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[kswiston]

I sure love all this box office talk in this weekly box office thread.

I have at least one recent post with box office numbers.

Here's a chart for Paramount's 2017 domestic box office to make you happy

[B]Title					Did it flop domestically?[/B]
Transformers: The Last Knight		Yup
Baywatch				It could have done better
xXx: Return of Xander Cage		Definitely
Ghost in the Shell			Spectacularly
Monster Trucks				So bad that Paramount anounced the flop 2 months early
Rings					The only Paramount film this year where DOM Gross > Budget. Barely.

 

[Toa TAK]

You're not the boss of me, B-Man.

Both my first FPS and M-rated game when it launched.

My third grader mind was so shocked when I heard cursing in a video game.

Jeez, I was just entering 6th grade.

You can be both!

It's all about museums now, bruh

 

[shintoki]

I have at least one recent post with box office numbers.

Here's a chart for Paramount's 2017 domestic box office to make you happy

[B]Title					Did it flop domestically?[/B]
Transformers: The Last Knight		Yup
Baywatch				It could have done better
xXx: Return of Xander Cage		Definitely
Ghost in the Shell			Spectacularly
Monster Trucks				So bad that Paramount anounced the flop 2 months early
Rings					The only Paramount film this year where DOM Gross > Budget. Barely.

I'm sure they have something coming out....


Daddy's Home 2.

Whelp.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Holy shit RINGS is the only Paramount release whose face is barely drawing any breath above water?

Goddamn.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

I remember both loving Superman Returns (yes) while also feeling sorry for the group of 8 year old kids sitting next to me who had to endure a 150 minutes long action-less love letter to a film from the 70s.

But I always knew it was going to be destroyed by Pirates.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

I can believe it - the Returns marketing made that movie look beastly.

And then Returns actually happened.

(basically: we all got fooled by the power of John Williams)

Teaser

Trailer

Notice how strategically they hide Routh's goober-suit.

 

[BronsonLee]

XXX did fantastic, don't let Of Montreal trick you!

 

[El Topo]

Teaser

Trailer

Notice how strategically they hide Routh's goober-suit.

Wow. What a shitty trailer. Very indicative of the movie though. Great teaser of course, although, I mean, Marlon Brando + John Williams is just unfair.

 

[Toa TAK]

Sucks to be Paramount this year.

 

[JeffZero]

Bobby, what's the over/under on the new CEO at Paramount just cancelling everything and crafting a Star Trek Cinematic Universe?

Or perhaps a more logical question: how the heck is Paramount gonna climb outta this coffin they've been building themselves?

I literally almost brought myself to hope Transformers 5 was successful because that studio owns the rights to movie Trek and it's hurting.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

I don't remember anything about Rings other than Samara's act of terrorism in the beginning and Vincent D'Onofrio blowing more goodwill. I apparently gave the film a D-.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I wonder if the possibility of re-merging with CBS (which has been floated before, I believe) is starting to look really promising.

Like, find security however you can, I guess.

 

[Bizazedo]

I want to know when Bobby started using the internet. Is there anyone here with an internet history that predates the World Wide Web?

I got my connection in 1995, so the worldwide web was up and running. My first version of Internet Explorer was version 2. I used Netscape Navigator as well, but I can't remember if I started at version 3 or 4.

Anyone who was active on the net in the mid-90s will probably remember the how slow big companies were to get onto the bandwagon. You had billion dollar corporations with a web presence that wasn't much better than what fans were making on Geocities.

Here. Quantum-Link (Q-Link) and Bulletin Boards.

I also still remember fondly in the mid to late 90's when MTV News was first talking about MP3's on their channel and ended the segment "But we don't see them as being a threat" to the traditional music industry due to quality / difficulty to get.

Everyone in my dorm LOL'd pretty hard.

 

[Vectorman]

That thread is one of the most maddening fucking things I've ever read in my (relatively by comparison) short time here.

Seriously it's a 5 page thread and I think 3/4ths of its respondents are like "I've never even opened the box."

Fucking maddening.

Goddamned gaming forum filled with people who fucking look at boxes all fuckin' day. Spent 60 bucks to put a box on a shelf next to another box and just look at it.

See Bobby, you haven't seen the poster and record collecting people yet. People just keeping dozens of poster tubes and sealed copies of records never to be displayed, played, or seen...all for the flip.

