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Marvel Studios' Echo - Official Trailer (2024) Alaqua Cox, Vincent D'Onofrio
- Thread starter Spyxos
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March Climber
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The funny thing here is that what Marvel is doing now with shows like Echo is exactly what they started doing with the Netflix shows/Agent Carter/Agents of Shield.
And initially the fans complained about those shows not being connected enough, but now fans are starting to prefer disconnected solo stories.
Everyone involved actually went full circle lol.
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
This doesn't tie into anything except for Daredevil.
Echo TV Series Will Be Released Under "Marvel Spotlight" Banner
Echo will be the first 'Marvel Spotlight' title in the MCU.comicbook.com
Marvel readers, like myself at times, are familiar with the "street level" comics. Spider-Man, Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, etc. I like that Disney is continuing that with this show - and I pray with their retooling of Daredevil.
Every story doesn't have to be about characters that can shoot lasers and change time and shit while flying through the multiverse. Sometimes it's just about some beat-ass character avenging the wronged in Hell's Kitchen.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
This show is likely to be terrible, but you just sound like an absolute twat.
I get the desire to rightly lambast Disney for their constant, never ending pandering, but you’ve dropped into clear, rather nasty prejudice here.
There‘s nothing wrong with wanting to feature a protagonist with a disability. Representation is good.
But it has to be written well - just like any other kind of character. Disney’s problem is they can’t do that, because the writing staff is terrible, lazy and driven by agenda.
Also, Spider-man 2 was Sony, not Disney.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
So this is actually a The Kingpin show featuring Echo?
Im in for that.
Im in for that.
See, then why is she a criminal reduced to just punching people? Seems like she would be better off as the world's #1 golfer, lock down a cool billion, THEN turn to a life of petty crime.
The best superhero origins are good people DRIVEN to fight crime, this is an honorable and laudable goal. But who is DRIVEN to be a ganglord if they have dozens of better options?
A lot of villains breakdown when they get the spotlight for this reason, IMHO. Only the crazy/world dominating ones hold up to being center in their own story.
RAÏSanÏa
Member
Being late to the Marvel party I haven't gotten around to watching Carter due to it not mattering. Well, early and late in the sense that I watched Iron Man The Hulk for 70s nostalgia and cinema RDJ, Norton & Roth, then skipped movies until the second Avengers for director then caught up. I did watch a bit of Agents while waiting for Endgame and was surprised at the panty scene.
They should do more of that in one or two shows. To be this decade it'd be wild if She-Hulk in season 2 got an Onlyfans. Not even going to that extent for every character it worldbuilds for the superladies to wear sexy costumes. From lyrca to lingerie as would reflect reality. Not that there wouldn't be gaudy like Titania.
The Spotlight label might be good for those Spelling type shows, but it could also be good for introducing things like Miles as Spider-Man and moving the characteristics that were Peters like science, tragic backstory, introversion to another(new?) character. Different types of stories from drama to horror, trom G to TV-MA, it'd be fun to see what ends up trending.
Disney should take the lesson and not completely disconnect though. Events happening in main storyline in these Spotlights is advertising, just might have to keep to things going from Spotlight to main story to Easter eggs.
Haven't you heard? Attractive women in skimpy outfits is SEXIST....you ANIMAL!!!!
Of course no one mentions that there is a guy topless there as well, and how hard he had to diet and work to get those abs for that day. Fuck men though, the pig!
These actresses are hired 95% for their looks. If they can emote a bit and remember their lines, thats just gravy. Every now and then we get a Jennifer Lawrence combo of attractive and acting talent. I don't think they can really complain about having to flaunt that body they've worked so hard for/paid for. And of course now a lot of them aren't being hired and the casting directors are going for "more interesting looking people" to fill some DIE quota and I think the visual appeal of media has suffered. Same marginal acting, but way less eye candy to cover up boring writing.
RAÏSanÏa
Member
There's always those harping on and on about their fixations. Always complaining, never appreciating.
Variety is the key. Sexy conservative outfits standout from the revealing in the adult orientated shows. It could reflect powers, maybe psions are more prone to jaunt around in lingerie, like Emma Frost. MCU witches seem more conservative, but that could be explained by the sample/coven. Costume could be a source of friction for comedy and drama in and out of story.
Unsure what you mean by interesting looking and don't know what a DIE quota is.
