If there was a different Kingpin, I'd use him more in the film.
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Rumor: Marvel considering adding Kingpin in Spider-Man: Homecoming
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If there was a different Kingpin, I'd use him more in the film.
cj_iwakura
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Great idea.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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I don't know about this. When I was growing up the Kingpin was a huge character in Spider-Man comics and D'Onofrio is by far the best Marvel villain so far but I fear his inclusion in a Spidey movie could diminish his stature and make him less threatening because of the lighter tone and humor the movie will probably have. On the other hand if this could lead to Daredevil appearing as a guest star in a movie down the line, sign me up.
The smart move would be to take a gangland approach and have a bunch of different crime lords with one as the main antagonist. Mr.Negative, Tombstone, etc.
Aztechnology
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That is the one problem I could see with this. It might be weird to see a guy who we've seen decapitate people with a car door and using people to brutally murder rival prison gangs show up as a villain in a bloodless PG-13 blockbuster.
Hot Coldman
Banned
YES. Fisk wants to own the streets, no way his ego would let him ignore some kid apprehending his goons whilst wearing pyjamas.
"When asked why the Avengers arent showing up on the show despite Hives scheme to build an army of brainwashed Inhumans, Bennet took a jab at the folks behind the MCU films, saying:
'I dont know. People who make movies for Marvel, why dont you acknowledge what happens on our show? Why dont you guys go ask them that? Cause they dont seem to care!'"
Instead of saying those guys are too good for my crappy little show, she pouts and says ask Marvel. Even if the big names were contractually obligated to show up if asked I doubt Marvel would want to pay them to do it. Besides if they made an appearance it would only tie the show to the movies more closely. I doubt they want bad TV show writers having any real sway on the direction they take with inhumans.
I'm fine with this approach as well. I mean, we are getting people worked up about Kingpin when you have a franchise featuring a great assortment of antagonists.
I'd like Spider-Man to do his thing. Kingpin only being a very small portion of this or referenced in his universe.
...or he can be Uncle Ben.
Season 1 wasn't particularly noteworthy until the tie-in with The Winter Soldier, which wasn't until near the very end of the season, but was the start of actual good episodes. Season 2 was the best overall. Season 3 was a mixed bag, largely underwhelming with too much emphasis on romantic subplots, but still better than pre-TWS S1.
Either way, the ratings have been declining for a while now, and if indeed none of the shows or their characters will be acknowledged by the films, then there's not really all that much of a point to continuing it (the current expectation is that season 4 will likely be the last, as that was as many as Marvel required to produce enough episodes for syndication).
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Yep, that's what I'm afraid of, I don't want them to neuter D'Onofrio. I was actually a little bit disappointed with the Kingpin in Daredevil season 1 because I thought he wasn't as threatening as he could be but my opinion changed with that incredible confontation with Murdock in prison in season 2. I can't see a character this brutal in a Spider-Man movie, it would be like Heath Ledger's Joker showing up in Raimi's Spider-Man. Oh well, I love how Spidey was handled in Civil War so I will give Marvel the benefit of the doubt.
clay_ghost
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Put him still in prison and controlling his gang outside will be great enough. There is no need for a extended roles, even just an scene of him documenting down potential threats to his empire and him calling some goons to try to beat up Spider-man will be enough. General audiences will only know that Spider-Man have passed out the crime lords and fans will be overjoyed with the appearance.
All in all kingpin won't be shown as too R rated yet still stays in character.
Hot Coldman
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I think Tombstone should be the villain (played by Denzel) but having a scene where he discusses how to squash the Spider featuring Hammerhead (Jon Hamm) and D'Onofrio's Kingpin would be brilliant.
And get a post-credits scene in there where he meets Daredevil.
And get a post-credits scene in there where he meets Daredevil.
Unless he's in prison pulling strings for the main villain, I wouldn't want him in there. I don't want Spidey making the only good villain in the Marvel Universe so far looking like a clowndick.
Maybe he pulls the strings and Spidey never finds out who the puppet master is. I'd be ok with that.
Maybe he pulls the strings and Spidey never finds out who the puppet master is. I'd be ok with that.
If they use D’Onofrio and connect Daredevil to the MCU, they would have to keep the outcome in such a way that doesn't affect the show too much. At least, I hope so. *Daredevil s2 spoilers*
Will the Spider-Man movie come out after Daredevil S3?
One thing I think would work great is how the show portrays Fisk's anger. If he tried to use that anger against Spider-Man (which I'm sure Spidey would bring out with his snarkiness), thinking he could just bull rush him into submission, I would be interested to see how the movie handles it. Obviously Spidey wouldn't have a problem in a fight against him, but the dynamic would be interesting. Would Fisk be able to control his anger and use his considerable means to have Spider-Man dealt with, knowing he couldn't do it himself?
As much as The Hand is a major villain group in season 2, Fisk is still the "main" overarching threat to Matt and friends, especially with Wilson threatening basically to kill them all when he gets out.
Will the Spider-Man movie come out after Daredevil S3?
