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[Meier]

It is not 100% attempted murder and there isn't enough evidence (yet, at least) to prove it. An attempted murder charge will get thrown out faster than a 2 day old Mcdonalds burger.

Unless someone is an attorney, they should not be discussing the charges a prosecutor can bring. Otherwise, it's just opinions that mean nothing.

So.. it doesn't go both ways then? You, who say unequivocally that it wasn't attempted murder, are free to say that while someone else can't say that it was? Hmm, that's strange.

Also, there is a difference between saying what charges can be brought and what something was. They are entirely different conversations.

 

[adamsapple]

It is not 100% attempted murder and there isn't enough evidence (yet, at least) to prove it. An attempted murder charge will get thrown out faster than a 2 day old Mcdonalds burger.

Unless someone is an attorney, they should not be discussing the charges a prosecutor can bring. Otherwise, it's just opinions that mean nothing.

Did you see the video ? did you see the gif in the OP ?

did you read the woman's statement where she clearly says "He wasn't gonna get away with this" and deliberately got into the car with intent to physically harm the thief ?

Rather than all of us play arm-chair attorneys, lets read what an actual attorney has to say on the matter:

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/...an-charged-after-hitting-thief-car/438718001/

Sean Devereux, an Asheville criminal defense attorney, said Braswell's actions are understandable but they likely would make it difficult to argue she acted in self-defense.

”You can't use deadly force in that incidence, unfortunately," Devereux said. ”It's pretty complicated, and there are all sorts of gradations on it, but in the moment you have to be threatened and you can't use excessive force."

But please, tell us about how the woman is completely justified and the thief deserves nothing short of death.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Did you see the video ? did you see the gif in the OP ?

did you read the woman's statement where she clearly says "He wasn't gonna get away with this" and deliberately got into the car with intent to physically harm the thief ?

Sorry, only attorneys and E92 M3 are allowed to have an opinion.

 

[Vagabundo]

What we're talking about here is vigilante justice. Although getting run over by a car - that could easily maim or kill you - seems a pretty harsh punishment for petty theft.

Some of the response here are kinda psychopathic.

Like without any shreds of empathy.

I think driving a car at someone is pretty psychopathic, but that's just me....

 

[adamsapple]

Sorry, only attorneys and E92 M3 are allowed to have an opinion.

Well then .. lets check in with an actual defense attorney shall we ?

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/...an-charged-after-hitting-thief-car/438718001/

Sean Devereux, an Asheville criminal defense attorney, said Braswell's actions are understandable but they likely would make it difficult to argue she acted in self-defense.

”You can't use deadly force in that incidence, unfortunately," Devereux said. ”It's pretty complicated, and there are all sorts of gradations on it, but in the moment you have to be threatened and you can't use excessive force."

As an example, Devereux said, if someone punches you and you respond by pulling out a gun and firing, you've used excessive force. A person also has to feel his or her life or safety is threatened to use self-defense, he said.

Devereux also said the charge Braswell faces is fairly common, especially in cases involving the police when they have stopped a suspect and the person either attempts to or actually runs over an officer.

If Raines had suffered life-threatening injuries, Braswell could have faced more serious charges, including a felony, Devereux said.

Let's see how this goes with all the vigilantes in this topic.

Specifically the line about using a gun in a similar case should answer a couple of users who had questions on earlier pages asking whether gun violence would be justified in this case.

 

[Cyframe]

I feel like this thread has reached a point where someone has to define what a car is.

A car used improperly is a weapon, a deadly one. This thief walking away unscathed relatively speaking doesn't make a car less dangerous. I almost can't believe this has to be said.

We literally can see the person running away and she guns her car and runs him down. She's lost any sort of defense here.

A person can reasonably defend themselves from things like theft and assault but excessive force leads to a person getting charged and she was.

 

[Incendiary]

I hope none of these people who think the "douchebag thief" got what he deserved and nobody should ever side with him have ever downloaded music or movies or games or porn that they didn't pay for.

Hell, if porn stars started running over people who didn't pay for porn in SUVs, the entire country would be in the hospital.

 

[bathsalts]

Update on the coworker that was stealing my lunch and I was going to shoot on sight, I caught them today in the parking lot walking off with my lunch bag again, turns out it was the secretary, just an old lady. But fuck thieves. Heres footage of justice being served up

Bitch got what was coming.

The police and courts just aren't effective for dealing with this scum.




