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[Lanrutcon]

when anybody writes crap you have to tell it like it is.

I mean, at this point the irony is out of control.

 

[Shangounchained]

Again what is stopping all the PS4 games from running on the switch after downgrading the games? You make sound like you can just jam this game straight into the PS4 and it would work. Not going to happen without downgrades, but on the PS5 you could without any changes. Again, it's very possible to make anything work by just removing some assets or changing the amount of pixels you push on a screen. The switch uses a 720P screen. And those guys who told you the Witcher 3 would not work on Switch, did not account for downgrading the assets and colors. LIke I said, you can make any game run on the switch after significant downgrades. So, I don't get your point? I'm confused. Do you want a downgraded experience?

Alot of ps4 ganes run on switch, witcher 3 wolfenstein doom and so on even doom eternal is coming to switch, i say this again star citizen had nothing going on that cant run on a ps4 its just hyped bullshit its an open world game that deals mostly on procedural tricks, fact is it diesnt look better than god of war, or any ps4 exclusive it uses the same amount of memory as any other game on pc, what i dont understand is the ridiculousness of saying that it cant run on a console.

Star citizen doesnt even look like a ps5 game infact if it was even shown as a launch demo on a sony event or e3 as a showcase of whats possible on ps5 itll be a huge failure, hellblade series x trailer shows more fidelity for a next gen game than that rubbish star citizen crap.

 

[bad guy]

I'd rather game on a 12 year old PC than a PS5 any day.
PC games are just too good.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

I
Its not having a hard time understanding someone, when anybody writes crap you have to tell it like it is. Crap! And all ive quoted on this thread is facts if u dont believe them then thats your issue not mine,

Well then, if you already have the facts on hand then provide them concerning the post I was talking about. It should be easy if they are already in this thread. Because I looked and I can't find any.

Lastly you being disappointed and all emotional has again, nothing to do with me you can join your pc friends for therapy.

Yep, screw me for caring about you and giving you the benefit of the doubt. Noted. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I try to live by that, so that is my explanation for my attitude. Just wondering now, what on earth happened to you to make you feel you have to lash out like this. Especially when people are approaching you with a spirit of kindness with no ill intent. Do you not feel like you are worth other peoples kindness? Do you like it when others are hostile to you just so you can then be hostile towards them? Do you not get more joy out of being kind and touching someone with love instead of anger?

Were here to discuss consoles vs pc hence the thread topic and i've laid my beliefs if they are contradictory to yours or offend you then simply deal with it.

Your beliefs don't offend me lol. They are just mostly wrong as far as what you have "provided." As has been pointed out by me and others. It's on you if you don't understand it. And just because this is console vs PC doesn't mean we should lay aside our decency for this thread. Doesn't mean we HAVE to be fanboyish.

 

[Shangounchained]

Well then, if you already have the facts on hand then provide them concerning the post I was talking about. It should be easy if they are already in this thread. Because I looked and I can't find any.



Yep, screw me for caring about you and giving you the benefit of the doubt. Noted. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I try to live by that, so that is my explanation for my attitude. Just wondering now, what on earth happened to you to make you feel you have to lash out like this. Especially when people are approaching you with a spirit of kindness with no ill intent. Do you not feel like you are worth other peoples kindness? Do you like it when others are hostile to you just so you can then be hostile towards them? Do you not get more joy out of being kind and touching someone with love instead of anger?


Your beliefs don't offend me lol. They are just mostly wrong as far as what you have "provided." As has been pointed out by me and others. It's on you if you don't understand it. And just because this is console vs PC doesn't mean we should lay aside our decency for this thread. Doesn't mean we HAVE to be fanboyish.

Were talking about consoles vs pcs here not the sentimental stuff your trying to push.

1. I never once in my quotes say that consoles are powerful than pcs

2. I said the visual gap between consoles and pc is thinner than before compared to during 360/ps3 era and the biggest difference nowadays isnt graphics fidelity or assets its more about frame rates and resolutions. Which is obvious

3. I said consoles are far better in performance/ price when comparing the same parts and specs with pcs.

So tell ne what is a lie here or you can go all over the thread and pick a lie that i quoted.

 

[synchronicity]

I play *games*, not devices.

I do prefer playing on PC, but I just follow the games wherever they lead me.

 

[ozz ex machina]

The worst argument against PC gaming is people saying it's too unfriendly. You can buy a prebuilt PC and leave game settings to default and have a better experience than console 95% of the time. Maybe 1 in 20 times you need to do some tweaks to then get a better experience in the other 5%.

Building a PC is so easy as well, but I can understand people not being up for that. If I could play everything on my PC I would. Buying a PS5 will be a necessary compromise just so I can play all the games on the market.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Were talking about consoles vs pcs here not the sentimental stuff your trying to push.

1. I never once in my quotes say that consoles are powerful than pcs

2. I said the visual gap between consoles and pc is thinner than before compared to during 360/ps3 era and the biggest difference nowadays isnt graphics fidelity or assets its more about frame rates and resolutions. Which is obvious

3. I said consoles are far better in performance/ price when comparing the same parts and specs with pcs.

So tell ne what is a lie here or you can go all over the thread and pick a lie that i quoted.

