PeterLegend
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Dafuq, you might as well add in PS2 and PS3 numbers into the PS4 total sales bruh LOL
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Dafuq, you might as well add in PS2 and PS3 numbers into the PS4 total sales bruh LOL
The Mad Draklor
Member
With the kind of lineup it's having for next year, very unlikely...
Bitch Pudding
Member
thanks man, we all needed this.
InquisitorAles
Member
I don't even have Xbox, so no, i don't.
I'm not the first one who said this, even on previous page, but people still quoting only my post for some reasons. Guys, this is just my thought, and i didn't even said that it WILL definitely reach 100+ million copies sold, but there is always a chance that Microsoft will somehow turn things around, just like Sony did with PS3.
Technically speaking hanspampel started the chain
Man, how many times will people keep saying this without understanding that Xbox isn't a strong global brand?
PeterLegend
Member
Sony never made up ground in the US with the PS3, but they did worldwide.
PS4 having a strong presence in the US is very important to Sony.
PS4 having a strong presence in the US is very important to Sony.
Problem with this logic is that Xbox does not have the same global presence Playstation has. Which is why they focused on US/UK market - their strongest market and still they are trailing behind.
Software sales mean more to publishers and COD being down 50% YOY is not good.
On the HW side, if WindowCentral's numbers are correct (and the reporter seems to have done his due diligence. He got the numbers from a source that is not crapgamer/Mooch.), then the installbase of PS4+XB1 is ~30m. At this same point for PS360, the install base was ~22m. Yes, it seems to be down significantly YOY, but that down YOY looks to be coming down to PS360 levels. Not a terrible result.
(In a world where WC's numbers are used...)
On the HW side, if WindowCentral's numbers are correct (and the reporter seems to have done his due diligence. He got the numbers from a source that is not crapgamer/Mooch.), then the installbase of PS4+XB1 is ~30m. At this same point for PS360, the install base was ~22m. Yes, it seems to be down significantly YOY, but that down YOY looks to be coming down to PS360 levels. Not a terrible result.
(In a world where WC's numbers are used...)
Agree that this a bold statement. They are at ~ 25m. And they do sell probably less than 10m a year ww. This would take 7 or more years. And in this sector technology advances to fast and things change to fast to look that far into the future.
What he was trying to say was that every MS console from now on could be a XBO - so that number is possible.
But we don't know how the upgrades will work out. Neither for Xbox, nor for Playstation.
GFK seems to combine Ps4 Pro and PS4 based on the current UK info we got.
NPD will probably handle it the same. Afaik Mediacontrol doesn't also differentiate.
When those companies don't do it - we are stuck with manufactor announcements. And they will always have some kind of spin. Like in the old "Playstation familly" days.
Anyways: This is a NPD thread - not a discussion about ww sales. Discussion should be about the US only, IMO.
XBox Play Anywhere, means that XBox Family is now over 400M this generation! Behold the power of the Windows 10 App Store! Take that Playstation family.
InquisitorAles
Member
Even strong brands can be damaged, PSN hack in 2011 damaged brand reputation, Xbox reveal damaged brand reputation, Palmer Lucky scandal damaged Oculus Rift reputation. We can't predict what will happen in the future, maybe Sony will go crazy and do something really wrong like streaming only console, Microsoft will release Win 11 with amazing store and suddenly start to care about non US/UK market, or Nintendo will burn both Sony and Microsoft with 200+ millions Switch sales in 2 years. Shit happens, so I'm not going to predict 100% what will happen next, strong this brand or not. Remember about "the age of Sony is done", for example.
You're kind of missing the point that Xbox is not a strong global brand.
EventHorizon
Member
Including Scorpio sales with the base XB1 absolutely should be done, but we have to realize that hardware console sales are more complicated now and might not be directly comparable to prior generations. For one thing, Microsoft has strongly hinted, if not said outright, that Scorpio will be getting VR games that the base XB1 will not. A new more powerful console with its own set of exclusive games sure does start to sound like a new console generation. The fact is that it is somewhere in between which is why it's more complicated and might be comparing apples to oranges with prior gens.