I'll be ready next time someone tries to take my material possessions. Waiting.

 

[Budi]

First, I would have asked this dude why are you in my car and why should I not fuck you up...just to see his response.

I don't recall lending you anything.

He would have at the least caught a two piece to the jugular for that transgression before the cops came.

Look at this shit. Similar situation caught red handed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eTtihdolLHY&time_continue=4

Why are you in my car? Shit is insulting. You can't put no hands on a woman but shit I would've had some choice words for her. I would've made sure the cops were there.

You earlier mention that you kicked someone down the stairs and started beating them with a group for trying to steal a laptop. And now you would just be having few choice words with someone stealing. How does that work?

 

[jonezer4]

I've lived with a pregnant woman before. For 9 months. This reaction, it's not unexpected.

 

[Dynomutt]

You earlier mention that you kicked someone down the stairs and started beating them with a group for trying to steal a laptop. And now you would just be having few choice words with someone stealing. How does that work?

I'm not hitting a woman. A think I even state not putting hands on women. A grown ass man can get clapped. Questions remains why the fuck are you in my car?

 

[Budi]

I'm not hitting a woman. A grown as man can get clapped.

Thief is a thief, why you make that distinction? Is there any reasoning behind that? Maybe you shouldn't be hitting either one then. How can you justify the beating for a man. Why does woman deserve different punishment for the same crime.

 

[King Gilga]

Yes it would unless you are equating the value of a few objects to a human life.

There's a big different between your person objects and random objects. And the life of someone who'd rob you and a random life.

I'd value my motorcycle over the life of someone who'd steal it anyday anytime for example.

But not a random motorcycle.

Not that I think I'd try to kill someone for attempting to steal my bike. But if I had to chose between them, it's an easy choice.

 

[Dynomutt]

Thief is a thief, why you make that distinction? Is there any reasoning behind that? Maybe you shouldn't be hitting either one then. How can you justify the beating for a man.

As soon as I get the reason behind stealing my shit? I work for mine too.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

There's a big different between your person objects and random objects. And the life of someone who'd rob you and a random life.

I'd value my motorcycle over the life of someone who'd steal it anyday anytime for example.

But not a random motorcycle.

Not that I think I'd try to kill someone for attempting to steal my bike. But if I had to chose between them, it's an easy choice.

These are things to confide in your therapist so they're privileged, not to admit on a public forum.

In case it comes up in your trial.

 

[Budi]

As soon as I get the reason behind stealing my shit? I work for mine too.

Might be because I'm not native English speaker. But I don't see how that answers my question. Why does a woman deserve different punishment for the same crime?

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Might be because I'm not native English speaker. But I don't see how that answers my question. Why does woman deserve different punishment for the same crime?

Because according to some here pregnant women are incapable of making rational decisions.

 

[King Gilga]

These are things to confide in your therapist so they're privileged, not to admit on a public forum.

In case it comes up in your trial.

Trial for what? You think I would kill someone over a bike? lmao, like I'm anywhere near that hard.

You guys on your high horses are hilarious hypocrites. You think you'd chose the life of someone robbing you over your cat or dog? No you wouldn't, unless you're insane or something.

 

[prag16]

Guys, stop saying "run over". The guy was not run over. He had minor injuries. The big bump you see the car take in the video isn't due to a body underneath. It's the curb (just before impact you can see the thief jump up a bit onto the curb). Minor quibble, but worth pointing out.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Trial for what? You think I would kill someone over a bike? lmao, like I'm anywhere near that hard.

You guys on your high horses are hilarious hypocrites. You think you'd chose the life of someone robbing you over your cat or dog? No you wouldn't, unless you're insane or something.

I don't own a cat or dog. But just to be clear, there is no inanimate object someone could steal from me that in and of itself would justify me using potentially lethal force to retrieve. You could take literally a billion dollars from me and I am not justified under the law in killing or injuring the perpetrator.

 

[Budi]

Guys, stop saying "run over". The guy was not run over. He had minor injuries. The big bump you see the car take in the video isn't due to a body underneath. It's the curb (just before impact you can see the thief jump up a bit onto the curb). Minor quibble, but worth pointing out.

"Run over" doesn't literally mean you have to go over someone. It's hitting them with a car.

 

[King Gilga]

I don't own a cat or dog. But just to be clear, there is no inanimate object someone could steal from me that in and of itself would justify me using potentially lethal force to retrieve. You could take literally a billion dollars from me and I am not justified under the law in killing or injuring the perpetrator.