The closest I can think of to what you mean by interesting is maybe Tilda Swinton. I thought she was perfect for an ancient reclusive wizard. She didn't need to be sexy and it didn't seem forced that she wasn't/wouldn't be dressed sexy with the characterization/setting. Not that there couldn't be sexy witches/wizards, just maybe not at Kamartaj.
Angela Basset had commandingly sexy costumes. Scarlet Witch too. Neither being terribly revealing and solid actresses.
There are some oddly utilized actors like Julia Louise Dreyfuss.
The writing/acting for Falcon & Winter Soldier had some good moments. Especially with Bucky/counsellor and Falcon/Isaiah. Wandavision. Hawkeye.
Loki season 2 seems weaker than the first. No eye catching costumes in any sense, not even something neat like classic Loki.
Even with some of the amazing scenes in it Moonknight is mostly forgotten. Costuming was fairly bland. Those god scenes do give me hope for spectacular Zarathos/Mephisto scenes both visual and writing if they take inspiration and develop.
DeafTourette
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Blackage
Member
That looks good
Expectations are in the toilet so if they manage to surprise us it'll be nice
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
Let's go for the ultimate disability. A fucking levitating head for a protagonist.
DeafTourette
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Kinda funny you said that because a scene from the show had them fighting. The clip was taken down as it wasn't officially released yet.
Choreography was pretty good too! Long take. No "Taken" editing tricks.
She doesn't know he's blind and he doesn't know she's dead. At least based on this scene above.
However, how is it a hindrance? You don't need to talk to fight.
And I'm not addressing this next part to you but others who think being deaf and doing acting or fighting or anything like that is impossible...
At deaf schools, they have sports teams. It's no different from mainstream HSs.
There are deaf and hard of hearing doctors, nurses, engineers, Lawyers, physicists, etc. The way some posters talk, deaf people shouldn't be allowed to do anything but menial work.
I'm not mad but this is part of what I used to do: educate and advocate for the Deaf/HoH and people with Tourette
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ChuckeRearmed
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
How does THAT look bad? And this is a more experienced DD.
jufonuk
not tag worthy
oh no my only possible reason for watching this show. I’ve seen it now. So ok cool.
Also wouldn’t daredevil beat her in a straight fight ? She doesn’t have super strength etc so as he is hitting her with some metal sticks shouldn’t she be a bit messed up ?
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
When he's hitting/blocking her legs with the batons, he's hitting her metal leg. And the weight of the batons isn't like that of a bat... So it won't do as much damage as that ... A metal pole of similar size is a more apt comparison.
Also, DD doesn't have super strength either.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Further to what Aditar said, if the fight had been more fluid and natural throughout the faux one-take, it would have been pretty decent. I really disliked Hawkeye the show, but will give this one a shot for ol' Vinnie and Charlie.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Looking at this so more. Ah... they don't even look like they land the punches, you can see how far they are from the actual face/body.
Better angles and direction could have rectify that.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
I believe it has been a long time problem with a lot of western movies. It was even explained here (and at 2:30 too)
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SidViscous
Member
None of those hits even came close to making contact, you can see a solid foot gap between some of the punches, at which point it appears more like a dance than a fight. They should have sent her to WWE school or picked better camera angles.
touchfuzzy
Member
Yeah, another lame Marvel thing nobody asked for that got pushed through cause the character checks off multiple diversity boxes.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Personally I wonder if Marvel will pivot to another Iron Man, Hulk etc. soon or will try to develop the current characters more?
Hudo
Member
I laughed way too hard at this.Another Marvel tv trash.
Maybe this will be the Disney IP that finally gets my wife interested in super hero stuff.
More seriously, with Mando probably being mid to late 2025, I think I could save money if I dropped Disney + and just bought my kids whatever Disney releases that they have any interest in for the next couple of years. And I'm not sure if anyone but me even cares about Mando after the last season (Book of Bo Katan) and Ahsoka (both kids stopped watching mid season). Deadpool 3 is honestly the only thing I think my kids are looking forward to from Disney, or even remotely interested in. No way that costs more than a year of plus.
More seriously, with Mando probably being mid to late 2025, I think I could save money if I dropped Disney + and just bought my kids whatever Disney releases that they have any interest in for the next couple of years. And I'm not sure if anyone but me even cares about Mando after the last season (Book of Bo Katan) and Ahsoka (both kids stopped watching mid season). Deadpool 3 is honestly the only thing I think my kids are looking forward to from Disney, or even remotely interested in. No way that costs more than a year of plus.
touchfuzzy
Member
Maybe this will be the Disney IP that finally gets my wife interested in super hero stuff.
