Pretty sure they split because...
1. Edgar was taking way too long. The original plans for the Avengers was to have both Ant-man and Wasp but since Edgar took to long they had to scrap that.
2. He wasn't incorporating ANY MCU into the film as far as we had been told so the movie wouldn't have fit. To which at that point there was no reason to do the film if it wasn't MCU. Since Marvel wants Ant-man to be along the avengers.
yeah totally ripped off mask rider.
yeah totally ripped off mask rider.
Well number one definitely isn't correct, and neither is point 2.
He was incorporating MCU stuff, plenty of it, in fact. But they wanted drastic changes to the script at the 11th hours, to accomodate future stuff for other movies.
According to Edgar the changes made the story unbelievable crap. Like super shit.
Look at Iron Man 2 and Thor 2, and one can certainly believe this. Its well known Marvel usually shoots with shitty scripts, but since they have every actor locked down for multiple movies they can call every one back for reshoots, thus the movie is actually found and created in the edit.
Probably, the most hack way of making a story possible. Zero respect for their audience or its intelligence.
Ant-Man came before Kamen Rider (1962).
I really don't think Adam McKay and Paul Rudd wrote a super serious script.
This is all completely true. But it goes with the shared universe concept. Editors/producers get a lot of power in that type of situation. Yes, we could get better stories out of creators with no editorial oversight, but we lose some of what makes shared universes fun if we go down that path, because those creators won't care to make sure everything fits together. I don't want to defend the Bob Harras/Kevin Feige types too much, though, because I think they make a hell of a lot of bad decisions in their attempts to juggle shared universes and protecting their brands. It's just probably not possible for Joss Whedon to have full creative control over characters like Wolverine and Emma Frost, even if editorial could do a better job of facilitating the best stories from the best creatives. Joss Whedon was doing something over here, Ed Brubaker was doing something over there. Easier said than done to make that all work.
Do you have any sources for this? Because from around the time this debacle happened, I never heard of Edgar including any MCU stuff. Most reports said he was basically ignoring it.
Do you have any sources for this? Because from around the time this debacle happened, I never heard of Edgar including any MCU stuff. Most reports said he was basically ignoring it.
I think it’s just doing its own thing in the accepted history but it's still part of the other movies and always was. In the time I’ve been working on it other things have happened in the other movies that could be affected in this. It is pretty standalone in the way we’re linking it to the others. I like to make it standalone because I think the premise of it needs time. I want to put the crazy premise of it into a real world, which is why I think "Iron Man" really works because it’s a relatively simple universe; it’s relatable. I definitely want to go into finding a streamlined format where you use the origin format to introduce the main character and further adventures can bring other people into it. I’m a big believer in keeping it relatively simple and Marvel agrees on that front.
Pretty sure they split because...
1. Edgar was taking way too long. The original plans for the Avengers was to have both Ant-man and Wasp but since Edgar took to long they had to scrap that.
2. He wasn't incorporating ANY MCU into the film as far as we had been told so the movie wouldn't have fit. To which at that point there was no reason to do the film if it wasn't MCU. Since Marvel wants Ant-man to be along the avengers.
Are you posting from your phone and/or drunk?
Why the constant need to tie things into the marvel universe for future movies? It's a marvel movie - you could have it entirely standalone and then throw him in with the avengers and we'd make the link. No need to telegraph things bluntly all the time.
Why the constant need to tie things into the marvel universe for future movies? It's a marvel movie - you could have it entirely standalone and then throw him in with the avengers and we'd make the link. No need to telegraph things bluntly all the time.
Do you have any sources for this? Because from around the time this debacle happened, I never heard of Edgar including any MCU stuff. Most reports said he was basically ignoring it.
“It’s a way of doing a superhero film within another genre. I wanted to tell an origin tale in a slightly different way. It’s part of the Marvel cinematic universe, but it also feels like its own piece.”
Why the hell was the trailer so serious while having two comedic punchlines (if you could call them that) in between? Not to mention how ridiculous in concept it is anyway. That was terrible.
I see this thread is starting to turn into a "Grill Neoxon" thread. Eh, we all make mistakes. The thing is that we learn from them.
I thought we were supposed to get Paul Rudd riding ants and doing this:
Not talking to his daughter in bed while say says, "Daddy, are you a superhero?"
I want goof, not schmaltz!
I feel like the intention was to have a teaser which looked, felt, and sounded like every other of the more "serious" Marvel films, and then Rudd's "huh" was supposed to turn the tables on that, along with his final line. But I don't think it really worked.
Pretty much what it felt like to me. They just didn't get it right.
Not bad. Iirc, the GOTG trailers were all pretty bad. At least the early ones. Marvel trailer are usually all over the place tone wise
Pretty much what it felt like to me. They just didn't get it right.
So yet another evil corporation is the bad guy in this? How many of those do we have in the MCU already? Four?
I feel like the intention was to have a teaser which looked, felt, and sounded like every other of the more "serious" Marvel films, and then Rudd's "huh" was supposed to turn the tables on that, along with his final line. But I don't think it really worked.