If it roasts feminism like Portlandia roasts feminism, that isn't objectionable to me.
So you'll like it as long as it's not funny?
If it roasts feminism like Portlandia roasts feminism, that isn't objectionable to me.
No, it's a drop in the bucket. This hasn't really blown up in the video game press because the video game press has spent years desperately trying to pretend that GG doesn't exist, so there's no real incentive for MS to drop it.
If the game's story is just pedestrian dystopia stuff, and as long as the creator doesn't go full Palmer Lucky, I say it all blows over. If however the plot is "problematic" then I expect that reviews will make a note of it, and it could very well be one of these things that jumps the "games press" and hits mainstream media.
Regardless of the content, the creator has to be pretty much silent going forward. Has he said anything since his "crisis management team" style letter?
It is funny how no one ever calls out that show, even though the message is "feminists can overreach and be really silly sometimes", which I think would be construed as a hate message if it were coming from someone else.Ah, yes, a game from Gamergaters will have the same kind of feminism message as the TV show involving the member of Sleater-Kinney.
Lmao
Ha.So you'll like it as long as it's not funny?
He has liked a bunch of gamergate tweets along with the writer so not really.
It is funny how no one ever calls out that show, even though the message is "feminists can overreach and be really silly sometimes", which I think would be construed as a hate message if it were coming from someone else.
Anyway I don't think it would be like Portlandia. I'm bringing that up because some amount of feminism roasting is clearly acceptable in mainstream liberal society. Just saying you're going to skewer feminism doesn't necessarily make you a hateful bigot, but people are bringing it up like it closes the case.
TLN could be hateful, but just declaring feminism as a target doesn't automatically make it so. As I said, you sure could be right, but I'm waiting until the product is out there to decide.
Ha.
It is funny how no one ever calls out that show, even though the message is "feminists can overreach and be really silly sometimes", which I think would be construed as a hate message if it were coming from someone else.
Anyway I don't think it would be like Portlandia. I'm bringing that up because some amount of feminism roasting is clearly acceptable in mainstream liberal society. Just saying you're going to skewer feminism doesn't necessarily make you a hateful bigot, but people are bringing it up like it closes the case.
TLN could be hateful, but just declaring feminism as a target doesn't automatically make it so. As I said, you sure could be right, but I'm waiting until the product is out there to decide.
Ha.
Yeah, and he's been forced to repent since then. As long as he repents, the game itself is what matters, so let's see what it is.The dude literally tweeted #gamergate when he was explaining the anti-feminist message of the game. I don't understand why this is rocket science for some. He still associates with gamergaters.
Yeah, and he's been forced to repent since then. As long as he repents, the game itself is what matters, so let's see what it is.
I agree that favoriting those tweets is really pushing it.
This is really simple: if it comes out and people say "yes it is as bad as we feared" then he doesn't get my money.
As I said, he's pushing it.Yes because repenting means liking posts by gamergaters telling him he did nothing wrong and shouldn't have apologized.
Yes because repenting means liking posts by gamergaters telling him he did nothing wrong and shouldn't have apologized.
Its not like buying this game day one is funding the bombing of civilians with white phosphorus in the middle east or the apartheid of palestinians
His twitter likes over the past 24 h don't really tell a strong "repentance" story.
Doesn't seem like his apology is sincere. Of course developers are human and naturally we have some who harber weird and bigotted thoughts.
Remember when our beloved Fumito Ueda had this to say when asked why The Last Gaurdian's main character isn't a girl?
"the team ended up going with a boy. The reason: they thought it would be more realistic that he would have enough grip strength to be able to climb around, and because they wouldn't have to worry about camera angles with a girl who wears a skirt."
That's almost textbook sexism right there. But the way it was worded clearly shows the real issue; the obliviousness to it all. Most probably a result of growing up in an environment where that train of thought is considered normal.
Anyways, game looks incredible and absolutely up my alley, but this revelation threw a wrench in the works.
That's certainly clear. Now that he's out of the E3 spotlight and feels like it's starting to blow over he's right back to virtual high-fiving Gamergaters on twitter. Whatever tiny benefit of a doubt I was willing to give him is gone. I don't even care anymore if the game turns out to be free of any misogynist bullshit. I just don't feel comfortable giving support to someone unwilling to renounce a hate group.Doesn't seem like his apology is sincere. Of course developers are human and naturally we have some who harber weird and bigotted thoughts.
Remember when our beloved Fumito Ueda had this to say when asked why The Last Gaurdian's main character isn't a girl?
"the team ended up going with a boy. The reason: they thought it would be more realistic that he would have enough grip strength to be able to climb around, and because they wouldn't have to worry about camera angles with a girl who wears a skirt."
