Yeah Marvel is pro level budgeting. According to Deadline Homecoming cost a third of what ASM2 cost, which seems pretty insane
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Yeah Marvel is pro level budgeting. According to Deadline Homecoming cost a third of what ASM2 cost, which seems pretty insane
$430M....$175M
More than a third? Whoever wrote that article meant didn't check their math.
They are saying a third cheaper not a third the price. Amazing Spider-Man was about $255M after tax credits (and $293M before credits).
Also, RDJ reportedly got $15M for his cameo. So you basically have a film with the same budget as Doc Strange with a RDJ tax thrown in.
This is the first Spider-man film with a production budget under $200M since the first one. The last three were all well over $200M.
That's prod plus p&a and they say "more than a third cheaper" not "a third of the cost"
Edit: beaten by the swiss
Have you seen the movie? I would love to see the break down of where that 175 million goes to. Actors, visual effects, high school fees(LOL) etc.
Mind you I loved the movie, but just really curious.
Hmm yes and SMH's is before P&A. Either way it does seem like a substantial savings over the last
So we're looking at $120M+?
BronsonLee
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THE BUMP
Considering Sony gets to keep all of the profits as part of the deal, they must be popping the champagne and looking forward to extending the deal lol.
More like fast tracking that Venom movie.
Venom wouldn't be in MCU though, correct?
Correct
It's on track for 12.5M.
That still sounds like a pretty good second week for an Edgar Wright movie!
CaviarMeths
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Do we know if the usual license fee was waived due to the production deal? I remember reading years ago that Sony paid Marvel a fee of around $20m to produce each Spider-Man film, which was taken into the budget.
Producer fees could also be contributing to the difference. Avi Arad is "bitch eating crackers" tier to me, so I'm assuming he took a bigger fee on the last 5 movies than Pascal and Feige are taking on this one.
It is looking more likely. If the run is naturally heading to the $395M range, I think that WB will attempt to push it over.
Saturday increases for this weekend are pretty low though. I think Deadline's $10.6M off of a $3.1M Friday is optimistic. Still gives it some wiggle room to $10M.
illmatic22
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If the Bronson Bump really does save movies then please see Pacific Rim 2 next year o magic wrestling elf🙏
Bronson saw Colossal in theatres. It didn't even get a proper release afterward.
Lol
illmatic22
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Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
I saw a lot of people on Twitter saying they were going to see Spidey first day, and these were people who normally don't even talk about comic book movies, so word of mouth has definitely kicked in for this one.
Gordon Shumway
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Negro, hush..
Obliterator
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Wow, damn. Wasn't the original deal for Marvel to only get Spidey "officially" for Homecoming, Civil War, and Infinity War? After this start I can't see Sony not agreeing to extend the deal to future films
ohh lots of posters salivating for an mcu miss
i imagine marvel fans will shrug their shoulders and be happy with the 20 movie streak they enjoyed, and people who dislike the mcu are going to be super obnoxious when it happens, with lots of the same gif repeated ten times in one post
if Sony shareholders have any brains at all, they'll put the pressure on to maintain the relationship
college spidey trilogy inbound
i imagine marvel fans will shrug their shoulders and be happy with the 20 movie streak they enjoyed, and people who dislike the mcu are going to be super obnoxious when it happens, with lots of the same gif repeated ten times in one post
if Sony shareholders have any brains at all, they'll put the pressure on to maintain the relationship
college spidey trilogy inbound
I thought it also included Homecoming 2, which is why Disney is only distributing two MCU films in 2019.
I don't know that the deal is worth continuing indefinitely if Disney has to cut their release capacity by a third to support Sony films.
It is 5 movies which includes the above 3, avengers 4 and homecoming sequel. Sony gets all the profits for the Spider-Man homecoming movies and doesn't get anything from civil war and the avengers movies.
Obliterator
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Yeah you could be very much right on that. I couldn't remember if the Homecoming sequel was part of the deal or not.
Either way unless Sony is literally out of their minds they will do everything possible to continue this relationship and not fuck things up.
I still think those spin off Spider-Man ideas are idiotic when they are playing with house money here letting Marvel make these films. They should just let them do their thing and reap the box office grosses. Doing a bunch of spin offs (if they suck) could be very dangerous for the property
hodayathink
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It does include Homecoming 2, they've already talked about how it's going to be the first post-Infinity War/Avengers 4 movie.
If they're smart (and with Sony, you never really know), while the spin-offs will not really be in the MCU, they'll still listen to Marvel's suggestions on them so that they don't have any bombs on their hands.
