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NPD Sales Results for June 2014 [Up3: All Hardware (June/LTD), Top 10 Software SKUs]

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SwiftDeath

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Isleofsancroy said:
its insane too think any console is going over 10 million by the end of the year.
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Psycho_Mantis said:
What does everyone think PS4's 2014 total end up as (NPD) ?

So far PS4 has sold 1589k.

360 did 3896k in its first full year (2006)
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PS4 is at at least 7M WW as of April.....

Isleofsancroy said:
By the end of 2014 I can see a little over the 360s. This holiday will be big.
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3896 - 1589 = 2307

So it's insane to think either console will sell 10M by end of year but PS4 should sell at least 2307k in the US alone before the end of year bringing PS4's WW total up to 9.3M and then I guess sell less than 600k in the rest of the world from April to December?

Or what?
 
ethomaz

ethomaz

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Isleofsancroy said:
Sony Im expecting high 8-9 million at most.

As for MS on Tuesday I guess we can guess numbers to consumers by their shipped figures.

If they say over 6 million shipped I would say 5.5. Nearly 7 million sniper would be around 6 million. Anything higher would be a miracle.
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My bet is 6 million max for XB1 shipment with less than 5 million sold to consumers... there are so much consoles in the retail/stores to have a less than 1 million units on shelves.
 
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Isleofsancroy

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I count the "by the end" to be November. AT the end of the year I can see over 10th million.
SwiftDeath said:
PS4 is at at least 7M WW as of April.....



3896 - 1589 = 2307

So it's insane to think either console will sell10M by end of year but PS4 should sell at least 2307k in the US alone before the end of year bringing PS4's WW total up to 9.3M and then I guess sell less than 600k in the rest of the world from April to December?

Or what?
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DustyVonEric

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Isleofsancroy said:
Sony Im expecting high 8-9 million at most.

As for MS on Tuesday I guess we can guess numbers to consumers by their shipped figures.

If they say over 6 million shipped I would say 5.5. Nearly 7 million sniper would be around 6 million. Anything higher would be a miracle.
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Sony reported selling 7 million consoles world wide as of April 6th.

Do you really expect them to sell only 1-2 more PS4's million world wide through December?

Maybe I don't understand?

Edit

Nevermind. Others already on it. Don't want to pile on :)
 
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Raist

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orochi91 said:
I imagine world-wide sales are between 4.5-5 million for the XB1. By the end on 2013
there will probably be 2:1 (if not higher) sold difference in favor of the PS4.

With all the channel-stuffing MS are doing, I expect some amazing deals this coming Black Friday
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I really doubt they're anywhere near 5M sold. 4.5M would be a higher limit.
 
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Isleofsancroy

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Raist said:
They shipped over 5M. I'm talking sell-through.
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No you are quoting the predictions of the last report. They already shipped over 5 million last time. For your theory to work, Xbox would have had to sell next to zero. To still only be around 4.5 mill to consumers.
 
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Isleofsancroy

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SwiftDeath said:
What on earth are you talking about?

What other "end of" statement by you have I been referring to then?

This is a very straightforward statement by you. There is no other way to interpret it
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Theres a post your missing in between those two. Where the topic of Nov came from in the first place. In fact you messed up the quotes and the order.
 
Chobel

Chobel

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Isleofsancroy said:
No you are quoting the predictions of the last report. They already shipped over 5 million last time. For your theory to work, Xbox would have had to sell next to zero. To still only be around 4.5 mill to consumers.
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Where did get 4.5 mil sold-through in March from?
 
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DustyVonEric

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Isleofsancroy said:
No one on it at all, you misread the post.
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Again, maybe I don't understand but by the flow of the thread it seemed that you were speaking of 10 million being unattainable for a console by the end of the year.

Isleofsancroy said:
its insane too think any console is going over 10 million by the end of the year.
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In this post here it makes it seem like you only expect 8-9 mil for PS4.