I'm talking about our conversation. I even specifically pointed you towards the post...

 

[diffusionx]

Ive said this a thousand times pcs need a gaming os or interface, windows os is not only for gaming but for fax machines and photoshop, of they can create an os desicated to games like a xbox os whereby my memory and cpu dont bother with the windows kernel and only for games itll be swell.

The major problem with pcs is u need to be a computer hobbyist to play games which most gamers arent the whole idea of what cpu to pick what ram what gpu what mother board does my interfaces allow it, are my drivers updated, why are my frames dropping, why did my game crush! If they can shave all this nonesense away and make pcs as seamless as console are to engage in then itll be another story aswell.

This is hilarious, it's like it is 1993 forever in console warriors' minds and you have to set IRQs before you play.

Consoles aren't even as seamless to use as consoles anymore. They have these big operating systems, system patches, massive patches, weird issues you have to reboot the machine for, etc. Driver installations are literally one-click these days.

 

[Dennisonr]

Alot of ps4 ganes run on switch, witcher 3 wolfenstein doom and so on even doom eternal is coming to switch, i say this again star citizen had nothing going on that cant run on a ps4 its just hyped bullshit its an open world game that deals mostly on procedural tricks, fact is it diesnt look better than god of war, or any ps4 exclusive it uses the same amount of memory as any other game on pc, what i dont understand is the ridiculousness of saying that it cant run on a console.

Star citizen doesnt even look like a ps5 game infact if it was even shown as a launch demo on a sony event or e3 as a showcase of whats possible on ps5 itll be a huge failure, hellblade series x trailer shows more fidelity for a next gen game than that rubbish star citizen crap.

It's not the graphics that makes the game unique. It's the vast distances between objects and object accuracy. This game is trying to model real world distances between objects in a virtual world. LIke if you travel at some X speed in the real world, it would take a certain amount of time. The planets in this game are HUGE, but you can be so far away in space and they look so tiny. All of this is happening in REAL TIME. It's not any tricks.

Have you ever used a game engine like Unity or UE4 or Cryengine? Open up one and look at the game box where you put all the assets. It's tiny. The world gamebox is where all the game is located. It's your XYZ area. Star Citizen's gamebox size is HUGE. LIke many, many, many, many times that of what would show up on the game engine's XYZ viewer. I don't think you are understanding what I'm trying to explain to you.

 

[Shangounchained]

It's not the graphics that makes the game unique. It's the vast distances between objects and object accuracy. This game is trying to model real world distances between objects in a virtual world. LIke if you travel at some X speed in the real world, it would take a certain amount of time. The planets in this game are HUGE, but you can be so far away in space and they look so tiny. All of this is happening in REAL TIME. It's not any tricks.

Have you ever used a game engine like Unity or UE4 or Cryengine? Open up one and look at the game box where you put all the assets. It's tiny. The world gamebox is where all the game is located. It's your XYZ area. Star Citizen's gamebox size is HUGE. LIke many, many, many, many times that of what would show up on the game engine's XYZ viewer. I don't think you are understanding what I'm trying to explain to you.

Its procedural tricks, and nobody said it isnt realtime, gta vice city uses the same shit your saying literally every open world game, theyve just sold u sand in the desert and ur absolutely buying it by the bags. What makes a game expensive is the amount of detail to render each frame and not silly asset streaming tricks. The reason asset streaming was invented and most procedural techniques like tesselation, lod, occlusion and so on was to save memory. If star citizen uses more vram per frame that a casual gpu on the market can handle then ill admit its a demandnibg game but, load times and asset streaming illusions arent expensive.

 

[Dennisonr]

Its procedural tricks, and nobody said it isnt realtime, gta vice city uses the same shit your saying literally every open world game, theyve just sold u sand in the desert and ur absolutely buying it by the bags. What makes a game expensive is the amount of detail to render each frame and not silly asset streaming tricks. The reason asset streaming was invented and most procedural techniques like tesselation, lod, occlusion and so on was to save memory. If star citizen uses more vram per frame that a casual gpu on the market can handle then ill admit its a demandnibg game but, load times and asset streaming illusions arent expensive.

Those other open world games do not even compare in world size. Star Citizen is hundreds of quadrillion cubic kilometers in size now in 2020. I can't help you understand. Maybe this would help from an article in 2015: https://www.polygon.com/2015/10/12/...ase-date-citizencon-star-marine-chris-roberts

I have to move on. Sorry, I can only explain something in so many different ways. It's up to you to accept it or not.

 

[Shangounchained]

Those other open world games do not even compare in world size. Star Citizen is hundreds of quadrillion cubic kilometers in size now in 2020. I can't help you understand. Maybe this would help from an article in 2015: https://www.polygon.com/2015/10/12/...ase-date-citizencon-star-marine-chris-roberts

I have to move on. Sorry, I can only explain something in so many different ways. It's up to you to accept it or not.