If not, they are going to have to explain in the movie and show how/when he gets out of prison and rises to his "Kingpin" status again outside of jail. I could see it causing a serious mess, especially for people that only watch the movie (which by %, is probably most). Unless he's going to have more of a cameo or at least somewhat minor appearance, which is what I expect.
One thing I think would work great is how the show portrays Fisk's anger. If he tried to use that anger against Spider-Man (which I'm sure Spidey would bring out with his snarkiness), thinking he could just bull rush him into submission, I would be interested to see how the movie handles it. Obviously Spidey wouldn't have a problem in a fight against him, but the dynamic would be interesting. Would Fisk be able to control his anger and use his considerable means to have Spider-Man dealt with, knowing he couldn't do it himself?
I was watching DD S2E10 while reading this.
I'd be all for it unless something happens that prevents it. The Mandarin propaganda videos and execution broadcast, the Golmira stuff in IM1 and other things in the MCU were pretty dark already. So maybe Fisk simply crushes heads off-screen.
I'd be all for it unless something happens that prevents it. The Mandarin propaganda videos and execution broadcast, the Golmira stuff in IM1 and other things in the MCU were pretty dark already. So maybe Fisk simply crushes heads off-screen.
Hot Coldman
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Who says he will, though? That kind of manipulative gangland boss can be written as a Spidey foe without undermining them - look at how Tombstone was handled in Spectacular Spider-Man, and that was a kids show.
Salty Rice
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Sho_Nuff82
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It's not like a crime boss is a difficult thing to introduce in 5 minutes of screen time.
Triggerhappytel
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Yeah, I actually think he'd be better not acting as the main villain, but more like the mastermind in the background pulling the strings. And it would tie the Marvel series and the MCU together, and it would give them a great villain because he was written brilliantly. Let's do this. There are no downsides.
He's got the power to smash a man's head in with a car door.
Triggerhappytel
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Double post, sorry.
DeaconKnowledge
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On the contrary, I think the worst part of Kingpin in that awful Daredevil movie was that he was supposed to be some big shot but you never saw what made him so respected and feared.
You don't need a big exposition to have Kingpin in the movie, but his actions will have weight because those who have watched the show will know how powerful and vicious he is. Subtext can be a powerful thing.
It's far from terrible. It's not The Wire or anything, but it can still be plenty entertaining, fun & exciting. It starts off pretty mediocre & forgettable, but by the end of Season 1 it's pretty good thanks to some pretty awesome twists & turns. S2 is mostly really good. S3 has some pacing issues and having followed it weekly it feels a bit aimless at times, but that's probably less of an issue if one binge-watches it now that S3 is over.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Sure, I don't doubt that they could find a way to make him work. I wouldn't mind him in the background pulling the strings of some villains. I just don't want to see Spidey defeat him while cracking jokes, that would diminish his appearances in future Daredevil seasons.
paragonpro
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Oh my god please do it. It would be so cool to have him be in the beggining of the movie as spiderman is stopping a crime while the title plays. It would be an amazing addition
What a dumb thing to say. She's not even advocating only for herself to be added, but lamenting ALL tv/netflix stuff missing altogether from the movies (except Agent Carter) and even Netflix <-> TV not being a thing, so there's no entitlement there. She's just venting frustrations that pretty much a lot of fans share. The movies don't even comment or have the tiniest easter eggs about the tv/netflix shows. Would it have killed Civil War to mention the Inhumans that are already known to at least some higher-up people on Earth?
Seriously? Have you seen what MCU Spider-Man is capable off? Daredevil kicked Kingpin's ass (albeit barely), he should be a cakewalk for Spider-Man. Dude caught Winter Soldier's punch like it was nothing AND cracked a joke about it. One movie earlier, Cap had to block the same punch with his shield and it strained him.
hendersonhank
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An average-sized out of shape pudgy guy should have literally nothing for Spiderman in a fight. Hopefully they would just use him as a schemer.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Yes, that's exactly my point. I'm ok with Kingpin being a behind the scenes villain but I don't want to see him fight Spider-Man because he would lose and be made fun of, which would make him less threatening in future Daredevil seasons.
JimJamJones
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Physically, yes. As a pupper master, nah.
Itchy//Tasty
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My ONE biggest dream goal for the MCU is to have the TV stuff cross over, even if it's just a little bit. Do it Marvel. The contracts, the scheduling, the logistics, the timing, the writing. Just goddamn do it
It would be totally awesome if we see Kingpin sitting in his cell, drinking his wine from a plastic cup, sitting with thugs...
"A man with a skull painted on his shirt killing my business, the devil of Hells Kitchen destroys my operations and now even a little boy in his pyjama's becomes a thorn in my side. I want him gone. No, better yet, I want him DEAD. Do you hear my Alistair? Don't disappoint me like your father did."
"Of course Mr. Fisk, I have a little project going that could help me with that particular goal"
"A man with a skull painted on his shirt killing my business, the devil of Hells Kitchen destroys my operations and now even a little boy in his pyjama's becomes a thorn in my side. I want him gone. No, better yet, I want him DEAD. Do you hear my Alistair? Don't disappoint me like your father did."
"Of course Mr. Fisk, I have a little project going that could help me with that particular goal"
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