Isleofsancroy said:
Sony Im expecting high 8-9 million at most.

As for MS on Tuesday I guess we can guess numbers to consumers by their shipped figures.

If they say over 6 million shipped I would say 5.5. Nearly 7 million sniper would be around 6 million. Anything higher would be a miracle.
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You mention shipped for MS, but not Sony. That's where the confusion is coming from on my end anyways, because Sony has been reporting sold through while MS has switched to reporting shipped.

But if you are saying that Sony has not shipped 10 mil by end of June, I'd think with the way it's been selling and Sony only just recently starting to catch up with demand it seems world wide, I wouldn't think 10 mil or at least high 9 mil wouldn't be out of the question.
 
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Raist

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Isleofsancroy said:
No you are quoting the predictions of the last report. They already shipped over 5 million last time. For your theory to work, Xbox would have had to sell next to zero. To still only be around 4.5 mill to consumers.
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No, because you have absolutely no idea how many XB1 were sold at the time they made the 5M shipped announcement. Could have been 3.5M for all you know.

Consider this:
After gloating about sold-through figures, they quickly switched to "shipped" statements.
They sold 2.7M in the US as of the end of June. Considering the high ratio of US vs the rest sales for the 360 already, and the fact that the XB1 is doing so-so in the UK and getting wrecked in mainland europe, I really, really doubt they sold anywhere near 2.3M in the rest of the launch countries so far.
 
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Isleofsancroy

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The quote talking about ms on Tuesday is about THIS months Xbox and ps sales. Now the year. That should break the confusion.
DustyVonEric said:
Again, maybe I don't understand but by the flow of the thread it seemed that you were speaking of 10 million being unattainable for a console by the end of the year.



In this post here it makes it seem like you only expect 8-9 mil for PS4.



You mention shipped for MS, but not Sony. That's where the confusion is coming from on my end anyways, because Sony has been reporting sold through while MS has switched to reporting shipped.

But if you are saying that Sony has not shipped 10 mil by end of June, I'd think with the way it's been selling and Sony only just recently starting to catch up with demand it seems world wide, I wouldn't think 10 mil or at least high 9 mil wouldn't be out of the question.
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Isleofsancroy

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No, because at the star they were 3 to 3.9. If they were 3.5 they shipped nearly 2 million + extra units which makes no sense since then. If your 4.5 theory is true they would have the same amount on shelves.
Raist said:
No, because you have absolutely no idea how many XB1 were sold at the time they made the 5M shipped announcement. Could have been 3.5M for all you know.

Consider this:
After gloating about sold through figures, they quickly switched to "shipped" statements.
They sold 2.7M in the US as of the end of June. Considering the high ratio of US sales for the 360 already, and the fact that the XB1 is doing o-so in the UK and getting wrecked in mainland europe, I really, really doubt they sold 2.2M in the rest of the launch countries so far.
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Disaster Nebraska

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Isleofsancroy said:
Your theory is incorrect. Not only that, ps3 beat the 360?
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Care to explain how it's incorrect? Or rather, care to explain how XBox One is more like the PS3 than the Wii U?

Also, Ps3 beat 360. Didn't know if you'd heard. It happened quite a while ago. The more important point was that the first two years of the PS3's sales were the worst and then it continued to increase in yearly sales until now. Who is to say that the worst years of the Wii U's sales aren't behind us?
 
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Isleofsancroy

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Disaster Nebraska said:
Care to explain how it's incorrect? Or rather, care to explain how XBox One is more like the PS3 than the Wii U?

Also, Ps3 beat 360. Didn't know if you'd heard. It happened quite a while ago. The more important point was that the first two years of the PS3's sales were the worst and then it continued to increase in yearly sales until now. Who is to say that the worst years of the Wii U's sales aren't behind us?
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Never happened. 360 is still ahead.
 