When your dealing with procedural loading and asset streaming workd aize doesnt matter what matters is simply how fast you can load assets into memory meaning ram and out of memory, world size is simply your storage limitation, doesnt matter if you have the whole universe as a world, what gets loaded into memory is simply the capacity of data your memory can hold, you literally got foolishly played.

 

[sunnysideup]

Starship citizen is another pipedream game sounds fun as idea but boring as fuck in real life.

 

[joe_zazen]

The only part of these wars that bugs is when people out and out lie in order to get ‘converts’ and try to sell their thing.

fucking.....corporate.....tools

Spoiler

edit: i find the worst are NInty tools followed by PC followed by x/ps (tie)

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

The only part of these wars that bugs is when people out and out lie in order to get ‘converts’ and try to sell their thing.

fucking.....corporate.....tools

Spoiler

edit: i find the worst are NInty tools followed by PC followed by x/ps (tie)

Absolutely agreed. I have a group of friends who all prefer diff things and we all get along amazingly and have an awesome time talking about our hobby. I wish more people could understand what it could be like to all get along regardless of who has the technically best anything while at the same time being able to discuss every aspect of our hobbies without hard feelings. My bros and I, because we know we all love each-other, are able to josh around with each-other at times about our preferred plastic and actually have an equally fun time doing it. Because at the end of the day, all that matters is having fun doing what we love how we want to, without being arses to others about it. Imagine if this place could be more like that?

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

are able to josh around with each-other at times about our preferred plastic

Uh...ackshually, I'll have you know that my box is mostly metal and glass.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Uh...ackshually, I'll have you know that my box is mostly metal and glass.

What kind of eco nazi doesn't have his case made out of recycled cardboard?

 

[thelastword]

Just a few graphical flourishes...and far higher framerates than the consoles could ever hope to achieve.


Actually...seeing as how I don't own a 2080Ti I do have a choice...and I always choose to prioritize stable framerates as close to 90FPS as possible. Everything else comes secondary. Everything.

Yes, they look the same, they play the same...…..Chasing the framerate beacon is an endless affair.....What is stopping 120Hz guys from saying that 60fps guys are behind the times or 240Hz gamers saying 120Hz is the slow lane......Point is, framerate can always be a moving target.....What is important is the experience......The main game.....It has been shown that 30fps is quite playable and can give a great gaming and visual experience in motion......It also allows devs to push the envelope in graphics and other simulations had they gone for higher framerates...…..

PC vs Consoles on these multiplats...the differences are minimal in the visual makeup, it's negligible......As for the framerate, it is something you adjust to, just like you can adjust to controllers.....If you play Witcher at 30fps on consoles you will be ok.....You play on PC, you will be fine......You will remember the same encounters, the same scenes and your description of the visual makeup and gameplay experience will be the same...…..

The thing about consoles is that one PC is not running at 15fps and the other at 120fps...Some guy is not maxing everything on ultra at 5fps just to say his PC can do this either.....ON consoles the game must be playable as opposed to setting up a screenshot gallery for wallpapers....On console, when you play your 30fps or 60fps game online, you know that everybody has the same hardware, same framerate...…..So everybody has a smooth experience and are on an even playing field….

The difference in BF5 for PC and consoles is pretty clear.

I have it on both. Textures, reflections, lod, frame rate. But the game is decent on consoles.

BFV, COD, looks the same, plays the same......When I watch 4K COD I don't see the same game visually, and actually it's not pretty clear if tech guys have to zoom to show you....

Whether they use 64bit 128bit or 256bit the game isn't impressive looking and can also be far optimized to run on console they simply haven't decided that,

This is the same silly discussion people were arguing about before that nintendo switch cannot run witcher 3 and it did, your simply being fooled by procedural and asset streaming tricks to make u think that star citizen is a block buster and no its not. They aren't fooling me and i say again until they show me a game that uses 16-20gb assets per frame of vram at 1080p then ill be impressed not this rubbish procedural streaming tricks.

People have been trying to make Star Citizen into some visual spectacle or at a time, some even suggested a gameplay spectacle; A huge world, multiple modules bla bla bla…...They only hyped it since the long drought since Crysis and people were were constantly speaking up the graphics on low TF consoles, So they propped SC to compare…...Yet Star Citizen is probably one of the biggest hoaxes in all of gaming......Shoddy and inconsistent graphics, abysmal and stiff animations, lots of greys and inconsistent/incoherent art......Star Citizen looks like a tech demo developed by the guys in the game college ad, who said "tighten the graphics on level 3"...…...You can see the lack of visual engineering in that game, they throw tech at it, but it looks very janky.....BTW when is the game coming out? When I said PC should get some exclusives, there is a reason I didn't mention SC, how long has it been 10 years? Crysis, Farcry, F.E.A.R, they all came out and were games that offered story gameplay and an experience you could follow......Star Citizen is some hoax factory under the guise of a game, trying to sell polygonal ships for more money some people will make in their lifetime...….