And fox is gonna be like "marvel, bro, we doing fantastic phase 4 or what?" 😁
Remember a few days back when I said that Transformers was doing better than expected during the 4th of July week?
That didn't last. Deadline's early Friday projection from 8 hours ago had it dropping another 65%.
Also, Homecoming is going to be Sony's first $100M opener in 10 years. Their only films to open over $80M domestic are Spider-man films and Skyfall.
EDIT: Spider-Man Homecoming will give Sony three $100M+ openers, tying Fox for the lowest among the big 6. Even Lionsgate is ahead of both of those.
That didn't last. Deadline's early Friday projection from 8 hours ago had it dropping another 65%.
Also, Homecoming is going to be Sony's first $100M opener in 10 years. Their only films to open over $80M domestic are Spider-man films and Skyfall.
EDIT: Spider-Man Homecoming will give Sony three $100M+ openers, tying Fox for the lowest among the big 6. Even Lionsgate is ahead of both of those.
hodayathink
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Hunger Games and Twilight, right?
BronsonLee
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YOU SON OF A BITCH
why the fuck were you all talking about me being pregnant last night
I leave to watch one movie and everything goes to hell, y'all need Jesus
I leave to watch one movie and everything goes to hell, y'all need Jesus
Yes.
But Sony is all Spider-Man and Fox is X-Men + Revenge of the Sith. So neither of those are any more diverse.
You can probably take a guess at which studio has the most unrelated franchises/series with openings over the $100M mark.
broncobuster
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If hockey were relevant in 2017 they'd totally reboot Mighty Ducks. With like, Kevin Hart as the coach.
PhoncipleBone
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Paramount!
Imagine that, two of Sony's biggest openers in the last ten years are Skyfall (from MGM) and now Homecoming from Marvel Studios.
I'm sure Sony Pictures are just thrilled at waiting for someone to start describing them as 'corporate cuckolds'. Their two biggest openers and neither IP is owned by them while one of them was completely outsourced to someone else.
While Rothman's at the helm he's going to hellbent on going some internally produced 'wins on the board' with Venom and Silver/Black while counting down the hours until he can get Spider-Man, completely re-energised by Marvel themselves, back under his control.
Canada just got this film a few months ago
Paramount actually has 5 films from 4 franchises over $100M. Losing distribution for Marvel and Dreamworks Animation didn't help their slate any.
PhoncipleBone
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They made a sequel to Goon? I'm not sure how to feel about that. The first was great as a stand alone.
No need to rush. Already locked into a 5 movie deal.
Spiderman Homecoming
Spiderman Prom
Spiderman Graduation
(I made up the last two but they won't be called Homecoming 2 and 3)
Averngers Infinity War
Avengers 4
What I'm curious about is I think the sequel to Homecoming is the first post Avengers 4 MCU movie. If Marvel is going to agree to keep making these movies and give Sony the box office total then Sony would e dumb to say no. I think the deal works out for Marvel too because they get to use their biggest star in the MCU and get all the retail product sales.
Obliterator
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So looks like 120+ seems pretty much happening right?
PhoncipleBone
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Both Amazings opened with $35m. Spidey 3 with $59m. Spidey 1 and 2 around $40m
Great start.
Friday Studio Estimates:
1) Spider-Man Homecoming - $50.5M
2) Despicable Me 3 - $11.3M (-61%) - $127M total
3) Baby Driver - $3.9M (-36%) - $48M total
4) Wonder Woman - $2.9M (-33%) - $362M total
5) Transformers 5 - $1.8M (-63%) - $114M total
6) Cars 3 - $1.7M (-43%) - $130M total
7) The House - $1.5M (-55%) - $15M total
8) The Big Sick - $1.1M (+107%) - $4M total
9) 47 Meters Down - $850k (-38%) - $37M
10) The Beguiled - $660k (-38%) - $6M total
1) Spider-Man Homecoming - $50.5M
2) Despicable Me 3 - $11.3M (-61%) - $127M total
3) Baby Driver - $3.9M (-36%) - $48M total
4) Wonder Woman - $2.9M (-33%) - $362M total
5) Transformers 5 - $1.8M (-63%) - $114M total
6) Cars 3 - $1.7M (-43%) - $130M total
7) The House - $1.5M (-55%) - $15M total
8) The Big Sick - $1.1M (+107%) - $4M total
9) 47 Meters Down - $850k (-38%) - $37M
10) The Beguiled - $660k (-38%) - $6M total
WaffleTaco
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So basically anything that isn't a Superhero film is pretty much doomed at the box office...what a time to be alive...I guess