Sure thing gandhi.

Maybe you need some stuff to care about more then.

 

[Dynomutt]

Might be because I'm not native English speaker. But I don't see how that answers my question. Why does a woman deserve different punishment for the same crime?

She probably doesn't but I don't hit or or would hit a woman but be damn sure she is not getting away if I can help it. Honestly I don't think I have a response that would satisfy you. If I caught a dude stealing shit and he was shook/scared I would hold off but if they try to attack me outside of a gun/knife to run its a wrap.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Guys, stop saying "run over". The guy was not run over. He had minor injuries. The big bump you see the car take in the video isn't due to a body underneath. It's the curb (just before impact you can see the thief jump up a bit onto the curb). Minor quibble, but worth pointing out.

This is Spicer levels of spin.

 

[Budi]

She probably doesn't but I don't hit or or would hit a woman but be damn sure she is not getting away if I can help it. Honestly I don't think I have a response that would satisfy you. If I caught a dude stealing shit and he was shook/scared I would hold off but if they try to attack me outside of a gun/knife to run its a wrap.

Fair enough. I would use force too if my life was threatened and no other way to get out of it. I wouldn't just take a stabbing or a beating. I wouldn't take it from a woman either though.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Sure thing gandhi.

Maybe you need some stuff to care about more then.

Bro, you're saying I need to care more about an object than a life and implying my priorities are off. That's actually remarkable.

 

[Dynomutt]

This is Spicer levels of spin.

I would pay to see an interview with the both of them. Obviously she was menacing enough to chase him off but the hit with the car was when he realized he fucked up.

 

[Incendiary]

Bro, you're saying I need to care more about an object than a life and implying my priorities are off. That's actually remarkable.

You can't take it with you, but you sure can take someone else's life for it!

 

[King Gilga]

Bro, you're saying I need to care more about an object than a life and implying my priorities are off. That's actually remarkable.

Most people care about their own personal belongings than other random people's lives.

Or else we wouldn't have beggars on the streets or starving orphans and the world would be a utopia.

To say you're any different is delusion.

 

[Budi]

Most people care about their own personal belongings than other random people's lives.

Or else we wouldn't have beggars on the streets or starving orphans and the world would be a utopia.

To say you're any different is delusion.

This isn't something to be celebrated though.

 

[Incendiary]

Most people care about their own personal belongings than other random people's lives.

Or else we wouldn't have beggars on the streets or starving orphans and the world would be a utopia.

To say you're any different is delusion.

Oh shit, you caught me. Because I only give money to strangers once in a while and only occasionally donate to charity and don't offer out my apartment to every homeless person I see I would totally run over a guy if he tried to take my wallet.

 

[prag16]

"Run over" doesn't literally mean you have to go over someone. It's hitting them with a car.

I've never used the two interchangeably. If you're hit you're hit. If you're run over you're run over.

The thief 's defenders are saying "run over" because it sounds more egregious than "hit". Simple as that.

 

[King Gilga]

Oh shit, you caught me. Because I only give money to strangers once in a while and only occasionally donate to charity and don't offer out my apartment to every homeless person I see I would totally run over a guy if he tried to take my wallet.

I wouldn't either but that doesn't mean I'm any better than her.

I'm just as shitty of a human being as you and her. I will spend a £150 on a go pro instead of feeding like 50 people.

Because like you and like her and like every human being on the planet I care about this relatively meaningless object more then random people I don't know.

It's in our nature.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

I've never used the two interchangeably. If you're hit you're hit. If you're run over you're run over.

The third 's defenders are saying "run over" because it sounds more egregious than "hit". Simple as that.

Whoa whoa calm down buddy. "Hit" is a little strong. She merely politely guided him to justice with her vehicle.

In fact, why mentioned how she stopped him at all? Sounds like you have an agenda.

 

[adamsapple]

Most people care about their own personal belongings than other random people's lives.

Or else we wouldn't have beggars on the streets or starving orphans and the world would be a utopia.

To say you're any different is delusion.

No ... I won't kill a random stranger over my PS4 or my car or my wallet.

What the fuck is wrong with you ?

 

[King Gilga]

No ... I won't kill a random stranger over my PS4 or my car or my wallet.

What the fuck is wrong with you ?

That's not what I'm saying you mook. I don't think most would would.