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

Yes, they look the same, they play the same...

Says nobody who has ever actually played on a high refresh monitor. Higher refresh rates do not look the same...and they do not play the same...and they definitely do not feel the same. There is a point of diminishing returns.
60Hz is most definitely not that point.

 

[thelastword]

Thought I should post this here instead, since VFXVeteran question was more in line with this thread.....

thelastword Let's consider this a PS exclusive that is released to the PC (same thing as Death Stranding). I'm curious to see what differences in performance/3d features the two will have. We are going to see a lot of this happening throughout the year, so you should be able to get a bigger picture of unique exclusives that will finally be on a different platform.

Why? consoles should be compared to consoles.....Closed box to Closed box, it will be a new generation for consoles not PC......Remember PC has had 12-13TF for more than a minute, Consoles are getting that spec now...…..I also saw no one interested or making any comparison between SFV PS4 vs PC......Truth is, I have both and I have over 24000 matches in SFV on console compared to much much less on PC.....The graphics are the same, yes I have the PC on max.....Online on PS4 plays much smoother too...….I prefer to play on PS4, it's 60fps, looks good and plays great.....I could careless of playing SF at 120hz or 240fps, it will not make me win more matches online or make the gameplay better.......Get a guy to play SFV at 120fps on PC against a descent console player at 60fps and lets see who wins.....

I remember when people spoke about Sticks vs pad, and guys on stick used to shame them, stick up their nose and high horse pad players, now pad players are winning EVO's and Capcom Cups consistently....I remember Mouse and Keyboard guys still scoff at controller players, but I remember some of the best times in COD, the entry level initiation shooting range and the mile high were all pad players.....Then I remembered Bayonetta and though I agree it was a bad port on PS3 and worse framerate over the 360 version, some of the highest scores/combos came from PS3 players, they said XBOX controller was superior for FPS yet PS3 guys posted highest shootout scores in Modern Warfare...

People always come out with something to say you are having a bad experience, but no.....I push "F" to show respect just like you do on PC, the experience is the same...…..People scoffing their noses and saying "30fps ffftt" are the same guys begging for 10 year old ports from consoles, when console gamers have experienced that and are ready for new experiences and moved on...….60fps did not make the game, the experience made the game....You playing GTS at 1000fps in 2021 is besides the point, console players are now on many new experiences and evolving....

 

[VFXVeteran]

Why? consoles should be compared to consoles.....Closed box to Closed box, it will be a new generation for consoles not PC.

Because you are convinced that an exclusive looks better than a PC game. Your words not mine. If you are OK with comparing UC4 or GOW to Modern Warfare PC, then why not compare when the same game is on both platforms?

 

[thelastword]

Because you are convinced that an exclusive looks better than a PC game. Your words not mine. If you are OK with comparing UC4 or GOW to Modern Warfare PC, then why not compare when the same game is on both platforms?

Because Hunting Grounds is not a SWWS game, it's only published by Sony......Besides, it will be the same game on PC vs PS4, higher resolution and framerate on PC of course...….If you want to do some PC comparisons, perhaps you should do multiplat comparisons 4k PC vs 4K PS5 when the new consoles launch...…I'm sure you would like to do 4k 2080ti vs 1080p PS4 to show how next gen Predator will be on PC... ......but even there, these are just pipe dreams...

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Because you are convinced that an exclusive looks better than a PC game. Your words not mine. If you are OK with comparing UC4 or GOW to Modern Warfare PC, then why not compare when the same game is on both platforms?

Many console exclusives do look better than PC games.

Also...
PS5 exclusives will best anything on PC for at least a few years.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I'd rather game on a 12 year old PC than a PS5 any day.
PC games are just too good.

Yikes

 

[VFXVeteran]

Because Hunting Grounds is not a SWWS game, it's only published by Sony......Besides, it will be the same game on PC vs PS4, higher resolution and framerate on PC of course...….If you want to do some PC comparisons, perhaps you should do multiplat comparisons 4k PC vs 4K PS5 when the new consoles launch...…I'm sure you would like to do 4k 2080ti vs 1080p PS4 to show how next gen Predator will be on PC... ......but even there, these are just pipe dreams...

I mean.. so now it has to be a SWWS game in order to be a fair comparison? OK.. How about Godfall? Is that an exclusive or it's not because it's coming out on PC too? Do we have to wait for PS5 1st party games to be released on PC before we can get that apples to apples comparison?

 

[VFXVeteran]

Many console exclusives do look better than PC games.

Also...
PS5 exclusives will best anything on PC for at least a few years.

What if those PS5 exclusives also come out on PC? Would your sentence still be valid?

 

[HermitSperg691]

Many console exclusives do look better than PC games.

Also...
PS5 exclusives will best anything on PC for at least a few years.

No they don't and no they won't.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

What if those PS5 exclusives also come out on PC? Would your sentence still be valid?

No indication that they would come to PC.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

No they don't and no they won't.