That's almost textbook sexism right there. But the way it was worded clearly shows the real issue; the obliviousness to it all. Most probably a result of growing up in an environment where that train of thought is considered normal.
Anyways, game looks incredible and absolutely up my alley, but this revelation threw a wrench in the works.
I don't even care anymore if the game turns out to be free of any misogynist bullshit. I just don't feel comfortable giving support to someone unwilling to renounce a hate group.
Hahaha. This is just sad tbhHis twitter likes over the past 24 h don't really tell a strong "repentance" story.
You are severely underestimating misogyny.Yeah, and he's been forced to repent since then. As long as he repents, the game itself is what matters, so let's see what it is.
I agree that favoriting those tweets is really pushing it.
This is really simple: if it comes out and people say "yes it is as bad as we feared" then he doesn't get my money.
They are both equal in being big issues, regardless of how much actual hate or disingenuity is involved.There is a canyon-wide distance between the two. This false equivalency is absurd.
Cyberpunk is my fav setting and the trailer was absolutely beautiful. You can imagine how excited I was. Then I started reading up on the premise and the developer... and I'm immediately pulled back to earth.That's certainly clear. Now that he's out of the E3 spotlight and feels like it's starting to blow over he's right back to virtual high-fiving Gamergaters on twitter. Whatever tiny benefit of a doubt I was willing to give him is gone. I don't even care anymore if the game turns out to be free of any misogynist bullshit. I just don't feel comfortable giving support to someone unwilling to renounce a hate group.
Mr. Soret, the maker of the game, is really in an awkward place. The twitter reaction is very hateful, especially from the #gg guys who say he "gave in to the crybabies" and lost his principles for money, while at the same time there is a lot of hate comments from the other side saying he only "apologized for show and the money" (paraphrasing in both cases).
It's somewhat understandable that he's pretty much between a rock and a hard place now with the way he maneuvered his public statements in the past, but I hope he can see how much excitement the game trailer has brought to so many people, too.
I am pretty appalled by some of the stuff from him that was posted in this thread, but I'm generally willing to give people a second chance and I can't believe how threatening people can get over games.
I hope I will never be the victim of social media abuse, but that pretty much means staying neutral/silent even at the point where your voice matters (having a lot of followers). Especially with the political turmoil of the last year that seems very hard a task.
Shit, seeing games all coming from the same point of view gets boring after a while, no?
And if this game is anti-progressive or anti-feminist etc, that could be very interesting, very entertaining
It would certainly be totally original in the video game space.
Drop the game.
If the premise is literally that feminism is evil and created a dark dystopic future, with no irony... you might as well retitle it "GamerGate is the the truth".
JonTron wants to cleanse the gene pool. That's not ignorance. That's hatred.
I would rather not see giant companies legitimize hate speech and actively work towards the regression of the video game medium, because that is what this shit does.
It also normalizes this shit.
Why?
So you're all for hate speech normalized in media because it's "original". Okay.
Drop the game.
If the premise is literally that feminism is evil and created a dark dystopic future, with no irony... you might as well retitle it "GamerGate is the the truth".
It's in the OP, he said the story and world is based around those ideas.I wasn't aware that he had committed any hate speech. If he has that's not in the OP. I haven't read the whole thread. Can you point that out? Has he harassed people or advocated violence etc?
And as for the game, there is no evidence that there is any hate speech in it whatsoever. Again, look at my examples. Mel Gibson can make movies free of anti-semitism, Houellebecq wrote a magnificent novel untouched by his islamophobia. Is this game really legitimising hate speech? How? Where?
Eh, he isn't owed our full attention. He chose to associate his game with gross views like that, so I think it is reasonable for most people to not want to discern just how gamergatey it is.We really have to see the final product because we don't know what that means yet.
If it roasts feminism like Portlandia roasts feminism, that isn't objectionable to me. It could turn out to be to feminism what Demolition Man was to PC culture. Or it could even be far less than that.
If it's actually sexist or anti-woman, then I worry.
Yeah I have read his tweets. Right now I'd put the chances of it being harmless (to me) at about 50-50. I definitely have my line in the sand where I would tap out.
There is nothing inherently wrong with believing that feminism is evil.
It's in the OP, he said the story and world is based around those ideas.
Replace feminism with black or Mexican.
You see what's wrong with it now?
I wasn't aware that he had committed any hate speech. If he has that's not in the OP. I haven't read the whole thread. Can you point that out? Has he harassed people or advocated violence etc?
And as for the game, there is no evidence that there is any hate speech in it whatsoever. Again, look at my examples. Mel Gibson can make movies free of anti-semitism, Houellebecq wrote a magnificent novel untouched by his islamophobia. Is this game really legitimising hate speech? How? Where?