Probably the best case is to count the Scorpio as an XB1 at launch, but sometime down the road switch it to the next 9th gen if Microsoft significantly cuts support for the base XB1. Same should be true for the Pro if games start releasing exclusively for it and ignoring the base model.
Probably the best case is to count the Scorpio as an XB1 at launch, but sometime down the road switch it to the next 9th gen if Microsoft significantly cuts support for the base XB1. Same should be true for the Pro if games start releasing exclusively for it and ignoring the base model.
Rikimaru82
Member
People need to understand that the PS4 pro is just a PS4. Nothing more, nothing less. The Scorpio is not XBO. It's a new gen for Microsoft and they will ditch the XBO once the Scorpio drops. It's Microsoft we are talking about here. People who are stating or believing otherwise don't seem to understand what they have been doing all the years they have been in the console business
Norse
Member
Hey, I think you may have something there! LoL
If the US combined sales of xbone/ps4 sales are at 30mil at this point, that means if 15 people buy a console, 8 are ps4 and 7 are xbone. Hardly dominant.
2blackcats
Member
You're wrong there.
Uno Venova
Banned
I just wanted to say you're my new favorite.
Rikimaru82
Member
How so? Please do tell
Crimson_Gold
Member
Hindle without the pomp and grandeur.
I don't see Xbox hitting 50 million. Likely will shift to focus solely on Scorpio in early 2018 due to "customer demand and enthusiasm"
Norse
Member
The fact it is reported that Scorpio and xbone will run the same games just as ps4 and pro do. Or haven't you heard?
Chiggs
Gold Member
Don't really believe these numbers, but if they are true then it sort of bodes well for Microsoft. Without the Pro it is unlikely Sony would have taken the month.
But those numbers...ugh. Not a great showing for either Sony or Microsoft considering it's a drop YoY.
What Phil Spencer said was pretty clear. Xbox One won't get left out, Scorpio doesn't get Scorpio only games (besides the VR shizzle where nothing at all is clear an we don't even know how it works and which headset will be uesed). That is all that we know currently.
So Scorpio is just a better XBO like the Ps4 Pro.
That is just you interpretation. And you can't back it up with official statements.
Nothing is known about Scorpio right now. Besides the 6TF claim/goal and some rumours/assumptions about 12 GB Ram according to a rendermovie. What will be the price? Which CPU is gonna be used? The console is 1 year away! How can you claim that this is a new start while MS officials say differently?
You could be eventually right - but right now there are no infos about this - that is just your interpretation. People just don't understand ... well. Those people don't have the insight you have, right? According to MS Scorpio will be a XBO. I'd trust them more than your analysis.
InquisitorAles
Member
An my point that even strong brands can be burned by bad marketing.
Exactly. Difference between X1 and Scorpio is indeed huge, but Microsoft still pushes them as same console, so they will do the same in NPD.
There's going to be a significant challenge marketing the Scorpio with that "No one left behind" messaging. It's a much, much bigger leap than PS4 to PS4 Pro was and we've seen how Sony has danced around it marketing wise. Once Microsoft shows off a game on Scorpio and people see how it runs and looks on Xbox One i'm curious to see how that's not being left behind with that technology. The old laptop analogy is a good one.
Hawk269
Member
Well, no one knows for sure, but if what you are saying is that the Scorpio is the launch of a new generation and the Xbox One will be ditched, there is really no evidence of any software that is under development that would be ONLY on Scorpio. If MS to your belief is going to launch Scorpio as a new generation and XBO is dropped, then MS would need to have a line-up of Scorpio ONLY games ready for launch. I don't see that happening and I don't know of any games that are being made that are only for Scorpio.
Granted there are always surprises that we may not be aware of, but a typical new console has anywhere from 12-20 launch titles, I doubt that that many games are under wraps for a launch that is about 11 months or so away.
Humdinger
Member
Oh, okay, so maybe reliable numbers after all, then.
Jon Carter
Member
I'm getting flashbacks of, "You can't judge the Vita before it's had its first holiday season," or "Super Mario 3D World will save the Wii U." It's been a whole three years, after numerous price drops, deals, models, major first- and third-party software releases, and we're not in the dark concerning the future - we have a good idea of what games are coming and what the Scorpio is. There's nothing even remotely suggesting a comeback is possible at this point in its cycle. It's too late to turn it around any more than Microsoft already has. The numbers you see now are already the result of Microsoft turning things around. The Xbox One would be selling a lot worse if Microsoft hadn't done a pretty decent job after the system's disastrous unveiling.