Yes they have and will continue to do so.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Yes they have and will continue to do so.

Can you provide some examples of what looks better than what pc has to offer? Just out of curiosity, cause I must have missed some major releases this past gen.

 

[Deanington]

Outside of the graphics talk. Can we also recognize the excitement of actually building a pc and everything associated with it? There is nothing better than being able to customize, pick parts, and be excited for those parts to show up for a new build. For me its like Christmas. On top of that I fell hard into the keyboard hobby of learning, buying, and building high end keyboards. The customizing, case options, cap colorways, switch options ( lubing, filming ), etc is insane. Then you have audio equipment, and to top it all off putting your battle station together. If at any time you are not satisfied with any thing you can change what ever you want or upgrade. Just the whole hobby of it is exciting to me. Anyways, check out r/MechanicalKeyboards and r/battlestations if youre curious about what can be achieved.

 

[thelastword]

I mean.. so now it has to be a SWWS game in order to be a fair comparison? OK.. How about Godfall? Is that an exclusive or it's not because it's coming out on PC too? Do we have to wait for PS5 1st party games to be released on PC before we can get that apples to apples comparison?

Hey you can make any comparisons you want......If you feel comparing Predator on a 2080ti but a small dev to a PS4 is going to justify such a heftily priced GPU over a $299 console, then so be it...Even then, the improvements you will get wont justify the huge price difference between your PC and a PS4......PS4 will also have more players online too, which if it is gaming you're after and not e-dick pushing is a huge consideration...….Sometimes we lose focus on the gaming experience and focus simply on more AF and mild graphical flourishes that does nothing to how the gameworld or gameplay is perceived...

Can you provide some examples of what looks better than what pc has to offer? Just out of curiosity, cause I must have missed some major releases this past gen.

I think you know very well.....You can pretty much take any SWWS game in any genre and it will look better than games in similar genres on PC...….I see no racer looking better than GT and DC on PC, I see no action game looking better than GOW, I seen no TPS looking better than UC4/LOST LEGACY, I see no open world games looking better than Horizon Zero Dawn and Days Gone/Spiderman........I can list much more impressive tech in the launch FPS Killzone Shadowfall over the recent Modern Warfare on PC......I have yet to see an open-ended game with effects on PC like the launch game Infamous Second Son, No TPS on PC touches The Order 1886 for graphics and the majority of indies can't hold a candle to the visuals and tech of Concrete Genie, Gravity Rush etc.....


There are so many examples......Tsushima is going to set another standard and LOU is going to set the benchmark on all levels, graphics, animation and ATD. Unlike your imaginary Sony games on PC, we have seen demos of these game's graphics, we know how much they are setting the bar....Another is Dreams, setting up a rendering method I believe will shape the future of game's graphics, just look at GribbleGrunger's thread and see how impressive materials rendered in Dreams are to the real thing, the evolvement of that tech going forward is something to look out for, mark my words......The truth is, this is all happening on consoles, whilst PC guys spend thousands and boast of pushing 1.84TF games at 4k 250fps, it's consoles moving the industry forward with applied tech, with the little they have......So again, what game creator/platform produces better visuals than Dreams? Is it Roblox on PC?

 

[rsouzadk]

Yes, they look the same, they play the same...…..Chasing the framerate beacon is an endless affair.....What is stopping 120Hz guys from saying that 60fps guys are behind the times or 240Hz gamers saying 120Hz is the slow lane......Point is, framerate can always be a moving target.....What is important is the experience......The main game.....It has been shown that 30fps is quite playable and can give a great gaming and visual experience in motion......It also allows devs to push the envelope in graphics and other simulations had they gone for higher framerates...…..

PC vs Consoles on these multiplats...the differences are minimal in the visual makeup, it's negligible......As for the framerate, it is something you adjust to, just like you can adjust to controllers.....If you play Witcher at 30fps on consoles you will be ok.....You play on PC, you will be fine......You will remember the same encounters, the same scenes and your description of the visual makeup and gameplay experience will be the same...…..

The thing about consoles is that one PC is not running at 15fps and the other at 120fps...Some guy is not maxing everything on ultra at 5fps just to say his PC can do this either.....ON consoles the game must be playable as opposed to setting up a screenshot gallery for wallpapers....On console, when you play your 30fps or 60fps game online, you know that everybody has the same hardware, same framerate...…..So everybody has a smooth experience and are on an even playing field….


BFV, COD, looks the same, plays the same......When I watch 4K COD I don't see the same game visually, and actually it's not pretty clear if tech guys have to zoom to show you....


