I mean it's still worth looking at, I could be entirely wrong. For all I know the df input is causing the first move to be cancelled out *shrug* I'm just offering theories based off my experience with the engine.
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I mean it's still worth looking at, I could be entirely wrong. For all I know the df input is causing the first move to be cancelled out *shrug* I'm just offering theories based off my experience with the engine.
Nah, it just the inputs don't reflect what ultradavid is trying to explain in his video. It probably has a small relation to it, but that's not the OS that makes me go "wtf?"
It's not that bad yet I think, we still don't know how it works and what you're actually going to be doing in a game. It's harder to gauge because NRS engines tell basic FG engine conventions to fuck off.
Getting EX moves without pressing block on hit only, though? Just... what?! That entire video goes from "oh, this can probably be explained" to "... I give up."
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The thing to remember about MKX though is that a LOT of strings across the whole cast have gaps in them between hits allowing you to armor through them and escape blockstrings if you burn meter for armor. This changes the corner game a lot and the pressure game mentality because it essentially means you can sorta alpha counter from anywhere. Timing is strict but its there if you wanna burn bar for armor to push em away. Sonya Blade is pretty good for testing out strings for gaps.
There are a lot of 50/50 and vortex setups in this game, but the stamina system and reliance on many solid BNB combos for it to be used on runups midcombos changes the flow and mindset a bit. Extending combos can come at the impact of mobility to the player meaning you could burn stamina only to get breakered into a slugfest. I know vs Ferra/Torr players if you try to over extend they are more than happy to breaker, lose their stamina meter and force a full on slugfest with you now unable to backdash away from trying to over extend a combo. In other words do you want to spend your stamina for longer combos or to break combos and either way are you the kind of player who can slug it out up close if you spend your stamina that way thus hampering your mobility? If you are comfortable with your high low blocking and ability to not fall for getting your inputs reverse on wakeup by a neutral jumper throwing a crossup then go for it...if not then run and gun and dont try to over extend...just augment with zoning and throws.
MKX has footsies and meter game to try and offset the amount of options folks could otherwise put you in the blender with. Plus in a game with combo breakers its generally nothing to worry about if you can start offense neatly enough considering it could very well be stopped short a couple of times in a round.
NRS is a different mindset entirely. More about the knockdown game and high low pressure than most and far less about the jump ins and crossups.
There are a lot of 50/50 and vortex setups in this game, but the stamina system and reliance on many solid BNB combos for it to be used on runups midcombos changes the flow and mindset a bit. Extending combos can come at the impact of mobility to the player meaning you could burn stamina only to get breakered into a slugfest. I know vs Ferra/Torr players if you try to over extend they are more than happy to breaker, lose their stamina meter and force a full on slugfest with you now unable to backdash away from trying to over extend a combo. In other words do you want to spend your stamina for longer combos or to break combos and either way are you the kind of player who can slug it out up close if you spend your stamina that way thus hampering your mobility? If you are comfortable with your high low blocking and ability to not fall for getting your inputs reverse on wakeup by a neutral jumper throwing a crossup then go for it...if not then run and gun and dont try to over extend...just augment with zoning and throws.
MKX has footsies and meter game to try and offset the amount of options folks could otherwise put you in the blender with. Plus in a game with combo breakers its generally nothing to worry about if you can start offense neatly enough considering it could very well be stopped short a couple of times in a round.
NRS is a different mindset entirely. More about the knockdown game and high low pressure than most and far less about the jump ins and crossups.
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yo anime?
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MKX streams have been getting great numbers. I saw someone's house stream with 8-9K this morning.
Is this already done?
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SolarKnight
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Man MKX is pretty fun offline with friends but it really annoys me how it feels like I just can't hit confirm specials at all and I have to throw them out before knowing it'll hit or not :|
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So it's going to replace UMvC3 then... I can understand for MvC3 you might have more things to take care of in terms of netcode (assists, etc), but a 1v1 fighter? How hard can it be to make decent netcode..
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Uh, I think you either misread or misquoted, I'm not talking about the netcode.
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Oh whooops I read for a sec that you said it's tough to hit confirm online, my bad..
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Even offline you have to input some things way ahead of time in NRS games. I think that's what he's talking about.
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I feel the same way.
Dunno if Oneida will see this but I will finally start playing Virtua Fighter. Been watching a couple VF5 streams and I was blown away. That aside which game do VF players like the most? I have Evo (plus 1 remake) and will take advantage of the tutorial and hope to get FS not too far down the line.
hey that's good news man. some really strong players have emerged in NA after only picking up the game last year, so i hope you don't feel like it's too late to learn the game.
VF4EVO is widely regarded as the best VF game (discounting 4FT which never got a console port and is a bitch to emulate). that said, 5FS is easily one of the best entries in the series.
if you haven't watched this video it is an invaluable resource for learning the game. lots of really great information, i watched this video 3 years ago and still revisit it regularly to freshen up. let me know if you have any questions at all about the game.
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I agree, you really just have to input everything ahead of time. Usually I just try to use stuff that ends me relatively safe on the ender, but if I know I got a punish like someone messing up a teleport I try to go for the real thing. Though playing sub-zero, if people are fighting around the clone, it's hilarious if they accidentally hit it when trying to hit me when I have them in the corner, so sometimes I feel I can go stupid and throw out the overhead in that situation.
Do you have a link to this particular video?
I did the media blackout thing for like two weeks and said screw it. The developer placed so much content in the game that it's impossible to spoil everything prior to purchasing said game.
Gunslinger
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I like playing MK way more than watching it. SF or Marvel is way more fun to watch IMO. I play SF also. Anyone find MK X mega boring to watch but like playing it a lot?
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I feel like Juri's tiger knee dive kicks would be infinitely easier on a hitbox.
Yata AoC stream http://www.twitch.tv/team_exe
I'm 3 entries into GT's "Top 10 Mortal Kombatants We Want to See" and I am cracking the fuck up
this must be a troll
this must be a troll
Pretty expected then.
his stream definitely went downhill after that whole Spooky debacle.
holy hell, they really went in on this one. i lost it when they mention the scooby gang coming in to dismember people lol
again? what the hell happened?
a couple of them are straight up trolls like the buffy one but a few of them are honestly great ideas cause itll be great for the series itself and the series for the cameo character. seeing the
terminator
green ranger
some of their choices are so fucking out of left field i honestly think it might be a troll
https://youtu.be/7rSoL2pMfBA
Not a whole lot to it, just putting the idea out there to give it a go. I usually go in pretty blind with everything, figure out as much as I can on my own and then fill in the gaps with youtube.
What'd be interesting is say doing a combo video but add a disclaimer that you haven't looked at anyone else's work. Then see who else had the same ideas and if there's anything original there.
this is really interesting, might do this for the next fg i get into. also that music creeps me the fuck out, sounds like some crazy conspiracy video background music...
I seriously want to make a conspiracy theory video (like thruthiracy) about SF. It'd be easy as shit.
Perfect example of thinking you are bigger than you really are.
I think it's referring only to the last hit of the string you're looking at. For the frame data of the opener, check the first page of the moves list.
Either way I've heard the frame data is incorrect.
I haven't played yet...does this result in throwing out punishable stuff?
It definitely doesn't seem correct. There are a few moves that are punishable that are listed as 0 on block.
Well, no major for this game has yet happened so I guess he's right. After all he wasn't that active in MK9.
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That PDP tournament for MK0 was held by PDP or was it held NetherRealm Studios? Just curious that's the only big MK tournament outside of EVO right?
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All this mk talk is painful x.x
I like it but it's so far from anime that I have to remind myself beautiful colors still exist out there. Excited for Thursday though :>