 

[Not]

This will probably teach them to depend more on international gross rather than make movies that American audiences who now refer to Rotten Tomatoes will appreciate

 

[El Topo]

This will probably teach them to depend more on international gross rather than make movies that American audiences who now refer to Rotten Tomatoes will appreciate

International audiences don't eat up everything, contrary to what Hollywood wishes to be true. A lot of problems don't matter as much overseas - lack of English language skills and dubs help a lot - but that doesn't mean that everything works there.

 

[kswiston]

If you can believe it, the BOM forums back then were evenly split on which film would make more money.

The Mojo Forums (and its spiritual successor over at BOT) had some posters who were really solid projecting box office, but the larger community has always been more analogous to our NPD threads. People get so caught up in their feuds and pet films, that reality and common sense can get drowned out.

I remember when Spider-Man 3 broke $150M opening weekend for the first time. It was a given for a large portion of the BOM crew that Pirates 3 was going to do $160-180M a couple of weeks later. Nevermind the mixed reception that Dead Man's Chest had 10 months prior, or the lesson that we received when the Matrix sequels came out.

The same thing happened with Attack of the Clones vs Spider-Man there.

 

[OrangeAtlas]

Canadian checking in, our long weekend started last week y'all are lagging behind.

When's the last time a major film studio just straight up disappeared? Like is it practical to imagine that one of these days Sony or Paramount will just throw in the towel and say "Welp, we tried"?

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

Anyway, because Bobby brought it up (and GAF seems to love Superman Returns trailers; I've seen a thread on it made at least half a dozen times), I'm going to go out on a limb and say Superman Returns marketing was pretty terrible. The trailer Sibersk posted is a great example; poorly paced and it feels incredibly campy. But even the teaser trailer I don't think is sort of the material that would get general audiences excited about a new Superman film, the first in 19 years.

A lot of turned out to be the movie, but I also don't think WB learned any lessons from the muted opening of Batman Begins a year before either.

The Mojo Forums (and its spiritual successor over at BOT) had some posters who were really solid projecting box office, but the larger community has always been more analogous to our NPD threads. People get so caught up in their feuds and pet films, that reality and common sense can get drowned out.

I remember when Spider-Man 3 broke $150M opening weekend for the first time. It was a given for a large portion of the BOM crew that Pirates 3 was going to do $160-180M a couple of weeks later. Nevermind the mixed reception that Dead Man's Chest had 10 months prior, or the lesson that we received when the Matrix sequels came out.

The same thing happened with Attack of the Clones vs Spider-Man there.

I remember predicting really insane numbers ($135-140M OW, I think) for At World's End because presales were through the roof and higher than Spider-Man 3.

Things seemed to be going pretty well, and then the Saturday numbers came in showing a 10% drop despite burning $14M on Thursday previews. Was like a glass of cold to the face.

 

[LFMartins86]

I don't remember anything about Rings other than Samara's act of terrorism in the beginning and Vincent D'Onofrio blowing more goodwill. I apparently gave the film a D-.

How can you forget that incredible scene where they freak out for a couple of minutes because the copy of the video file was 4 or 5 MB bigger?

 

[bananafactory]

Bobby, what's the over/under on the new CEO at Paramount just cancelling everything and crafting a Star Trek Cinematic Universe?

Or perhaps a more logical question: how the heck is Paramount gonna climb outta this coffin they've been building themselves?

I literally almost brought myself to hope Transformers 5 was successful because that studio owns the rights to movie Trek and it's hurting.

After Beyond's performance I'm not sure a Bones spinoff would do better than Bumblebee Origins

 

[firelogic]

After Beyond's performance I'm not sure a Bones spinoff would do better than Bumblebee Origins

I used to love Bones but got tired of it when it hit season 5 or so.

I'd rather a Bones movie than a Bones spinoff without the crew.

 

[kswiston]

When's the last time a major film studio just straight up disappeared? Like is it practical to imagine that one of these days Sony or Paramount will just throw in the towel and say "Welp, we tried"?

It depends on what you mean by "disappear". Major studios have valuable back catalogues and studio assets, so they typically just get bought out. Some just change capacity.

MGM, United Artists, and RKO were all major studios/distributors who don't exist in their original capacity now.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

When did we as a society even learn how to cut a trailer anyway?

