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Marvel's ANT-MAN Trailer #1
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peanutbutterlatte
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They're in real danger of a tonal mish-mash if they do "Haha ant sized trailers and tiny men on posters!" one minute and "generic action/superhero origin trailer" the next.
Saying that, maybe I'm wrong considering how GotG opened (and certain moments of GotG throughout really)
Saying that, maybe I'm wrong considering how GotG opened (and certain moments of GotG throughout really)
GreenRobot
Banned
Well number one definitely isn't correct, and neither is point 2.
He was incorporating MCU stuff, plenty of it, in fact. But they wanted drastic changes to the script at the 11th hours, to accomodate future stuff for other movies.
According to Edgar the changes made the story unbelievable crap. Like super shit.
Look at Iron Man 2 and Thor 2, and one can certainly believe this. Its well known Marvel usually shoots with shitty scripts, but since they have every actor locked down for multiple movies they can call every one back for reshoots, thus the movie is actually found and created in the edit.
Probably, the most hack way of making a story possible. Zero respect for their audience or its intelligence.
plasmawave
Banned
Kamen Rider and Ant Man cross over some day!?!?!?!
Finaika
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Ant-Man came before Kamen Rider (1962).
Do you have any sources for this? Because from around the time this debacle happened, I never heard of Edgar including any MCU stuff. Most reports said he was basically ignoring it.
plasmawave
Banned
But the original design looks nothing like the current one.
I'm not saying they ripped off tho
GreenRobot
Banned
The problem is, the fun of a shared universe can never outweigh the fun of truly good story. The fun of shared universe is fleeting, and mostly meaningless. It works gangbusters on kids though so there is always an incentive to do this.
Kids and old comic books fans that still want everything to lineup in the comics world. Just think about how pathetic the mainstream comics are, and repetitive in that they start good and always peter out. Its like damned clockwork.
They do not need to do it like this, sure its cool, but its not a good way to tell stories. Just give us a badass trilogy, start, middle, and a shocking ending. That is how it is with the best stories.
Marvels method has a hard glass ceiling. They may be slick, well cast, good efx, but they will never compete with the great trilogies of cinema.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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They should hire Roger Deakins to shoot the next few Marvel flicks.
Lock him up, Feige!
Lock him up, Feige!
GreenRobot
Banned
Oh, he was totally playing ball for ages. He is vocal about this, and about taking their changes into consideration. He had been working on the script for 4 years with Marvel, before he was kicked off, do you really think that whole time, he was telling Marvel to piss off?
Like I said, Edgar has been vocal about how much he tried to reconcile with Marvel, and that the breaking point was the drastic changes they were enforcing RIGHT before filming. Pretty much everyone knows Marvel is 100% in the wrong for dicking Edgar around. Ultimately, what happened was Edgar pitched something with a demo reel, and they flipped! They loved it. He wrote a script, they flipped! They loved it. They asked for some changes, he took those changes into consideration, and they flipped again!
Well for the course of years, they kept making him make changes, and he always agreed. Well a little before principal photography, they rewrote his script without him, and it apparently was 'unbelievably' shit. Absolutely crap. And Edgar said he was even game for the fact that they had changed his script without him, and that they wanted big changes. Ultimately, what angered him was two things, how crap it now was, and why did they waste 4 yrs of his time telling him how much they loved his script and vision?
I will dig for those Edgar quotes, but holy moley there is a lot to wade through, but its out there.
From last year:
It was always meant to be linked to the MCU, but the story itself was pretty much standalone (as was the case with Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk), which makes sense because the movie was in production since 2007.
Wasp was in the first few initial Avengers drafts, and was cut when they nailed down ScarJo's contract as the female lead, not because of Ant-Man. Do you really think they'd derail their entire franchise plans for a movie that very likely was going to be a big risk?
Are you posting from your phone and/or drunk?
No, just bad editing! I was going to expand on something about Watchman, changed my mind, and left the "how" in the sentence anyway. Whoops!
Marvel and Disney don't expect us to make the connection if they don't throw it blatantly at us. Why do you even think Thanos was in Guardians of the Galaxy? If you think about it, the movie could've easily worked without any of the Thanos scenes. All they needed to do was namedrop him maybe once since Gamora and the robot lady who's name I've forgotten are his adopted/forced daughters. But no, they needed to show he existed because then people would be like "Oh, we saw that guy in The Avengers, it all makes sense now!" Marvel is extremely obvious about shit like that.
I kinda liked it to be honest... and I say this as someone who doesn't like Rudd and had no interest in Ant-Man.
I'll definitely look forward to their next trailer.
I always felt as if, even if a movie in MCU is bad, it's carried by the strength of the overall phase. Much like a TV show. A few weak episodes in a season full of strong episodes still makes for a really good season (or a bad comic in a 7 part series).