People have been trying to make Star Citizen into some visual spectacle or at a time, some even suggested a gameplay spectacle; A huge world, multiple modules bla bla bla…...They only hyped it since the long drought since Crysis and people were were constantly speaking up the graphics on low TF consoles, So they propped SC to compare…...Yet Star Citizen is probably one of the biggest hoaxes in all of gaming......Shoddy and inconsistent graphics, abysmal and stiff animations, lots of greys and inconsistent/incoherent art......Star Citizen looks like a tech demo developed by the guys in the game college ad, who said "tighten the graphics on level 3"...…...You can see the lack of visual engineering in that game, they throw tech at it, but it looks very janky.....BTW when is the game coming out? When I said PC should get some exclusives, there is a reason I didn't mention SC, how long has it been 10 years? Crysis, Farcry, F.E.A.R, they all came out and were games that offered story gameplay and an experience you could follow......Star Citizen is some hoax factory under the guise of a game, trying to sell polygonal ships for more money some people will make in their lifetime...….

"BFV.. looks the same, plays the same"...

Ok... lol.

 

[Shangounchained]

"BFV.. looks the same, plays the same"...

Ok... lol.

Bfv looks better infact alot of games look better than star citizen and not even mentioning playstation exclusives.

 

[Lanrutcon]

Hey you can make any comparisons you want......If you feel comparing Predator on a 2080ti but a small dev to a PS4 is going to justify such a heftily priced GPU over a $299 console, then so be it...Even then, the improvements you will get wont justify the huge price difference between your PC and a PS4......PS4 will also have more players online too, which if it is gaming you're after and not e-dick pushing is a huge consideration...….Sometimes we lose focus on the gaming experience and focus simply on more AF and mild graphical flourishes that does nothing to how the gameworld or gameplay is perceived...


I think you know very well.....You can pretty much take any SWWS game in any genre and it will look better than games in similar genres on PC...….I see no racer looking better than GT and DC on PC, I see no action game looking better than GOW, I seen no TPS looking better than UC4/LOST LEGACY, I see no open world games looking better than Horizon Zero Dawn and Days Gone/Spiderman........I can list much more impressive tech in the launch FPS Killzone Shadowfall over the recent Modern Warfare on PC......I have yet to see an open-ended game with effects on PC like the launch game Infamous Second Son, No TPS on PC touches The Order 1886 for graphics and the majority of indies can't hold a candle to the visuals and tech of Concrete Genie, Gravity Rush etc.....


There are so many examples......Tsushima is going to set another standard and LOU is going to set the benchmark on all levels, graphics, animation and ATD. Unlike your imaginary Sony games on PC, we have seen demos of these game's graphics, we know how much they are setting the bar....Another is Dreams, setting up a rendering method I believe will shape the future of game's graphics, just look at GribbleGrunger's thread and see how impressive materials rendered in Dreams are to the real thing, the evolvement of that tech going forward is something to look out for, mark my words......The truth is, this is all happening on consoles, whilst PC guys spend thousands and boast of pushing 1.84TF games at 4k 250fps, it's consoles moving the industry forward with applied tech, with the little they have......So again, what game creator/platform produces better visuals than Dreams? Is it Roblox on PC?

You are an absolute master at pulling stuff out of your ass by the truckload. I desperately want to know if you're in marketing, or a mental institution.

 

[Damien Crowley]

The peasantry is strong in this thread...

(Says me, with my 1190 i7 and a lousy 980Ti... and my PS4... )

 

[Whitecrow]

Gaming dedicated machines will play the games better than a multipurpose machines at the same specs, just like GPUs at 1 GHz outperforms CPUs at 3 GHz at math operations, because GPUs are math machines.

You can easily expect a 12 TFLOP next gen console to show something never seen on PC to date. I'm pretty sure of it.

 

[Kenpachii]

Gaming dedicated machines will play the games better than a multipurpose machines at the same specs, just like GPUs at 1 GHz outperforms CPUs at 3 GHz at math operations, because GPUs are math machines.

You can easily expect a 12 TFLOP next gen console to show something never seen on PC to date. I'm pretty sure of it.

Consoles are also multipurpose machines mate.

And if they aim for 4k i feel sorry for anybody having to develop for those machines. 4k on a 5700xt tier gpu is laughable at best. Specially if you add raytracing towards it.

 

[MasterDerico]

I think this kind of thread, and videogames wars in general, a waste of time.

Personal entertainment is not debatable.

No offense to OP, just voiced my opinion.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Hey you can make any comparisons you want......If you feel comparing Predator on a 2080ti but a small dev to a PS4 is going to justify such a heftily priced GPU over a $299 console, then so be it...Even then, the improvements you will get wont justify the huge price difference between your PC and a PS4......PS4 will also have more players online too, which if it is gaming you're after and not e-dick pushing is a huge consideration...….Sometimes we lose focus on the gaming experience and focus simply on more AF and mild graphical flourishes that does nothing to how the gameworld or gameplay is perceived...


I think you know very well.....You can pretty much take any SWWS game in any genre and it will look better than games in similar genres on PC...….I see no racer looking better than GT and DC on PC, I see no action game looking better than GOW, I seen no TPS looking better than UC4/LOST LEGACY, I see no open world games looking better than Horizon Zero Dawn and Days Gone/Spiderman........I can list much more impressive tech in the launch FPS Killzone Shadowfall over the recent Modern Warfare on PC......I have yet to see an open-ended game with effects on PC like the launch game Infamous Second Son, No TPS on PC touches The Order 1886 for graphics and the majority of indies can't hold a candle to the visuals and tech of Concrete Genie, Gravity Rush etc.....