There is nothing inherently wrong with believing that feminism is evil. It's a differing viewpoint from most here, but a viewpoint is all it is. Depending on what the person saying that defines feminism is would be what determines how extreme a view it is, but if you want to sit at home and think that all day, go right ahead. Gamegate, on the other hand, was wrong because of the harassment, not because of their dislike of feminism. It was created to bully women out of the industry starting with Zoe Quinn, that was its raison d'etre. If it was a bunch of guys who railed against feminism in games in long-winded blog posts or whatnot and never harassed anyone, there'd be no problem. They'd also have nothing to rail against, as explicit feminism in console games is pretty non-existent, but there you go.
There is nothing inherently wrong with believing that feminism is evil.
WhatThere is nothing inherently wrong with believing that feminism is evil.
smh, yes there is a lot wrong.
Also why do dudes rush into these thread with the oh I DIDN'T KNOW! PLEASE SHOW ME, SHIT. So insincere. Let's be real, you're going to go to bat for your boy anyway , either because you low key believe the shit he's saying or you wanna play devils advocate.
What
It's like saying there's nothing inherently wrong with believing that men and women should be equal. Actually it's not like saying that, it is saying.
What the fuck man
Replace feminism with black or Mexican.
You see what's wrong with it now?
EDIT: "Feminism is evil" is in itself sexist because it implies that you believe that women just need to shut up about how hard it is to be a woman.
Griss is not an intellectually honest poster and is not conversing in good faith. I wouldn't recommend carrying a conversation with him.
Yeah, use of pro-abortion vs. Pro choice fucking stinks.Griss is not an intellectually honest poster and is not conversing in good faith. I wouldn't recommend carrying a conversation with him.
Griss is not an intellectually honest poster and is not conversing in good faith. I wouldn't recommend carrying a conversation with him.
Yeah, use of pro-abortion vs. Pro choice fucking stinks.
Lmao when your opinion is that not all people should have equal rights your opinion is shit plain and simple.This is nonsense. I am always, with the exception of one or two ill advised drunk threads, an intellectually honest poster. Not agreeing with every tenet of modern American progressivism does not amount to intellectual dishonesty, it amounts to having a difference in opinion.
Point out where my conversation here is not in good faith. You can't.
Yup, arguing a point I didn't even make. Your language clearly marks which side of the fence you squat. Your a waste of time defending a garbage human being. What you hitch your wagon to and all that jazz.Yes, the use of one of the most core principles of modern feminism (reproductive rights / abortion) to display why some people do not like feminism is somehow irrational and 'stinks'. Sure.
😐 really?If I feel like it isn't a waste of time, I am okay with playing any kind of game if it catches my attention and I am having fun with it. I've spent hours running over everything in the streets in GTA and just having a good old time just messing around as a teenager. I really like Rockstar's Manhunt despite that being a snuff highlight video game where you have to execute to progress in the game and you are fighting the lowest forms of life, that doesn't say anything about me at all. I'm Day one for Crash 2 weeks from now for instance, that's about as far different than say a game like Manhunt.
It shouldn't tell anything about a person. It's that same type of judgmental belief that scares and limits creativity. If someone has a view different than mine where it isn't causing immediate harm or pain to someone(And this game really should not make someone hurt themselves or influence people, if so than there's something else to it besides this game), I can at least respect it enough to be open minded even if I may disagree.
Hitler has been featured in numerous fictional entries like Persona 2, and Wolfenstein series. Regardless if he's depicted evil or not, he's highlighted and a vocal feature of the latter's story. There's a genocidal murder who is considered one of the worst people ever born into this earth and he is getting highlighted in said fictional entries. That doesn't mean I am boycotting any of those games.
Why would it? Its creators are feminists and 'roast' feminism in a particular way.We really have to see the final product because we don't know what that means yet.
If it roasts feminism like Portlandia roasts feminism, that isn't objectionable to me. It could turn out to be to feminism what Demolition Man was to PC culture. Or it could even be far less than that.
If it's actually sexist or anti-woman, then I worry.
Yeah I have read his tweets. Right now I'd put the chances of it being harmless (to me) at about 50-50. I definitely have my line in the sand where I would tap out.
Point out where my conversation here is not in good faith. You can't.
Haha, he actually thinks I'm gonna fall for that shit.
Lmao when your opinion is that not all people should have equal rights your opinion is shit plain and simple.
This post, for one.
Lmao when your opinion is that not all people should have equal rights your opinion is shit plain and simple.
Hilarious recursive logic. Might have worked if I were an android or bot.