 

[kswiston]

I remember predicting really insane numbers ($135-140M OW, I think) for At World's End because presales were through the roof and higher than Spider-Man 3.

Things seemed to be going pretty well, and then the Saturday numbers came in showing a 10% drop despite burning $14M on Thursday previews. Was like a glass of cold to the face.

$135-140M OW was fairly reasonable given the DMC's performance. You were about 20% too high. Those at the $180M end were off by more than 55%.

It would be Age of Ultron making $135-145M OW after all of those $210-225M predictions.

 

[kswiston]

When did we as a society even learn how to cut a trailer anyway?

Wiki tells me over 100 years ago.

Here's one from 1931.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Frankenstein_trailer_(1931).webm

I wonder if your great grandfather complained about it spoiling the third act and basically showing the whole film.

 

[LordOfLore]

Say what you want about MoS but Snyder do know how to make a cool trailer.

Even used a few All-Star Superman lines:

 

[Toa TAK]

Wiki tells me over 100 years ago.

Here's one from 1931.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Frankenstein_trailer_(1931).webm

I wonder if your great grandfather complained about it spoiling the third act and basically showing the whole film.

The cheesy narration makes it.

 

[JeffZero]

I wonder if the possibility of re-merging with CBS (which has been floated before, I believe) is starting to look really promising.

Like, find security however you can, I guess.

For real.

After Beyond's performance I'm not sure a Bones spinoff would do better than Bumblebee Origins

Sadly true. I wish that movie did twice or thrice its haul.

 

[OrangeAtlas]

When did movie trailers transition from narrators to using out of context lines from the films themselves? Early 2000's?

 

[Schlorgan]

If they put Justin Lin in charge of a Star Trek Cinematic Universe I'd be all in.

Off-topic:

The first console I bought with my own money was an original Xbox in 2007.

I got a 360 in 2010, a PS3 in 2014 and an Xbox One in 2015.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Monday Box Office Estimates
1. Despicable Me 3 - $14 million
2. Baby Driver - $5 million
3. Wonder Woman - $4.265 million
Get the full chart here: http://imdb.to/2tnjZwW

Holy shit at dem WW legs...

 

[bananafactory]

When did movie trailers transition from narrators to using out of context lines from the films themselves? Early 2000's?

I made this thread on a similar topic a while back which might answer your question

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1364161

A lot of people credited LOTR with being some of the first big ones

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

Made a chart of everyone's predictions here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SfCuEITMZL4YTSegKelav-sePrLFZJuZJe02vBgvO_4/edit#gid=0

To reiterate, we are gifting steam games to the persons with the best OW predictions. In the event of a tie, the DOM prediction will be used, so please provide at least an OW and DOM prediction if you would like to participate. The deadline is 11:59PM PST on July 5. Please let me know if I made any errors.

Prizes will include Dishonored 2, Doom, XCOM (now 1 and 2 ), and a couple others pending. Whoever gets 1st place will have their pick, then 2nd place will, and so on.

 

[Schlorgan]

Made a chart of everyone's predictions here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SfCuEITMZL4YTSegKelav-sePrLFZJuZJe02vBgvO_4/edit#gid=0

To reiterate, we are gifting steam games to the persons with the best OW predictions. In the event of a tie, the DOM prediction will be used, so please provide at least an OW and DOM prediction if you would like to participate. The deadline is 11:59PM PST on July 5. Please let me know if I made any errors.

Prizes will include Dishonored 2, Doom, XCOM (now 1 and 2 ), and a couple others pending. Whoever gets 1st place will have their pick, then 2nd place will, and so on.

Great spreadsheet.

Spoiler

I actually have a lot of Humble Bundle keys if you would want some more prizes. None of the games would be that new though (Shadow Complex Remastered is the newest).

 

[VeryGooster]

When did movie trailers transition from narrators to using out of context lines from the films themselves? Early 2000's?

I made this thread on a similar topic a while back which might answer your question

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1364161

A lot of people credited LOTR with being some of the first big ones

Some replies in that thread mention The Phantom Menace and that's honestly what came to mind, too.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Speaking of the Phantom Menace, in line with BGE's post about Returns' marketing - once you divorced the raw shock of seeing new Star Wars footage from the experience (if you could/can), the Phantom Menace teaser isn't really even that good.