More seriously, with Mando probably being mid to late 2025, I think I could save money if I dropped Disney + and just bought my kids whatever Disney releases that they have any interest in for the next couple of years. And I'm not sure if anyone but me even cares about Mando after the last season (Book of Bo Katan) and Ahsoka (both kids stopped watching mid season). Deadpool 3 is honestly the only thing I think my kids are looking forward to from Disney, or even remotely interested in. No way that costs more than a year of plus.
This was always Dave Filoni's dream scenario, to bring the cartoon gobbly-gook characters he created to live action spotlight if given the chance.
My kids are very interested in Inside Out 2, I think that's basically a guaranteed hit.
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Reizo Ryuu
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Lol that quote is nonsense, maya lopez is like a c-tier character nobody cares about at all, comparing her to squirrel girl is insane, but I see what they are doing there by also mentioning safe space and snowflake who are so f-tier, their book never launched, or maybe it stealthily did but I don't care to find out.
Damn, spoiler that stuff, man!!!
Anyway, I just hope there is a scene (it have to be a flashback I think) where she runs across Purple Man and can't hear his commands and just brushes past him, to his eternal dismay. Make the deafness a relevant characteristic. Have a few scenes where she has to throw stuff at her sidekicks so they look at her to read her signs. Emphasize that she uses other visual or vibration cues to detect someone walking up behind her, about to strike. And she should DEFINITELY suffer a few setbacks because she couldn't hear a grenade pin release, gun cock, or whatever, because that humanizes her and that's how you balance the character. Don't need to dwell on it, but establish how differently she interacts with the world and that simultaneously leaves her with some vulnerability and some advantages given her line of work.
And PLEASE let me know if they throw any easter eggs or jokes in with the sign language. My niece knows ASL and would get a kick out of it.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
I read that sentence and only recognized the Squirrel Girl and only because of Epic Rap Battle of History
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Damn, spoiler that stuff, man!!!
Anyway, I just hope there is a scene (it have to be a flashback I think) where she runs across Purple Man and can't hear his commands and just brushes past him, to his eternal dismay. Make the deafness a relevant characteristic. Have a few scenes where she has to throw stuff at her sidekicks so they look at her to read her signs. Emphasize that she uses other visual or vibration cues to detect someone walking up behind her, about to strike. And she should DEFINITELY suffer a few setbacks because she couldn't hear a grenade pin release, gun cock, or whatever, because that humanizes her and that's how you balance the character. Don't need to dwell on it, but establish how differently she interacts with the world and that simultaneously leaves her with some vulnerability and some advantages given her line of work.
And PLEASE let me know if they throw any easter eggs or jokes in with the sign language. My niece knows ASL and would get a kick out of it.
LoL I will!
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Watching episode 1 now...
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Watching this during my colonoscopy
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Maya's cousin Bonnie is FINE!
She about to earn that TV-MA rating????
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I wish she had another deaf person to talk with in this first episode... Two culturally Deaf people together and their faces LIGHT UP... FACIAL expressions are part of ASL... But with hearing people, their faces can be stoic
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
That brought me back ... The tribal dances in the "This Season" montage. The Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians at the Rez was always cool to see at the Choctaw Fair.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I don't know but she's built how I like my women... Curvy and pretty!
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I take it back ... Bonnie isn't that attractive. The fireman clothes made her booty look rounder.
But fun fact: young Maya is actually Alaqua Cox's cousin.
But fun fact: young Maya is actually Alaqua Cox's cousin.
Toons
Member
K Devery, if that's who it is, is hot af and I will accept no other opinions.
Its whiplash seeing her play someone actually her age when she played a teen so convincingly in reservation dogs.
I saw ep one and it was solid, that fight scene was hype af. However you can tell a lot was cut and chopped out but it kinds helps the show keep a steady pace.
I love that Maya has a personality and attitude about her, you dont see that from deaf characters a lot and often their only character trait is being def. But the actress uses expressions and mannerisms to tell you exactly what kinda person Maya is
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Nice mid credits scene at the end of episode 5!
I really liked this show. Not the BEST but it has some good action scenes and a personal story. They changed up her powers ...
I really liked this show. Not the BEST but it has some good action scenes and a personal story. They changed up her powers ...
Sonik
Member
Understandable, people get annoyed and bored during this shit so a colonoscopy might make things a little bit more fun