Tying the movie into the MCU deeper not only brings brand recognition but also the "sequel but not a sequel" boost.
I'll definitely look forward to their next trailer.
I always felt as if, even if a movie in MCU is bad, it's carried by the strength of the overall phase. Much like a TV show. A few weak episodes in a season full of strong episodes still makes for a really good season (or a bad comic in a 7 part series).
Tying the movie into the MCU deeper not only brings brand recognition but also the "sequel but not a sequel" boost.
Hellraider
Member
Why the hell was the trailer so serious while having two comedic punchlines (if you could call them that) in between? Not to mention how ridiculous in concept it is anyway. That was terrible.
GreenRobot
Banned
http://screenrant.com/edgar-wright-ant-man-interview-marvel-movie/
Preshooting Antman, he talks about how its actually a bit more conventional, and is completely part of MCU.
Edit: Beaten to it! Whoops.
I feel like the intention was to have a teaser which looked, felt, and sounded like every other of the more "serious" Marvel films, and then Rudd's "huh" was supposed to turn the tables on that, along with his final line. But I don't think it really worked.
Black Republican
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First marvel flop
All these movies look the same.
I get that it's cool to have all the heroes in the same world and interact etc but they're just so generic.
Blue glass super office. wooo.
Someone should cut the trailer with a laughter track after "Huh.." and "Is it too late to change the name?"
I get that it's cool to have all the heroes in the same world and interact etc but they're just so generic.
Blue glass super office. wooo.
Someone should cut the trailer with a laughter track after "Huh.." and "Is it too late to change the name?"
pulga
Banned
Don't play victim, you have to understand why people might be starting to get chaffed with your M.O.
some might call them marketing blitzes
It's nothing personal, you seem like a good poster when not engaging in full blown Marvel PR guy. Anyway, we're getting completely out of track, let's go back to how much better this movie would be with Wright at the helm.
True Savior
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Looks as ugly and generic as you would expect from a Marvel film.
I thought we were supposed to get Paul Rudd riding ants and doing this:
Not talking to his daughter in bed while say says, "Daddy, are you a superhero?"
I want goof, not schmaltz!
Edgar Wright would've nailed it
Pretty much what it felt like to me. They just didn't get it right.
Problem is the comedic timing. The time between the huh and the punch line was just way too long.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
What? They were all very excellent, except maybe 1.
The GotG teaser with the prison lineup was great.
WarrenMax007
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Trailer was ok, but nothing special. Liked "Huh" and the ending. Rudd is awesome as always, costume looks cool, but CG sections with ants look pretty bad. I think it's early CG, so they get a pass.
I'm more positive than I expected after watching this trailer. I liked it, even if we saw way to little humor to see the general tone of the movie. And much depends on the comedic timing everybody has to nail with Wrights script.
It could still be very much a heist movie first and a comic origin story second btw, even if I doubt that at this point.
It could still be very much a heist movie first and a comic origin story second btw, even if I doubt that at this point.
Blue Ninja
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Yeah. They should've gone for something different than "EPIC MUSIC" in that case.
-Plasma Reus-
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That was an unremarkable trailer. Though I have no doubt the film will be good.
That was a BAD trailer, and it will reaffirm my suspicion that this will be the first Marvel film to flop. The second one being doctor strange. This trailer didn't sell the movie. It was just bad.
That was a BAD trailer, and it will reaffirm my suspicion that this will be the first Marvel film to flop. The second one being doctor strange. This trailer didn't sell the movie. It was just bad.
Well how many heroes you have in the MCU?? Why not has as much evil as you have good?
Seems also that the doom and gloom is already in full effect. Some are also eager to finally see a big (boxoffice) Marvel failure.
They fucked up the punchline at the end to show that it still has the marvel humor and were short on good action scenes in the trailer but i don't see how this already is major bomba.
duck put it in better words:
darkhunger
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They're probably not very far into the CG production yet... Which would explain why most of the scenes are just regular live action footage.
That or they don't want to oversell the silliness of the concept just yet.
People are definitely overreacting to a teaser though. Lots of crow will be eaten.
That or they don't want to oversell the silliness of the concept just yet.
People are definitely overreacting to a teaser though. Lots of crow will be eaten.
Wolves Evolve
Member
Marvel defenders need to chill out and realise that there's a lot of confusion about the trailer because it just wasn't that fun looking. The next trailer needs to be goofy as hell. We all know it.
Miles Quaritch
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Not a particularly great trailer, but then the first trailer for GoTG wasn't particularly inspiring either. Not feeling the daddy/daughter focus either, hopefully it's not too big a focus in the movie.
Side note, did anyone hear Ent Man from Douglas? He really garbled that line.
Side note, did anyone hear Ent Man from Douglas? He really garbled that line.
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