There are so many examples......Tsushima is going to set another standard and LOU is going to set the benchmark on all levels, graphics, animation and ATD. Unlike your imaginary Sony games on PC, we have seen demos of these game's graphics, we know how much they are setting the bar....Another is Dreams, setting up a rendering method I believe will shape the future of game's graphics, just look at GribbleGrunger's thread and see how impressive materials rendered in Dreams are to the real thing, the evolvement of that tech going forward is something to look out for, mark my words......The truth is, this is all happening on consoles, whilst PC guys spend thousands and boast of pushing 1.84TF games at 4k 250fps, it's consoles moving the industry forward with applied tech, with the little they have......So again, what game creator/platform produces better visuals than Dreams? Is it Roblox on PC?

I'm quite sure there is nothing that will change your mind. Sony has you by the balls, and your enjoying it. Let's just say this, you are quite delusional to believe that ps4 has anything that can remotely hold a candle to even the multiplatform games on pc. I can use old games like Crysis 1 or even GTA5 + mods, that absolutely defecate on consoles. Metro Exodus, Control, Forza, and several other games put: low-medium settings, less than 30fps, missing raytracing, low quality assets and textures, abysmal load times that occur only on console, to shame.

I'm also guessing that you are so stuck in your fanboy ways, that you refuse to even watch pc gameplay. Cause there can't be someone, so blind or delusional, that they can think a week ass console can touch even a medium spec'd pc.

Gaming dedicated machines will play the games better than a multipurpose machines at the same specs, just like GPUs at 1 GHz outperforms CPUs at 3 GHz at math operations, because GPUs are math machines.

You can easily expect a 12 TFLOP next gen console to show something never seen on PC to date. I'm pretty sure of it.

My 16TF GPU says hiiii. See, consoles are outdated with old tech before they even release, and you still gotta wait almost a year! Pc's have much faster CPU, GPU, Ram, SSD, bandwidth, cache, etc. Both of you should do basic research before y'all spew b.s. out of the mouth. Also the claimed 12TF is on Xbox, not your beloved Sony box (supposedly 9TF). So it'll be PC > Xbox S-X > > > Ps5 in performance. Big Navi hasn't released yet, nor did RTX 3000 series, which will only push the performance gap even higher above consoles.

 

[Whitecrow]

I'm quite sure there is nothing that will change your mind. Sony has you by the balls, and your enjoying it. Let's just say this, you are quite delusional to believe that ps4 has anything that can remotely hold a candle to even the multiplatform games on pc. I can use old games like Crysis 1 or even GTA5 + mods, that absolutely defecate on consoles. Metro Exodus, Control, Forza, and several other games put: low-medium settings, less than 30fps, missing raytracing, low quality assets and textures, abysmal load times that occur only on console, to shame.

I'm also guessing that you are so stuck in your fanboy ways, that you refuse to even watch pc gameplay. Cause there can't be someone, so blind or delusional, that they can think a week ass console can touch even a medium spec'd pc.

My 16TF GPU says hiiii. See, consoles are outdated with old tech before they even release, and you still gotta wait almost a year! Pc's have much faster CPU, GPU, Ram, SSD, bandwidth, cache, etc. Both of you should do basic research before y'all spew b.s. out of the mouth. Also the claimed 12TF is on Xbox, not your beloved Sony box (supposedly 9TF). So it'll be PC > Xbox S-X > > > Ps5 in performance. Big Navi hasn't released yet, nor did RTX 3000 series, which will only push the performance gap even higher above consoles.

And maybe you should read carefully before saying to others that they are 'spewing bs'.
But anyways, you behave like someone who just spent 2000$ in a PC just to be able to make posts like that one. Good for you.

Consoles are also multipurpose machines mate.

And if they aim for 4k i feel sorry for anybody having to develop for those machines. 4k on a 5700xt tier gpu is laughable at best. Specially if you add raytracing towards it.

Technically they are, but I hope we can agree in that consoles are obviously a lot more gaming-oriented than PCs, and closed boxes with very well-known hardware and with even customized hardware not present in PCs to offer more and beter features, and make them last as long as they can, and that consoles benefits form it.

 

[DoctaThompson]

And maybe you should read carefully before saying to others that they are 'spewing bs'.
But anyways, you behave like someone who just spent 2000$ in a PC just to be able to make posts like that one. Good for you.


Technically they are, but I hope we can agree in that consoles are obviously a lot more gaming-oriented than PCs, and closed boxes with very well-known hardware and with even customized hardware not present in PCs to offer more and beter features, and make them last as long as they can, and that consoles benefits form it.

I mentioned spewing b.s. because that's what it is. You literally stated a number without looking up what pc's have to offer. And the other guy hasn't seen any pc content ever based on his post. I don't mind hearing games look good on console, but it's offensive when ppl say it's better than a whole platform, when it's clearly not, or making outrageous claims that can be easily disputed.