Rikimaru82
Member
How so? Please do tell
Edit. Double post
You're still not getting it. The Xbox has never had a strong global brand. Only within North America and the UK. Maybe Germany once upon a time? Everywhere else? Forget it.
Rikimaru82
Member
You said it yourself. 11 months away. Many titles can be spread over XBO and the Scorpio. Seeing MS has nothing in the pipline it could very well be something they are saving for the Scorpio. And there was no evidence the XB and X360 would be ditched that fast but they did
InquisitorAles
Member
So what's the problem for MS to continue turning things around? It's not like they did everything they could to improve situation, and it's not like people will suddenly stop buying their console next year, just like people continue to buy regular PS4 after PS4 Pro released.
And I'm not talking only about Xbox brand, I'm talking about all brands in general.
Birgitte2004
Member
I am more annoyed that people think the PS3 had a turnaround.
They didn't, at least not significant enough that you can really point at it.
They came out of the gate in US/UK getting dominated by 360, and that continued the entire gen.
They came out of the gate in EU/JP dominating the 360, and that continued the entire gen.
There may be small changes here and there, but nothing that's anywhere close to a "turnaround".
You said it yourself. 11 months away. Many titles can be spread over XBO and the Scorpio. Seeing MS has nothing in the pipline it could very well be something they are saving for the Scorpio. And there was no evidence the XB and X360 would be ditched that fast but they did
You still don't get it. There isn't going to be spread titles. If a title is coming out for "Xbox" it *has to* come out for both the One and Scorpio like it *has to* come out for PS4 and Pro (as far as we know, what you are saying has never been said by anyone at MS/Xbox)
Rikimaru82
Member
Fair point, but you miss the point that my interpitation is based on what MS have been doing in the past. Not only with Xbox, but also with their Windows platform.
If they do keep their word than I would be happy for all the XBO owners as they won't be left behind.
Rikimaru82
Member
Last time I checked it was MS who said it's up to the developers how they bring out their games. Could be I missed something, but until MS proves me otherwise I will stick to what I believe MS will do. I base that on their past actions
Xbone will most likely barely pass 40 if MS is lucky.
RichiRamjag
Member
But you're essentially saying nothing and repeating it over and over. Then speaking of a hypothetical situation where the PS brand is majorly damaged worldwide. It's just a bunch of rubbish tbh.
MS is gonna be fine either way.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Do you think that closing the 1 years sales gap they had came without changing the strategy they launched with?
Hence, the turnaround
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
I don't see what this has to do with Xbox's lack of strength around the globe. And based on your subsequent replies, you truly don't get it.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Scorpio is not a new generation.
Scorpio is an Xbox One
Microsoft has said this several times on record
It is a better, more powerful implementation of the PS4 Pro concept, nothing more.
For it to be a new generation it would require exclusive games. The closest thing you will get to exclusive Scorpio games are Vive/Occulus titles (quite the monetary investment coupled with Scorpio) because OG Xbox One isn't speced high enough for those headsets and Microsoft didn't develop their own bespoke VR solution.
Scorpio is only a next generation Xbox according to persons not called Microsoft, if you get my drift
FANBOIZ
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I do have an issue with the "better" qualifier you used there as it will come out a year after PS4 Pro. More powerful sure, but how is it better per se?
Astral Dog
Member
The PS4 Simply has the vest lineup if games of thw two next gen systems.
and the vest hardware for now
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
It should have a UHD Blu Ray drive, for one. That is a net positive.
Rikimaru82
Member
And MS has been truthfull all this yeas now has it? 😉... A bit strange to anounce a new console/upgrade more than a year away don't you think?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Oh, so you are talking speculation about Scorpio not at all based on facts?
That is a totally different discussion that tons of people would be happy to engage in with you.
Although I must say an NPD thread probably isn't the best place to discuss hopes, dreams and pixie dust 😉