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Isleofsancroy

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Shiggy said:
How much had it sold in the US by the end of March? It's highly doubtful that it sold nearly as much in Europe as it did over there.
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I dont get this post. The shipment was 5 million+ the estimate ti consumers was 4.5 million. By now its logical that the one st least sold over 5 million.
 
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Isleofsancroy

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Shiggy said:
You are talking about the US market, whereas the other user is talking about worldwide sales. So both of you are right.
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No I am talking about world wide sales. 360 hit 84 before the ps3 did. Ps3 never passed the 360...yet. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
 
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theprodigy

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Shiggy said:
You are talking about the US market, whereas the other user is talking about worldwide sales. So both of you are right.
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I don't think there's definitive evidence of PS3 passing it worldwide until maybe this year, although that didn't stop yearly "PS3 passes 360" threads to show up futilely.
 
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Shiggy

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Isleofsancroy said:
I dont get this post. The shipment was 5 million+ the estimate ti consumers was 4.5 million. By now its logical that the one st least sold over 5 million.
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Who's estimate was the sell through number? It was not provided by Microsoft. Making an estimate based on sell through numbers in the main X1 market makes a lot more sense than what you are doing. We know US sell-through numbers (2.7 mio). Thinking it sold nearly as much in Europe appears more than just unlikely.
 
SDCowboy

SDCowboy

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Isleofsancroy said:
Sony Im expecting high 8-9 million at most.

As for MS on Tuesday I guess we can guess numbers to consumers by their shipped figures.

If they say over 6 million shipped I would say 5.5. Nearly 7 million sniper would be around 6 million. Anything higher would be a miracle.
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Seriously, WTF are you talking about?
 
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benny_a

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Isleofsancroy said:
Where the source for the ps3 passing the 360? Typing 360 84 million on a search engine will prove my side.
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I have not made any positive assertion so there is no burden on me. You have asserted the 360 has reached 84 million before the PS3, so you should provide evidence. This is what we do in sales threads.
 
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Raist

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Isleofsancroy said:
No, because at the star they were 3 to 3.9. If they were 3.5 they shipped nearly 2 million + extra units which makes no sense since then. If your 4.5 theory is true they would have the same amount on shelves.
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3 to 3.9? Their 3M sold-through by the end of 2013 was already a bit higher range.

The SELL reported 3.01M PS4+XB1 sold in GER+UK+SPA+FR+ITA from Jan to May 2014. In these countries the overall ratio is likely 2:1 at the very least.

So that's 1M at the very best for the XB1 in what represents 90+% of the EU market.
I don't think the XB1 sold 1.3M (half the US and more than most of Europe) in Canada, Austria, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Ireland and Mexico.
 
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Isleofsancroy

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Shiggy said:
Who's estimate was the sell through number? It was not provided by Microsoft. Making an estimate based on sell through numbers in the main X1 market makes a lot more sense than what you are doing. We know US sell-through numbers (2.7 mio). Thinking it sold nearly as much in Europe appears more than just unlikely.
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That was have prediction. When it shipped over 5 million last time the sell through was said to be 4.5 with some saying 4.3. Even if it was 4.2, we know since then the one sold over 300k we, so to think CURRENT SALES are only at 4.5 is madness unless you really believe there are 1.5 to 2 million xboxes on shelves.
 
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Isleofsancroy

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I have already proven your guess if 4.5 dies not make sense. I even explained it more in the last post. Unless you think toward 2 million ones are on the shelves your 4.5 guess is mad fir present sales.
Raist said:
3 to 3.9? Their 3M sold-through by the end of 2013 was already a bit higher range.

The SELL reported 3.01M PS4+XB1 sold in GER+UK+SPA+FR+ITA from Jan to May 2014. In these countries the overall ratio is likely 2:1 at the very least.

So that's 1M at the very best for the XB1 in what represents 90+% of the EU market.
I don't think the XB1 sold 1.3M (half the US and more than most of Europe) in Canada, Austria, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Ireland and Mexico.
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