors but fuck it, I love it.
America people who have directv.
So I see that they have maybe 8 channels 480-488 or something labeled as UEFA. Do they show all games on those channels for free? That would be grand.
Otherwise I see I can get fox soccer channel for like $15/month and the MLS package for the whole season for $80 one time charge. They don't give any sort of pricing for "international soccer" on their site.
any ideas?
So I see that they have maybe 8 channels 480-488 or something labeled as UEFA. Do they show all games on those channels for free? That would be grand.
Otherwise I see I can get fox soccer channel for like $15/month and the MLS package for the whole season for $80 one time charge. They don't give any sort of pricing for "international soccer" on their site.
any ideas?
After the first couple games with Germany, sis and i would go eat at a Mexican restaurant next to the bar we went to.
This one waiter confused my sister's black German kit with the Mexican black kit. He kept saying he likes her kit while he dislikes mine. Haha :'D he didn't hear us when we told him she's wearing the German 2010 kit.
Well this is unfortunate, but both brazilians and argentinians took this historical "rivalry" to extremes. In my experience argentinians were the ones taunting brazilians right from the start, way before the 7x1, my cousin arrived singing that damn song every time after the fan fests, some even made jokes about Neymar's spine later. After the humiliation, and after the possibility to have Argentina held the cup in the Maracanã, brazilian's bandwagon jump was completely obvious.
My only problem with the germans is that they have taken us out of the world cup 3 times in a row. :'( No problems other than that.
I agree with you on several points, of course it was an even match, not saying Germany played bad or anything, they moved the ball better but even when shooting on goal i felt like it was controlled by our defense and Romero. Neuer (amazing goalkeeper) wasn't even tested by our attack (which were in terrible shape).
Also agree on the subs, Sabella made several mistakes. 1st taking Lavezzi out in half-time. 2nd Higuain sub was way to early and Gago, well, he had a fucking awful semester in Boca Jrs and didn't perform like previous years in the National team, so he shouldn't even have played. I would have sent Lavezzi behind Lahm's back and see if he could make damage there. Also would have tried with Ricky Alvarez or Augusto Fernandez as a right midfielder if Enzo Perez was tired.
The ref sucked like most during the whole world cup. I still can not believe that he called a foul on neuer from higuain. Did he headbutt Neuer's knee? Come on.
I'm not sure if it was a penalty or not, it's still to early to see replays. What I know for sure that that was not a foul from our player. I would say Neuer was a little reckless. But that's in the past now.
With good refereeing 2 players should have seen a red card, Höwedes and Agüero, in my opinion.
Argentina are one CAM away from being world beaters, someones that allows Messi to play closer to goal where he is deadly, instead of being in the midfield.
Ricky Alvarez is mediocre, and Pastore never really took off.
Messi still has one world cup left in him, but the problem is that this Argentina generation is getting old and I don't see any prospects from Argentina that could light things up, whereas Germany is stacked with young talent.
Ricky Alvarez is mediocre, and Pastore never really took off.
Messi still has one world cup left in him, but the problem is that this Argentina generation is getting old and I don't see any prospects from Argentina that could light things up, whereas Germany is stacked with young talent.
Shining Sunshine
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Any of those GK top class? Hard to replace Julio Cesar even if he isn't as good as he was before.
He's going to early retirement in MLS.
I speak for myself when I say I never made fun of Brazil performance but only after they came to see the Netherland-Argentina game when lots of brazilian wore Netherland jersey. I was surprised everyone was. I was watching the game in a restaurant and didn't celebrate any German goal. Now regarding the jokes about Neymar's spine, that was tastless and it was a small group of people doing it, at least from the video. Didn't see it in the stadium. Neymar is a great kid and I wish him the best in Barcelona
Finally on the song, it just something normal between 2 rival nations, if you read the lyrics there is nothing offensive about it. It just mentions one of our few victories against Brazil in World cups and the usual Maradona is greater than Pele. Of course when they start singing about the 1000 goals of Pele (still I don't believe this number, they are counting the goals he score on PES and FIFA games
) and how they are 5 times world champions I have to deal with it. Just like I would sing against Boca since I'm a River Plate fan or the same on the other side.In the 1st game for example, just before messi's goal, I believe they started rooting for Neymar, so we did the same for Messi, but then they started insulting Messi so when he scored, you would figured it was payback time with more songs
Other times we were singing in support to our team not even mentioning Brazil, when the brazilian crowd started singing again either of the 2 songs mentioned earlier.
I's very easy to root and sing for a team when you are not playing and since only 1 side is nervous and on the line then you can expect someone to lose their head, specially with the help of alcohol.
Yeah, Germany has a lot of young talent and with world cup experience and a championship as well. If they keep it like that is going to be tough to take them out.
I do agree that Messi is way more dangerous closer to the goal, and his playstyle is benefited when his team has more ball possession and many options to around him to distract defenders.
I'd guess Messi, Di Maria and Aguero, are going to play the next WC, some defenders as well. We need to build a new midfield, Masche might play if he is in top shape in the middle or in the back. But we need to create a team plays to Messi strengths, he can no longer run 50 meters with the ball and elude the defense all by himself.