 

[Lanrutcon]

customized hardware not present in PCs to offer more and beter features

If you're going to reach that deeply into your ass, you might as well brush your teeth while you're there.

 

[diffusionx]

I think you know very well.....You can pretty much take any SWWS game in any genre and it will look better than games in similar genres on PC...….I see no racer looking better than GT and DC on PC, I see no action game looking better than GOW, I seen no TPS looking better than UC4/LOST LEGACY, I see no open world games looking better than Horizon Zero Dawn and Days Gone/Spiderman........I can list much more impressive tech in the launch FPS Killzone Shadowfall over the recent Modern Warfare on PC......I have yet to see an open-ended game with effects on PC like the launch game Infamous Second Son, No TPS on PC touches The Order 1886 for graphics and the majority of indies can't hold a candle to the visuals and tech of Concrete Genie, Gravity Rush etc.....

God of War is a pretty game, not as pretty as I thought it would be, but I can see where the corners are cut, and I'm playing it on a PS4 Pro. For my money, one game that absolutely blew me away graphically was Shadow of the Tomb Raider at near-max (non-RTX) when I played it. It looks better than anything I've played on PS4 or Xbox. I was actually surprised at how amazing that game looks. There is a DF video that also goes into detail on what the PC version offers over the still-attractive console games, watch it and weep at what we are missing by not getting GOW or HZD on PC.

This whole "PS4 games look better than high-end PC games" thing is really strange. It's just not true, as nice as a lot of Sony games look.

 

[Whitecrow]

Hahahaha PC defense force at full power I see. What a laugh of a thread.

 

[DoctaThompson]

God of War is a pretty game, not as pretty as I thought it would be, but I can see where the corners are cut, and I'm playing it on a PS4 Pro. For my money, one game that absolutely blew me away graphically was Shadow of the Tomb Raider at near-max (non-RTX) when I played it. It looks better than anything I've played on PS4 or Xbox. I was actually surprised at how amazing that game looks. There is a DF video that also goes into detail on what the PC version offers over the still-attractive console games, watch it and weep at what we are missing by not getting GOW or HZD on PC.

This whole "PS4 games look better than high-end PC games" thing is really strange. It's just not true, as nice as a lot of Sony games look.

I've been playing shadow of the tomb raider with rtx and maaaan, does it look amazing! Especially if you turn on all the extra features like HBAO+, enhanced tessellation, dynamic foliage, Hairworks etc.

I used to think RTX was a joke, but I wanted to upgrade from the 1080 ti to the 2080 ti. When I enabled rtx on control, metro Exodus, shadow of the tomb raider, etc... I was absolutely floored how well devs are implementing it. The immersion is so realistic! It's only a few out of the bunch like the Sony Defense Squad, Whitecrow and S Shangounchained that want others to believe that ps4/ps5 have games that no one else can even dream of. Too bad the jokes are on them. I'll be over here enjoying pc games, Xbox games, and even PlayStation games, in the highest Fidelity, Max settings, on my PC.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Hahahaha PC defense force at full power I see. What a laugh of a thread.

Most people are only trying to correct inaccuracies as far as I've seen. I for one just want everyone to get along.

Truth is, if we all let down our walls for a bit we could all learn something about tech and our hobby. PC has many features that aren't seen on current gen consoles and learning about them should make you even more excited for next gen consoles if consoles and graphics are your thing because we will be seeing a lot more of those features implemented to some degree on them. When I was console only because I didn't have the money/time to learn how to build a PC, I took PC as a roadmap of sorts of what was coming in future gens. I always admired the things that PC could pull off. Never felt the need to downplay the fact that everything could look/perform better there if you spent enough and had the brains to put it all together because... well it's just illogical. lol. Everyone has their place on the scale of contentment when it comes to playing the games they love. I see no need to peck at anyone who is just having fun doing that, on whatever they want. Like I said, the only issue is when people outright lie, on any side. This isn't helping anyone to enjoy our beloved hobby and to grow as a community.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Can you provide some examples of what looks better than what pc has to offer? Just out of curiosity, cause I must have missed some major releases this past gen.

Look at which games won the most best visuals awards each generation. (hint hint it's not PC)
PS4's GOW ,Horizon ZD,Spiderman and The Order to name a few.
If you missed these I suggest some new lenses.

But but Horizon is coming to the PC!

 

[DoctaThompson]

Look at which games won the most best visuals awards each generation. (hint hint it's not PC)
PS4's GOW ,Horizon ZD,Spiderman and The Order to name a few.
If you missed these I suggest some new lenses.

But but Horizon is coming to the PC!

Best visual awards, hosted by who again? Just a simple Google/YouTube search seems to go against your claims. As the majority of the games are from pc's. Even searching for "best graphics of 2019" will leave you disappointed.


Almost everyone in here is telling you that PC > ps4/5. You can keep believing what YOU want to, but the facts are there. Take it or leave it.