Attack of the Clones was probably the best marketed of the Prequels. I guess it kinda had to be, considering.

 

[Nev]

Lego Batman movie so terribly meh. Horribly long and not particularly entertaining or funny. Not surprised at the flop.

Should've seen it coming since I disliked the histrionic tryhard overrated Lego movie and the Batman trailers failed to make me smile once.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

What does make you laugh, Nev

 

[Nev]

What does make you laugh, Nev

Spider-Man 3.

 

[Caode]

Made a chart of everyone's predictions here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SfCuEITMZL4YTSegKelav-sePrLFZJuZJe02vBgvO_4/edit#gid=0

To reiterate, we are gifting steam games to the persons with the best OW predictions. In the event of a tie, the DOM prediction will be used, so please provide at least an OW and DOM prediction if you would like to participate. The deadline is 11:59PM PST on July 5. Please let me know if I made any errors.

Prizes will include Dishonored 2, Doom, XCOM (now 1 and 2 ), and a couple others pending. Whoever gets 1st place will have their pick, then 2nd place will, and so on.

I may as well throw my hat in the ring:

Spider-Man: Homecoming - Prediction

OW: $127 million
DOM: $355 million
INT: $620 million

WW: $975 million

 

[Toa TAK]

Man, I really enjoyed Lego Batman.

I mean, it's better than the beginning of this summer blockbuster season.

 

[Slayven]

Made a chart of everyone's predictions here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SfCuEITMZL4YTSegKelav-sePrLFZJuZJe02vBgvO_4/edit#gid=0

To reiterate, we are gifting steam games to the persons with the best OW predictions. In the event of a tie, the DOM prediction will be used, so please provide at least an OW and DOM prediction if you would like to participate. The deadline is 11:59PM PST on July 5. Please let me know if I made any errors.

Prizes will include Dishonored 2, Doom, XCOM (now 1 and 2 ), and a couple others pending. Whoever gets 1st place will have their pick, then 2nd place will, and so on.

How does one get in on this?

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

How does one get in on this?

Just type in a prediction here or PM me and you will be added.

 

[LordOfLore]

Speaking of the Phantom Menace, in line with BGE's post about Returns' marketing - once you divorced the raw shock of seeing new Star Wars footage from the experience (if you could/can), the Phantom Menace teaser isn't really even that good.

Attack of the Clones was probably the best marketed of the Prequels. I guess it kinda had to be, considering.

Rewatching them I like the ROTS one with Vader's breathing.

My Spidey prediction:

OW: 118 million
DOM: 320 million
INT: 555 million
WW: 875 million

 

[Discotheque]

Lego Batman movie so terribly meh. Horribly long and not particularly entertaining or funny. Not surprised at the flop.

Should've seen it coming since I disliked the histrionic tryhard overrated Lego movie and the Batman trailers failed to make me smile once.

Lego Movie was nice. Lego Batman Movie wore out it's welcome after like 20 minutes though. God damn does that one drag

 

[Schlorgan]

Rewatching them I like the ROTS one with Vader's breathing.

With the Old Obi voiceover? That one is really good until it devolves into nonsense for the last half.

 

[hodayathink]

I missed so much having to work today.

First console was an NES that I found out I was getting for Christmas by rummaging through the storage closet. Came with Mario/Duck Hunt, a Zapper, and I think Contra, but I can't remember for sure. Since then, I've owned an SNES, Genesis, PS1-4 (including 2 PS2s and 2 PS3s), an Xbox, 2 360s (one Star Wars, one plain), a couple Game Boys, a couple GBAs (which I found this year and are still working), 2 Vitas, and a 2DS. I think technically my internet experience was around 96-97 with dial up (I actually still have and use my first AOL/AIM account).

 

[jett]

Man, I really enjoyed Lego Batman.

I mean, it's better than the beginning of this summer blockbuster season.

Me personally I didn't really enjoy it much. Seemed like something aimed at toddlers. But I didn't really like The Lego Movie much either so maybe this kind of "humor" isn't for me.

 

[Penguin]

When did movie trailers transition from narrators to using out of context lines from the films themselves? Early 2000's?

I kind of preferred the older ones, but I also don't think movies had 2-4 trailers back then

And they had actual teasers, which were like 10-15 seconds and now just a vague trailer.