There is always talent in Argentina maybe not as good. Unfortunately our local league is getting worse every year, good players go anywhere as long as they get paid in US$ or and secure their economic future even if that means going to a smaller league in Europe and not getting any better as players. And it's very hard to keep them here for more than a year.
Dagobert Duck
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Party time once again But the plane is going late
But the plane is going late Tragicomedy
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Do not, under any circumstances, pay for Fox Soccer Channel. Years ago it was great. Now it's absolutely worthless. They don't have a damn thing worth watching.
MLS is MLS. If you like the idea of watching local guys play and following a local team, do it. The product on the field isn't terrible by any means, but it does pale in comparison to what you'll see in the major leagues around the world. $80 is a good deal if you want to follow a specific team.
Your best option right now is to watch the EPL for free on NBC. They air one or two major games on the weekend, and you can access all the others on their website. They've made it damn easy to follow, and there's even nice league synopsis videos where they go team by team and explain their history and star players.
Regular ESPN airs major club matches for stuff like Champion's League, so you'll get your occasional exposure to Barcelona, Real Madrid, and Bayern Munich.
I watch every match of my favorite club in Argentina, River Plate, on the AFA website, Futbol Para Todos, but I doubt that will appeal to most people.
I've seen the Schumacher impression by Neuer a million times now, and seen a million arguments about it in this thread and also the Football thread. I may be biased as a German fan but I don't think it was a penalty and at worst it was a yellow. Neuer jumped to hit the ball away before Higuain was there, and it was simply a collision. My honest opinion was that it should have been a throw-in. I don't know where the ref came up with the conclusion that Neuer was fouled in that whole mess.
Höwedes probably should have seen red, but I can definitely understand the dark yellow, same goes for Aguero. Though Aguero made far more fouls than Höwedes, that is for sure. Those are two good candidates for reds. Though, I think a lot more players deserved yellows too. I don't mean to sound biased or to attack your team, but the defense was playing extremely aggressively the entire game. By the end they looked sluggish and players like Schweinsteiger were taking a massive beating. A lot of people on the Argentina team were lucky for that.
WonkyPanda
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That is pretty much the biggest problem with Brazil and Argentina right now. Before, it was a lot easier to keep the greats local. Now? Nearly impossible.
Tragicomedy
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Pig Climber was hit once or twice. He rolled around the ground for roughly five minutes like he was shot by a sniper rifle. He turned the extra time into a bit of a farce, and lost a ton of respect from lots of the neutrals I know who were watching the game.
Everyone on the German squad played classy except him. The game was extremely physical on both sides, with the Mascherano backhand and the flying knee to Higuain's face. Overall, I'm fine with how the ref called (or didn't call) stuff.
Sub_Level
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Not bad.
I tought Neuer was a little reckless but if we lost is it was not because of that but for our lack of accuracy.
As I told you before I have not seen replays it hurts too much, only saw it in the stadium and those are the fouls I remembered the most live or that looked most violent. Weird thing is they only showed Higuain offside goal on the screens, when replays of stuff like that are not allowed.
The whole thing regarding yellows was a problem that FIFA brought onto themselves. If refs don't use cards it's obvious players are going to play a rough no matter where they come from. That's how Neymar got injured, Brazil was doing fouls left and right with no punishment so Colombia started playing rougher. Neymar had the worst outcome.
Mm. Once or twice is a bit off. I think it was about 4 times, and I don't know who you have been talking to but most people I know respect him a bit more, especially after explanation. You go out and play a full game, then go into extra time, after month long tournament. You go and play as the basic exclusive real holding midfielder in the team, having to hold Messi and Mascherano the whole time, as well as support the offensive movement. Then get slid into 4 times and cut your face after you spent that whole game going for the ball and playing to your hardest.
He also didn't roll around all that time, and basically all of it was still before our goal. He was exhausted and in pain, it isn't easy to do all that for 120 minutes at all. It is extremely hard, and I imagine it stung a lot and his muscles felt tight. It is shortsighted overall to assume he was time wasting because Schweinsteiger is an extremely classy player, and has a recent history of being a leader by example and a good guy. If he was on the ground it was because he was having a hard time getting up.
If you are going to call out diving or faking, Schweinsteiger isn't who should be brought up. Müller is my favorite player and he was down plenty. It is what he does a lot, bad habit of it all. He was even confronted during the game by the Argentinians that stopped it for the arguing bit.
I may be biased as a German fan, but I don't think that the criticism of Schweinsteiger is fully accurate or fair overall.
Sorry but thats a shit post.
Watch the tackles again, that blood and dirt wasnt faked. Argentina lost control in midfield completely after the 70th minute and started this over the top physical play to avoid German domination in midfield. Schweinsteiger was fouled 7 times after this with 2 attacks being actual second yellow cards for Aguero and Mascherano. What Schweinsteiger did in extra time was smart, of course the opposition sees this otherwise but its about the biggest trophy in sports.
Now dont be salty, this "pig climber" shit is daft and calling the referee performance ok, when he was willingly accepting injuries on both sides is just ridiculous.
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