 

[Budi]

I've never used the two interchangeably. If you're hit you're hit. If you're run over you're run over.

The third 's defenders are saying "run over" because it sounds more egregious than "hit". Simple as that.

Sure but it's not about how you use it. It's about the meaning of the words. If you hit someone with a car and it throws them rolling over your car, we should be calling that "running under someone"?

I mean just check a dictionary or something, I did so I'm pretty confident about this.

 

[adamsapple]

That's not what I'm saying you mook. I don't think most would would.

No I've read a bunch of things you've said in this topic and disagree with most of them. You have a very materialistic world-view and keep on insisting everyone or most others are like you.

Most of us aren't.

 

[King Gilga]

No I've read a bunch of things you've said in this topic and disagree with most of them. You have a very materialistic world-view and keep on insisting everyone or most others are like you.

Most of us aren't.

You don't think most people value their material possessions over randoms?

Have fun living in your delusional dream world then, let me know how world peace is.

 

[Budi]

You don't think most people value their material possessions over randoms?

Have fun living in your delusional dream world then, let me know how world peace is.

Why are you arguing like it's a good thing? Caring more about your material belongings than human lives isn't something to be proud of. People doing it isn't justification for it.

 

[.JayZii]

Guys, stop saying "run over". The guy was not run over. He had minor injuries. The big bump you see the car take in the video isn't due to a body underneath. It's the curb (just before impact you can see the thief jump up a bit onto the curb). Minor quibble, but worth pointing out.

She "attempted to murder him with her car to get her purse back. He only was injured, not killed, but she gave it a good attempt". How's that?

 

[adamsapple]

You don't think most people value their material possessions over randoms?

Have fun living in your delusional dream world then, let me know how world peace is.

You're making some real dick-dasterdly levels of commentary here.

You've openly claimed earlier how you'll have no hesitation in devaluing a human's life if it was between your motorcycle and a random person's life if given the choice, may god have mercy on you.

If someone was stealing my bike I would attempt to give chase or call the cops, I would not kill them even if I had a weapon in my hand .. that's not delusional, that's what most sane people would do.

 

[King Gilga]

Why are you arguing like it's a good thing? Caring more about your material belongings than human lives isn't something to be proud of. People doing it isn't justification for it.

When did I say it was a good thing?

A utopia would be nice, but it would require major brain washing and or rewiring of human nature.

You've openly claimed earlier how you'll have no hesitation killing someone if it was between your motorcycle and a random thief's life, may god have mercy on you.

lmao I literally never said that. I don't think I'm capable of killing anyone.

 

[adamsapple]

lmao I literally never said that. I don't think I'm capable of killing anyone.

Yeah I edited the post and reworded it, not that choosing your motorcycle over a random bystander's life is any better.

This topic's had a lot of real vengeful individuals so far, its been a real eye opener seeing people's mixed opinions.

 

[King Gilga]

Yeah I edited the post and reworded it, not that choosing your motorcycle over a random bystander's life is any better

Still wrong, try again.

 

[shawnbuddy]

All these internet tough guy comments make it feel like some Reddit bodybuilding forum has invaded GAF.

 

[.JayZii]

All these internet tough guy comments make it feel like some Reddit bodybuilding forum has invaded GAF.

If she hadn't skipped leg day, she's have been able to catch him on foot.

 

[Budi]

When did I say it was a good thing?

A utopia would be nice, but it would require major brain washing and or rewiring of human nature.



lmao I literally never said that. I don't think I'm capable of killing anyone.

I mean you replied to this:

Bro, you're saying I need to care more about an object than a life and implying my priorities are off. That's actually remarkable.

With this:

Most people care about their own personal belongings than other random people's lives.

Or else we wouldn't have beggars on the streets or starving orphans and the world would be a utopia.

To say you're any different is delusion.

Or you just don't believe that they wouldn't drive over someone with a car for stealing their property? I'm bit confused what you are trying to argue here.

 

[prag16]

She "attempted to murder him with her car to get her purse back. He only was injured, not killed, but she gave it a good attempt". How's that?

No jury on the planet would convict her of attempted murder. Maybe the gaf moral high ground tribunal. But that's about it.

 

[Theonik]

All these internet tough guy comments make it feel like some Reddit bodybuilding forum has invaded GAF.

To be fair the SUV solution is the small man thief-busting solution. Hell if a pregnant woman can do it!

Reddit bodybuilding forums would chase them and rip their limbs off with their bear arms.